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970 at WWDC?

I think powermac sales have been and are on the decline. This exactly why apple needs a new chip as the 970. The g4 was left to stagnate and is no longer competing with the intels. we all know this and apple knows this. iam still looking for a summer release of this new machine. As far as ppc98 goes i think this is a reference that the 970 is able to run all the 32 bit stuff from when the ppc made its appearence sort of speak. wasnt that about 1998? Also the fact that they cranked it up to 2.5 is a great sign that this chip is allready scaling up, something motorola never figured out. I said it before that with the performance this thing will have apple wont need a duallie. The duallies were simply trying to make up for motorolas lack of progress. This may even help powermac sales because people may opt to wait for this chip rather then go wintel.The future is looking brighter!
 
64W - a lot compared to the G4, but not so bad when compared against top of the line Athlons and P4s, both of which are available in dual processor variants, which can reach 70W+ per processor.

You just need a suitable heatsink and fan, and a good mounting mechanism.

I can see 2.5GHz single processor PPC 970 machines for sure - not at release though, because Jobs will want to have room for a speed bump in January or February next year. 🙂

And workstations with dual processors as well. The extra noise of the fans will be acceptable in this situation.
 
Originally posted by jrv3034
Is it possible that "PPC 98" means that OSX for the PPC is 98% ready?

Just a thought.😱
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Or is that apple is going to use chips from 1998. LOL
 
i could believe this. weret we all saying the same thing when arn posted tomorrow there would be 17 and 12 inch powerbooks, and we all talked about how it would kill ibook and possibly 15 inch powerbooks sales. anyways, im guessing this could be true and it wont be long till we find out whats goin on. maybe a new powermac will be shown, with 10.3 being a 64 bit operating system to debut. i have a question for someone real smart. with 10.3 probably 64-bit with all the rumors, does having a 64-bit system tied in with a 64-bit processor make things faster, or does other things benefit from the processor.

iJon
 
Originally posted by BWhaler
I would love to get excited about this, but unless Apple plans on releasing new Powermacs at MWNY in the summer, this is just a bad rumor.

As previously posted, a May announcement will kill sales of current Powermacs. It's a tough chicken and egg problem for Apple though: they need 64 bit software for the launch to go well, but they can't get the word out too far in advance without hurting sales.
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Apparently Steve Jobs isn't going to be a giving a keynote address at MWNY. So I wouldn't hold your breath on anything mind blowing being announced there.

There is an article on it here:
http://www.thinksecret.com/
 
Well then, if they are going to announce the machines - when will they become available? I can't imagine them being announced without some plan to be released in few months afterwards. The sales of the G4s would plumit.

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"PPC 98 ready" I would think, would be the next family of processors following the 970. The 970 is based off the Power4; I believe that the 98x will be based of the Power5. In any event, there will be differences between the two chips.
However, why Apple would have code optimized for a processor further down the road than the 970 is odd, so perhaps I'm so totally wrong and ignorant I should be banished into a cave, not to come out until we see what "PPC 98" really is.
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It's actually misquoted, 5 year old info on IBM and Moto's original plans for the PowerPC chip.

Desktop98 was the code name for the Video and Multimedia eXtensions that was going to be incorporated in the G4. It's been refered to as VMX aswell as Altivec, PPC98 is no doubt just desktop 98.

incidentally, Desktop '99 was a future dual core design that was supposed to be ready late 2002.

I quoted quite a lot from the old article in Macworld I got this info from in this message last year.

It's good that 2.5Ghz is possible even if the heat makes it a bit of a bad idea in a dual config.
 
Originally posted by dukestreet
Well then, if they are going to announce the machines - when will they become available? I can't imagine them being announced without some plan to be released in few months afterwards. The sales of the G4s would plumit.

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Or they could just tell us that they would be released in a few weeks, start taking orders, and then not actually ship them for several more months.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the new motherboards macwhispers posted about.
 
Originally posted by iSmell
Or they could just tell us that they would be released in a few weeks, start taking orders, and then not actually ship them for several more months.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the new motherboards macwhispers posted about.
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Oh, I'm sure it does. If this is all true. But we're looking at 2 months till WWDC, and then maybe July for the first 970s to be on the shelf. Even though Apple's not going to be at MWNY, it would be nice to see them out before then.

D
 
Re: Re: What's the word

Originally posted by scem0
Am I the only one who thinks that March is a bit too soon. Well,
the sooner the better, but I was expecting an update to occur
closer to the end of the year (maybe something before xmas).

I hope MacBoidille is right. 😉
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Actually, WWDC is in May, not March (May 19-23: http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/ )

BTW, I'm going to be there (with a few thousand of my closest friends), so I'd love to have a 970 machine on display in the exhibit hall ...

Past WWDC announcements: XServe (2002), which shipped at the end of the Summer IIRC. And Jaguar, same year, same lead time roughly.

WWDC debut makes sense in terms of getting developers on board so that there is a good selection of optimized software available by 970's debut, but may be a bit early for Apple to "show their hand" on something which will so change the current landscape of machines. As a result, I'm split about 50-50 on a WWDC preview (which is how I've been since the 970 news first came out last October).
 
I checked the Apple WWDC website and didn't see any mention of who was doing the keynote address. Is it always Jobs or have they just not announced it yet.

