A Closer Look at Apple's New iPod Touch Colors and Features

[fzfpff]

Then it becomes an iPhone

That would be a truly cheap iPhone.

Exactly what I said.

If you can't afford an iPhone then you shouldn't get an iPhone. This is an iPod, if they put a SIM chip in it should only be so you can get data access. But then Apple will also charge $129 more for those parts and you'll complain about that too (equaling $329 for 16gb) and that the camera is inferior to the iPhone's, it doesn't have TouchID and the processor is slower. Whine whine whine.

Why don't you just get an iPad Mini 3 LTE? It solves all your issues.

I also like how you're telling the company that sold 47.5 million iPhones this Quarter (12.2 million MORE than this time last year) how to sell more iPhones.

I own both iPhone and iPad. And I rather buy the newest model. So this is not about me. It is about how iOS loses its chance to become the No.1 mobile operating system. As a developer, I would really like that. Switching to Android is something I would rather not do but I can't ignore the statistics.

You are from the US, I always find hard time to explain that to people from the richest countries. The iPhone is just a few hundred dollars for you, but the same phone costs 2600 PLN in Poland. Compare that to 500 PLN for an Android phone. Its even worse in countries like India. People don't care that much about Siri, Touch ID, fast processor. Not if it costs the money they make in a month(or more). So yes, it is possible to sell more iPhones if you make them cheaper. Maybe with less profit, but I find market share more important than profit.

But hey, lets make it about me, be a smartass, and make a "rolleye" comment without understanding the half of my comment.

complaints about why the iPod Touch is not an iPhone

I couldn't care less about iPod Touch. But I still think it is a good base for a cheap iPhone that would truly compete with lower spec Android phones, no matter how irritating is that to people who fail to understand the issue.

 

[sracer]

I couldn't care less about iPod Touch. But I still think it is a good base for a cheap iPhone that would truly compete with lower spec Android phones, no matter how irritating is that to people who fail to understand the issue.

Nobody is failing to understand that. That sentiment is best kept for a separate thread. Lamenting over the lack of a cheap iPhone in a thread about the iPod Touch is a distraction and noise.

 

[fzfpff]

Nobody is failing to understand that. That sentiment is best kept for a separate thread. Lamenting over the lack of a cheap iPhone in a thread about the iPod Touch is a distraction and noise.

I'm afraid that it is not your call to decide what is a distraction and noise in what thread.

 

[a0me]

So yes, it is possible to sell more iPhones if you make them cheaper. Maybe with less profit, but I find market share more important than profit.

A lot of other companies also find market share more important, but Apple has never been about market share for almost 40 years now, and so far they've been doing OK.
And while iOS only has about 20% market share, it's still the platform that gets the most revenue and the leading platform for the vast majority of developers.

 

[MrXiro]

Exactly what I said.

I own both iPhone and iPad. And I rather buy the newest model. So this is not about me. It is about how iOS loses its chance to become the No.1 mobile operating system. As a developer, I would really like that. Switching to Android is something I would rather not do but I can't ignore the statistics.

You are from the US, I always find hard time to explain that to people from the richest countries. The iPhone is just a few hundred dollars for you, but the same phone costs 2600 PLN in Poland. Compare that to 500 PLN for an Android phone. Its even worse in countries like India. People don't care that much about Siri, Touch ID, fast processor. Not if it costs the money they make in a month(or more). So yes, it is possible to sell more iPhones if you make them cheaper. Maybe with less profit, but I find market share more important than profit.

But hey, lets make it about me, be a smartass, and make a "rolleye" comment without understanding the half of my comment.


I couldn't care less about iPod Touch. But I still think it is a good base for a cheap iPhone that would truly compete with lower spec Android phones, no matter how irritating is that to people who fail to understand the issue.

Apple has never wanted to compete with the lowest end of any device they have put out so why would they start now? They don't need to oversaturate the market with cheap devices because people who can pay the premium WILL pay the premium. They DON'T care about selling MORE iPhones for a lower profitability because what is marketshare if you don't have profits? They make their money on the device end and not on the back end like Google does with personal data mining and advertising.

Apple still dominates the market even with dirt cheap Android models around. As for your comparison in the US the cheapest of the latest iPhone is $650. You can buy a cheap Android phone for as low as $30-$50. The marginal difference between 2600 PLN and 500 PLN is roughly 5X... For the sake of simplicity lets say the cheapest American Android phone is $100. 5X gets you $500 which still can't buy you an iPhone here, far less than the $650 asking price. While it pretty much can cover it with PLN (2500) so your math doesn't even pan out and the cost ratio is actually in favor of your country as far as how much the cheapest iPhone vs the Cheapest Android phone is concerned.

 

[fzfpff]

Apple still dominates the market even with dirt cheap Android models around.

Maybe in the US. Apple doesn't dominate anything worldwide.

your math doesn't even pan out and the cost ratio is actually in favor of your country

You can get an Android phone for 200PLN easily, i have even seen one with 4inch screen for 100PLN. By 500PLN i mean a decent Android phone which can compete with an iPhone for mainstream users. The prices are not different in Poland. But what people earn and can afford is different, thats why the price low is far more important here than in the US.

