iPhone A call recorder working with 3GS?

Cubytus

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Hello there,

I am looking for a call recorder application that would work with the 3GS, both for incoming, outgoing, and any VoIP call. Harder than it seems.

Advice?
 

darricksailo

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Hello there,

I am looking for a call recorder application that would work with the 3GS, both for incoming, outgoing, and any VoIP call. Harder than it seems.

Advice?
There isn't any. I think the lowest supported for any tweak is the 4S
 

darricksailo

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Experience or speculation? How come the inferior Nokia N8 had such applications available?
probably because nokia released it? and there is a possibility there was dedicated hardware just for recording

i would imagine it's a lot easier to add features when you have the source code to the operating system the phone is running on. Supposedly, the devices before the 4S have a hardware limitation; even the 4S has a hardware limitation that you can't record the audio unless you're on speakerphone
 

Cubytus

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probably because nokia released it? and there is a possibility there was dedicated hardware just for recording

i would imagine it's a lot easier to add features when you have the source code to the operating system the phone is running on. Supposedly, the devices before the 4S have a hardware limitation; even the 4S has a hardware limitation that you can't record the audio unless you're on speakerphone
In fact this is a third-party application, even on the Nokia, which was released around the same time the 3G (not even the S!) was. Since both Nokia and iPhone are bound by the same technical limitations, at least I expected the software to be every bit on par, or superior than Nokia's, especially jailbroken as hackers don't follow Apple's often artificial limitations.

2) Perhaps an iDevice that was launched more than 4 years ago is just not meeting your expectations
Indeed, I can't say it meets every of my expectations. But newer ones are too expensive, or best said, I'm not into paying $500 for an inferior 4S than the one that was sold when it was the most recent one, just for the sake of getting one or two additional functions.
 

Menneisyys2

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Indeed, I can't say it meets every of my expectations. But newer ones are too expensive, or best said, I'm not into paying $500 for an inferior 4S than the one that was sold when it was the most recent one, just for the sake of getting one or two additional functions.
While IMHO the best would be going the iPhone 5 / 5s way(*), if the cost is prohibitive: why don't you get a separate, Symbian-based Nokia for phoning purposes? They're extremely good at it - in many respects, definitely superior to Apple (antenna tech, replaceable batteries in most models etc.), particularly WRT older Apple phones. (The iPhone5 doesn't have worse antenna support than Nokia's models any more.) And they can be purchased for really cheap.

*: before the JB and Audio (was: Call) Recorder for the iPhone5, I had also been a Nokia user exactly because of call recording. Now that my iPhone 5 records calls w/o problems, I don't use a separate Nokia 808 for phoning any more. This is why I stated if you go for at least an iPhone 5 and, of course, JB, you won't need to get a separate Symbian phone for call recording.
 

Cubytus

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So get a Nokia then. Don't stick with expensive and inferior iPhones.
Problem solved.
You mean sticking with an inferior Nokia and somewhat acceptably-priced and still superior older iPhone?

While IMHO the best would be going the iPhone 5 / 5s way(*), if the cost is prohibitive: why don't you get a separate, Symbian-based Nokia for phoning purposes? They're extremely good at it - in many respects, definitely superior to Apple (antenna tech, replaceable batteries in most models etc.), particularly WRT older Apple phones. (The iPhone5 doesn't have worse antenna support than Nokia's models any more.) And they can be purchased for really cheap.

*: before the JB and Audio (was: Call) Recorder for the iPhone5, I had also been a Nokia user exactly because of call recording. Now that my iPhone 5 records calls w/o problems, I don't use a separate Nokia 808 for phoning any more. This is why I stated if you go for at least an iPhone 5 and, of course, JB, you won't need to get a separate Symbian phone for call recording.
Well unless one makes $40 an hour, an iPhone 5(S, or C) cost is actually prohibitive.

This Nokia N8 doesn't have a replaceable battery, always beeps on recording calls (that can be disabled by hacking Symbian, but still a hassle), and doesn't have the Fongo client, among others (a working car2go application). Plus, it's very sluggish and buggy, and can drain the battery or just crash for no apparent reason. And I doubt it would have nearly enough CPU power to run a VoIP client, regular phone, and record everything. If I'm using it, it will be for its music player-over-FM capability, since the FM transmitter I used with the iPhone broke.
 

Menneisyys2

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You mean sticking with an inferior Nokia and somewhat acceptably-priced and still superior older iPhone?
Some Nokia models are no way inferior to even the 5s when it comes to certain functionality:
- call recording (unless you JB the 5s, obviously)
- camera (1020, 808 produce way better still images under good lighting or, with the 1020, when OIS is needed)

This Nokia N8 doesn't have a replaceable battery, always beeps on recording calls (that can be disabled by hacking Symbian, but still a hassle), and doesn't have the Fongo client, among others (a working car2go application). Plus, it's very sluggish and buggy, and can drain the battery or just crash for no apparent reason. And I doubt it would have nearly enough CPU power to run a VoIP client, regular phone, and record everything. If I'm using it, it will be for its music player-over-FM capability, since the FM transmitter I used with the iPhone broke.
This is why I explained that Symbian phones need to be used as simple phones, nothing else. I didn't bother with trying to browse the net / make Skype calls on my top-of-the-line 808 either before Call Recorder's arrival to the iPhone (4S /) 5 last March. It was just a phone with an excellent camera. For everything else (Web, Skype, mails, gaming, even mapping etc.), I've always had my iPhone 5 around.

Nevertheless,

- it's fairly easy to quickly (!) change the battery in the N8 - in about 20 seconds. See for example http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/12225_A_hands-on_replacement_of_the_.php

- if you do hack Symbian (which is really-really easy with the N8 - just install the Delight firmware and you're ready) and purchase, say, Boldbeast Nokia Call Recorder, everything will be fine. I've purchased the basic ed of it last August for $15 for my N8 and it worked just fine. Absolutely no beeps. (I haven't tested other call recorders on the N8. Back in 2007, for my N95, I've purchased another one.)