D
 
Originally posted by BWhaler
It's a tough chicken and egg problem for Apple though: they need 64 bit software for the launch to go well, but they can't get the word out too far in advance without hurting sales.
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The more likely approach would be to brief select developers (a team at Adobe, one at MS, one at Metrowerks, etc) who make software more likely to benefit from 64-bit, and higher-profile than the average joe. There just isn't a massive need for all software to be rewritten using 64 bits, and as a result Apple really doesn't need to address WWDC with this.

Of course, I'd love it if they did for my own selfish reasons ...
 
Originally posted by BWhaler
I would love to get excited about this, but unless Apple plans on releasing new Powermacs at MWNY in the summer, this is just a bad rumor.
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see the front page at thinksecret.com it seems jobs won't be giving a keynote, so it doesn't look like there will be any hardware announcements.
 
Re: yeah yeah yeah

Sure, the macho guy will still want higher speeds and bigger everything, but he was never an apple customer and will not be until apple has a much larger market share. [/B]
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people really need to get over the idea that there are no practical needs for faster computers. creative proffessionals need faster computers. i make music on my dual-gig and i still have songs that it can't handle without bouncing tracks. working in Final Cut Pro and not having to render effects (without buying a Matrox card or something) would be nice.

There are tons of people who are not grandmas and who are also not insecure weenies. That's great that you think your computer is fast enough for you. But to say that anyone who wants their computer to be faster isn't a "real Mac user" or whatever is not accurate.
 
I think this is great, and proves credibility to the company, they might even come out and say when the 970's will come out, I am hoping MWNY, but I am not sure, only Steve knows I guess, but this is a must needed shot in the arm for Apple.
 
If speed matters why does the 5% of the market that make up 80% of the markets money mainly consit of processors ranging from 500 to 1300 megahertz O🙂

Speed only matters to little overclocker boys and packet monkeys :S

I too heard this rumors from some people which I consider reliable, but they said between WWDC and MWNY I could expect a confirmation of the PPC970, but nothing was concrete right now *WINK WINK*

They wouldn't even look at me when I asked if apple did go ppc970 if they would call it the G5 :S
 
Single processor

Seeing as a single proc 2.5 GHz 970 would be hot , I don't see them putting 2 in one machine. However, they're so damn fast that it won't matter. I suppose the real question will be if they would use a single proc. 2.5 or just want until the 2.5 is on a .09 process?

It might be that a 2.0 970 could do a dual processor config. without pulling too much power. Then again, nothing we're talking about is apparently worse than the P4 systems. Sheesh... that's astonishing. How much does it cost, in electricity, to keep a room full of P4's running?!
 
One person replied earlier, "What if the 'Year of the laptop' was really a bluff, insinuating that the 970 may be released before the end of the year. Reading that made me think that maybe the reason this year is the year of the laptop is because Jobs and Apple have already resigned themselves to the fact that when they confirm the 970, powermac sales are going to be next to nothing until they release the new chip. That would make sense then why this year is for laptops. They are focusing on laptops this year because releasing the 970 is going to kill powermac sales until it comes out. In my mind, this allows the possibility for the 970 being prototype at WWDC because they have already decided that this year is for laptops and next year is going to be the year for powermacs.🙂 🙂 🙂

MacAndy
 
Release dates and performance

Originally posted by arn
Here's an encore wrapup of rumors on the PPC970.


- Peter Sandon, father of the PPC 970 at IBM, will present his chip at the WWDC.

- Certain members of ADC Select will be able to see a demonstration of a PPC 970 prototype Mac.

- APPLE is finalizing the development tools to optimize the code for the 970 chip. It is already "PPC 98" Ready

- There is also an advance (pre) beta version of a 64 bit Panther.

And to finish, the news about IBM.

- Even though they said that the PPC 970 would not reach the 2.5 Ghz at 0.13 Microns, it in fact will. They have so many already, that the 970 is available in significant volume.

- the 2.5 Ghz processor at 0.13 Microns has a problem though. It consumes 64 Watts and dissipates too much heat. But it isn't worse than a Pentium IV or an Athlon. It would be a true challenge, however, to propose a machine with 2 processors for a total of 128 W!
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This does fall in line with the motherboard rumors, since they would have prototypes to show. If they show the computers in May, and we think the motherboards will be produced, in mass, by June/July... I think we will see these machines announced at MWNY or close after. At latest, Sept. Quite honestly, I think they will show them at MWNY. This is big. Far bigger than laptop updates or software. I'm not saying these things aren't greatly important, but they're not in the same league as a 2.5 GHZ 970, which should be like having a 3.5 GHz G4.

Folks, we could be on par with wintel performance by this July. If nothing else, we will be very close. I have everything else that makes my Mac superior to wintel, now let's get the last piece of the puzzle!
 
Originally posted by jrv3034
Is it possible that "PPC 98" means that OSX for the PPC is 98% ready?

Just a thought.😱
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Huh, I thought that OSX was actually 100% ready for PPC. At least it seems to run 100% right most of the time on G3 and G4's which are PPC's.

Okay I am being a little sarcastic...but you get the point.
 
Re: Re: We need speed

Originally posted by maxterpiece
So the "PPC 970s" will come every few years, and maybe they will shake up Apples market share for a year, but they are always going to come, and are not going to change apple's fortunes in the long run.
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Ye have little faith. I feel sorry for you if your outlook for Apple is that bleak.
 
Hmm ...

So a Realease for MWNY03 seems very good or ??

Steve could show the nearly final version of 10.3 (same last year with 10.2)

An will say they ship the OS and G5(PPC970) in August/September !!


What do you think ?
 
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