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Originally posted by Mr Jobs
Yes your 16MB wouldn't perform as good as one with a 32MB, just like a 32MB graphics card wouldn't perform as good as a 64MB, Just as your 667Mhx TiG4 wont perform as good as the 800Mhz TiG4 so what’s you point.

Let's look at what the Jaguar page says:

"32MB VRAM recommended for optimum performance."

To me, that's fair enough. Apple has to draw the line somewhere. I just wish that my VRAM were either 1) already sufficient, or 2) upgradeable. I realize my TiBook isn't as fast as an 800MHz model, and so on and so forth and that's fine. But to include 16MB of VRAM in the TiBooks was a bad idea on Apple's part, especially when it would have been so easy and cheap to include more. I feel even more sorry for the owners of the rev A TiBooks (whose Mobility Rage 128s shipped with 8MB of non-upgradableVRAM even though they supported 16MB). And of course all iBook and CRT iMac owners...

As I said, I don't want to drag Apple down. I think QE is great, and I hope as many people as possible are able to benefit from it. ... It's just that apparently Apple doesn't hope that.
I would like to see you try and purchase a Wintel Laptop as powerful as a TiBook. A 2Ghz Pentium 4 is as good as a 800Mhz G4. but did you know that the laptops don’t use the normal P4 but a mobility chip which is almost half the power then it desktop counter-part. The 800Mhz G4 would Pis* on the P4 2Ghz Mobility. Plus show me a wintel laptop which is 1” thin with built-in CDR/DVD, wireless networking, 32MB Radeon, Gigabit Ethernet, Wide-screen made using CP1 pure Titanium. Never mind all the hardware, show me a Wintel laptop which last longer then 2.5 hours even on battery saving mode, none. Not ver mobile if you laptop wont come on. Go home and do your research, before you argue with someone who is technically more advanced and knowledgeable the you.

I was comparing x86 laptops to the 550MHz TiBook, not the 800MHz model. That said, Sony and Toshiba have some very competitive offerings. This is all off-topic, of course. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, O advanced and knowledgeable one, but after all, since "what you say is," I'm wondering why I'm even bothering addressing that.
QE was only announced not released, moreover it was announced to it's developers not the public. QE still has a good 3-4 months before release. It nothing like apple released a software that doesn't work on it's hardware a week ago.

That's true. Assuming four months pass until QE is released, though, that's only four months after the top-of-the-line 16MB TiBook will have been discontinued. Not a lot of time, at least in my (and in many people's) opinions.

Who said anything about 'Steve Jobs' Apple CEO...again shows you lack of intelligence dumba**, There are millions of 'Smiths', 'Harry' and 'Jones' in this world where in the blue hell do you see the word 'Steve' in my name.

Dumb Wank**s like you should not be allowed out
Past experience has demonstrated to me that those who lob insults instead of making effort to constructively assert themselves are the ones whose arguments are weakest. I'm not sure where all the pent-up aggression is coming from, but I don't see how it's helping you - your arguments might meet less resistance if they were accompanied by openness and friendliness instead of bile and hatred. Seriously, this isn't Slashdot.

Alex
 
Mr Jobs - I'm sure that since you're more advanced and knowledgeable than I you already knew this, but you can use left bracket - quote - right bracket and left bracket - slash - quote - right bracket wrapped around others' text to quote them. Click the "quote" button instead of the "reply" button and vBulletin does the cutting and pasting for you. As I said, I'm sure you already knew this, but it might make it easier for you to type and easier for the rest of us to read.

Cheers,
Alex
 
Originally posted by Mr Jobs
Rower_CPU

"We've got new software coming out, now buy new hardware to make it perform at its best" - Rower_CPU

Well sorry that apple is a business and it’s trying to sell you a new machine so they can make some money. Lets ban all apple adverts because that what they are about, trying to sell you a new machine. Why don’t people get it through their head that apple is a business and businesses need to make money for their shareholders, it that such a crime. It wasn’t founded so it could end world hunger.

"What I've been saying for a while is that the people who have systems that meet the requirements seem to be thumbing their noses at the rest of the Mac community. So, Mr Jobs, what machine do you have? " - Rower_CPU

Cheek my profile I have a G4 450Dual with RAGE 16MB, so there goes that angle, in fact I am going to buy a new machine after 10.2 comes out too take full advantage.

“And your sig sucks.” -Rower_CPU

‘I am a calculating machine’…it other words for you simple small minded people…a calculating machine is a computer, which is what a computer does, calculate. But of course your too simple minded to have figured that out.

A hardhead, eh?

Who said Apple shouldn't make money? If they weren't profitable, they wouldn't still be in business. This move seems to be more about greed than profit. You do realise there's a difference, don't you?
Who said anything about advertising? We're discussing QE here, not a non-existent commercial.

Your machine has an AGP graphics card slot, so all you need is a new video card. My angle played out exactly as I wanted it to.

A calculating machine is also an abacus, a pocket calculator, a slide rule, etc...a calculating machine processes information and possesses no intelligence in itself...but you already knew that, right? Or did your gargantuan intellect miss that subtle fact?
 
I just noticed something...I'm in the wrong thread!

I retract everything I said. I was under the impression we were discussing "Quartz Extreme".