I loved my N8 too; too bad it broke down and couldn't be repaired. Fortunately, I could get it exchanged for an iPad Mini Retina at the original price I paid for it ($190) with the seller of the N8 - of course, I needed to pay the difference.
 

dhlizard

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Well unless one makes $40 an hour, an iPhone 5(S, or C) cost is actually prohibitive.
:eek:

Hummm...

I buy 2 new phones every 12 months (one for me, one for the wife).

I don't make $40 an hour (not even close since I am retired)

I would imagine the correct response would be "It's all about your priorities". :)
 

Cubytus

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Some Nokia models are no way inferior to even the 5s when it comes to certain functionality:
- call recording (unless you JB the 5s, obviously)
- camera (1020, 808 produce way better still images under good lighting or, with the 1020, when OIS is needed)
Granted, the N8 camera is quite superior to the 3GS one... When you can actually make it work since it doesn't reliably start the application.

This is why I explained that Symbian phones need to be used as simple phones, nothing else. I didn't bother with trying to browse the net / make Skype calls on my top-of-the-line 808 either before Call Recorder's arrival to the iPhone (4S /) 5 last March. It was just a phone with an excellent camera. For everything else (Web, Skype, mails, gaming, even mapping etc.), I've always had my iPhone 5 around.
Fongo and Internet tethering through Bluetooth (or wifi if available) is my definition of simple smartphone. There's no graphics or CPU-heavy games or application in there.
Nevertheless,

- it's fairly easy to quickly (!) change the battery in the N8 - in about 20 seconds. See for example http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/12225_A_hands-on_replacement_of_the_.php

- if you do hack Symbian (which is really-really easy with the N8 - just install the Delight firmware and you're ready) and purchase, say, Boldbeast Nokia Call Recorder, everything will be fine. I've purchased the basic ed of it last August for $15 for my N8 and it worked just fine. Absolutely no beeps. (I haven't tested other call recorders on the N8. Back in 2007, for my N95, I've purchased another one.)

I loved my N8 too; too bad it broke down and couldn't be repaired. Fortunately, I could get it exchanged for an iPad Mini Retina at the original price I paid for it ($190) with the seller of the N8 - of course, I needed to pay the difference.
Never said it would be impossible. Just as the iPhone, it's not impossible to change the battery, merely unsupported.

Besides, I did try to hack it, but never succeeded. Apparently the manipulation is very complicated and absolutely requires a hardware Windows computer (a limitation in itself). So I ended up updating it to the last firmware by cheating on the product code since mine was never officially approved to run it. When people complain about Android's market fragmentation, I can't help but think they should have a look at Nokia.

Honestly I never really loved my N8. It was slow and sluggish from the start, has horrible touch-sensitivity (Got it as a replacement with Nokia Philippines-based support for a failed E7 I paid big bucks for) that prevented me to use it to any great extent for sending SMS, very few apps, no support for WPA2 Enterprise wi-fi connections, paid apps are outrageously expensive, doesn't take standard mic-earphones combos, and battery life is impossible to predict: one day it can last a fair 8 hours, the next one, 2 hours. Even for the very simple task of showing me the right bicycle path in summer, it was very tedious just typing a simple address. And of course, Mac connectivity was basically nil.

And I used trial's version of Boldbeast recorder as it said it would be possible to turn beeping off, which was untrue. Getting a beep every 10 seconds and have the other party hear it is not my definition of a properly-working call recorder. Had to pretend the battery was dying.

Nokia with Symbian: good concept, hopeless execution. There must be a reason why its market share plummeted.

:eek:

Hummm...

I buy 2 new phones every 12 months (one for me, one for the wife).

I don't make $40 an hour (not even close since I am retired)

I would imagine the correct response would be "It's all about your priorities". :)
True, it's not mine to live above my means by spending $800 every year just for a phone. Quite untypical for a North-American, I know.

But that still doesn't really tell why no call recorder would be available on the 3GS. I admit that it may be difficult to run a VoIP client + call recorder at the same time, but standard GSM + call recorder? Nokia did it.
 
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Menneisyys2

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And I used trial's version of Boldbeast recorder as it said it would be possible to turn beeping off, which was untrue. Getting a beep every 10 seconds and have the other party hear it is not my definition of a properly-working call recorder.
You may have not had a properly hacked OS version. With proper hacking, I have absolutely no beeps with the commercial ($15) version of Boldbeast recorder.

But that still doesn't really tell why no call recorder would be available on the 3GS. I admit that it may be difficult to run a VoIP client + call recorder at the same time, but standard GSM + call recorder? Nokia did it.
Because Apple don't want to support it (prolly they're afraid of lawsuits?). On the contrary - they protected the Phone app very diligently so that noone is able to run anything else while it's running. This is why it took JB devs almost five(!) years to start offering call recording (exactly a year ago) - and only on some models (and definitely not old ones).
 

Cubytus

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You may have not had a properly hacked OS version. With proper hacking, I have absolutely no beeps with the commercial ($15) version of Boldbeast recorder.
It's likely. As I said, hacking Symbian seems much more an arcane art than doing so on iOS.

Because Apple don't want to support it (prolly they're afraid of lawsuits?). On the contrary - they protected the Phone app very diligently so that noone is able to run anything else while it's running. This is why it took JB devs almost five(!) years to start offering call recording (exactly a year ago) - and only on some models (and definitely not old ones).
And Nokia wouldn't fear them? Would there be a widespread law in North America and especially the US where phone recording on the individual part would be banned? It's not like banks and other providers didn't record anything, either.