They don't need to oversaturate the market with cheap devices because people who can pay the premium WILL pay the premium

Thats why they have only few percent of market share with OSX. I'm afraid they will end up the same way with iOS.

 

[pika2000]

While those items cost more they don't cost an additional $400 (price difference between a off contract 16gb iPhone and a 16gb iPod Touch)

They could easily have gone the iPad route and added in the SIM slot and GPS for $129 more (which is still huge markup)

What Apple is selling is not just a phone. It's the Apple brand. Actual cost of an Armani suit or Coach bag do not reflect their selling price either.

 

[pika2000]

Maybe in the US. Apple doesn't dominate anything worldwide.

You can get an Android phone for 200PLN easily, i have even seen one with 4inch screen for 100PLN. By 500PLN i mean a decent Android phone which can compete with an iPhone for mainstream users. The prices are not different in Poland. But what people earn and can afford is different, thats why the price low is far more important here than in the US.

Thats why they have only few percent of market share with OSX. I'm afraid they will end up the same way with iOS.

And yet how much money they are making? And every company are lusting to be like Apple. Apple may not "dominate" in user marketshare per se, but they have enough money to pretty much "control" the supply chain of materials and components needed for their products (eg. NAND chips). As a company, that is a much better position than somebody that is a loss leader.

 

[fzfpff]

And yet how much money they are making?

I find market share more important than profit.

 

[MrXiro]

Maybe in the US. Apple doesn't dominate anything worldwide.


You can get an Android phone for 200PLN easily, i have even seen one with 4inch screen for 100PLN. By 500PLN i mean a decent Android phone which can compete with an iPhone for mainstream users. The prices are not different in Poland. But what people earn and can afford is different, thats why the price low is far more important here than in the US.


Thats why they have only few percent of market share with OSX. I'm afraid they will end up the same way with iOS.

Untrue

http://qz.com/176643/its-official-apple-sells-more-computers-than-all-windows-pcs-combined/

They also don't need market share to be the most profitable computer company in this era of computing. You really should get your facts straight.

Apple under your direction will have market share and no profits and then it will die because it's losing money.

 

[fzfpff]

Untrue

For the link you posted:

Apple’s Mac desktops and laptops may still count for a fraction of the global market for PCs...

They are comparing all OS X and iOS devices with Windows PCs. How stupid.
You really should get your facts straight.

Apple under your direction will have market share and no profits and then it will die because it's losing money.

Because this is what happened to Google. Because same thing happened to Facebook. Oh, wait...

 

[Manatlt]

Untrue

http://qz.com/176643/its-official-apple-sells-more-computers-than-all-windows-pcs-combined/

They also don't need market share to be the most profitable computer company in this era of computing. You really should get your facts straight.

Apple under your direction will have market share and no profits and then it will die because it's losing money.

That article is BS. They combined iOS devices with macs in their count.

 

[MrXiro]

For the link you posted:

They are comparing all OS X and iOS devices with Windows PCs. How stupid.
You really should get your facts straight.

Because this is what happened to Google. Because same thing happened to Facebook. Oh, wait...

Last I checked Google NOR Facebook made and their own hardware. (rebranding OEM products for the Nexus line isn't the same thing) Nice try though. Apple is the most successful of the 3 and that's not due to YOUR advice.

 

[MrXiro]

I'm afraid that it is not your call to decide what is a distraction and noise in what thread.

It's off topic that is why it is a distraction. You're the guy who goes to the clothing store to ask if they have tires for your car.

 

[fzfpff]

Apple is the most successful of the 3 and that's not due to YOUR advice.

Nor you or the BS article that you quoted.
Btw. That depends on what "success" means to you.

You're the guy who goes to the clothing store to ask if they have tires for your car.

This is not a discussion anymore. I'm gonna stop feeding you.

 

[MrXiro]

Nor you or the BS article that you quoted.
Btw. That depends on what "success" means to you.


This is not a discussion anymore. I'm gonna stop feeding you.

You're the one one trolling an iPod article with batty notions of a bottom of the barrel iPhone. You should go troll Apple's site.

 

[dsuden]

Personally, I'm not all that concerned about what the iPod Touch is not. It's so many useful things to me!

As a self-employed, work-at-home Tracfone user who spends a pittance on cellular service, the iPod Touch is the perfect answer. It gives me mobile wi-fi, the ability to take pictures anytime, lets me listen to music and podcasts, movies, etc. read classic novels for free, ask Siri gardening questions when my wife are out in the garden, browse the web, message and e-mail with people, and yes, participate in forums. I loved the iPod 5th Gen, have sold it for a good price on ebay, and am chomping at the bit waiting for the 6th gen to arrive in the next few days. Can't wait to try out the improved camera, since the 'Touch is my go-to camera, especially for outdoor shots.