As I reread the thread title I see that I was mistaken, so please go on discussing "Quatz Extreame" without me. :rolleyes:
 
“Past experience has demonstrated to me that those who lob insults instead of making effort to constructively assert themselves are the ones whose arguments are weakest. I'm not sure where all the pent-up aggression is coming from, but I don't see how it's helping you - your arguments might meet less resistance if they were accompanied by openness and friendliness instead of bile and hatred. Seriously, this isn't Slashdot. “ - alex_ant

I only replying to your “ … Steve Jobs is an *******. I guess they're right!” comment otherwise I would not have gone to such extreme.

“I feel even more sorry for the owners of the rev A TiBooks (whose Mobility Rage 128s shipped with 8MB of non-upgradableVRAM even though they supported 16MB). And of course all iBook and CRT iMac owners... “ - alex_ant

and I feel sorry for those Powermac 6100 series people who have a totally upgradeable model/case but apple refuses to help them out with upgrades.

About the laptop I was trying to show you couldn’t compare a wintel to a Apple laptop…TiBooks are the most powerful available. It’s the desktops we should worry about when you compare to the wintel world.

I didn’t say ‘advanced and knowledgeable’ is said ‘technically more advanced and knowledgeable’. That is nothing to do with “bracket - quote - right bracket and left bracket - slash - quote - right bracket wrapped around others' text to quote them” I’m totally lost their. But how to you get the bold text I get some dialog box coming up if I try to use one of those styles buttons, if you help me I could make my post more easier to read for everyone else.
 
Originally posted by Mr Jobs
But how to you get the bold text I get some dialog box coming up if I try to use one of those styles buttons, if you help me I could make my post more easier to read for everyone else.

I don't mean to be rude, but is English your first language? If not, I apologize. If so, WTF!

To quote someone, simply click on the "quote" button at the bottom of the post.

If you wish to break up the quote with your comments (as you seem fond of doing) use the
tags around the text you wish to quote. To end a quote insert a "/" before the word quote.
 
Originally posted by Mr Jobs
I only replying to your “ … Steve Jobs is an *******. I guess they're right!” comment otherwise I would not have gone to such extreme.

Well, what can I say, you were an *******. "What I say IS." It's not like I took your insult personally, but mightn't it be wise to be slighty more... modest? How do you expect to get anywhere with a statement like that?
and I feel sorry for those Powermac 6100 series people who have a totally upgradeable model/case but apple refuses to help them out with upgrades.

Again, it's a question of where to draw the line. I believe there is a difference between not allowing Power Mac 6100s to run QE optimally and not allowing iceBooks, iMac DVs, and rev A and B PowerBooks which are all still shipping with less than 32MB of VRAM, save the PowerBooks, to run QE optimally. This difference is subjective, but I'm certainly not alone in my opinion. The fact remains that many of us spent lots of money on a very nice computer mere months (or weeks) ago that is not able to run QE optimally, and I do believe that a fairly pronounced distinction can be drawn between these nice new computers and very old Power Macs.
I didn’t say ‘advanced and knowledgeable’ is said ‘technically more advanced and knowledgeable’. That is nothing to do with “bracket - quote - right bracket and left bracket - slash - quote - right bracket wrapped around others' text to quote them” I’m totally lost their. But how to you get the bold text I get some dialog box coming up if I try to use one of those styles buttons, if you help me I could make my post more easier to read for everyone else.
Instead of clicking on Post Reply, click on Quote at the bottom of the post you wish to quote. The quote formatting will be inserted automatically and it shouldn't be too tough to figure out. It's like HTML... which you should know at least somewhat well, being technically more advanced and knowledgeable than I.

Alex
 
“You do realise there's a difference, don't you?
Who said anything about advertising? We're discussing QE here, not a non-existent commercial. “- Rower_CPU

I read in an article can remember where I let you know when I remember, but a ATI guy said the computing need for QE made their RAGE cards run the system slower then running Quartz in normal mode. Basically it was a technical hard ware issue.

“Your machine has an AGP graphics card slot, so all you need is a new video card. My angle played out exactly as I wanted it to.” - Rower_CPU

granted I can upgrade but I live in England ad believe me I’ve tried looking for a 32MB second hand models hoping someone will sell thir old Geforce MX believe me a lot harder then the us. I’m not even gonna thing about a new one a cheep 32MB Radeon costs £220 that more then you pay for your GeForce4 Ti.

I read about and now know how to convert a GeForce 3 or MX PC model into an Apple compatible through a firmware hack, so that’s what I’ll be doing as PC card as way cheep under £200 for Geforce3 64MB or £60 for 32MB MX…I’m not sure if everyone knows this but I might write the instructions later if people are interested in a new thread tomorrow.

“a calculating machine processes information and possesses no intelligence in itself” Rower_CPU

sorry have to disagree there that’s where AI comes in.

have to go to sleep no it’s 8.30 in the morning here had not slept yet…argue with you later today. Sorry to all offended…no hard feelings I hope, after all you are all fellow apple users.
 
This post is getting stupid

Can someone please close this post, it's really bugging me, and it's full of whingers!!!
 
YOur correct

Yes in whinger (win-jer)
Same as a whiner, must be an australian thing that only we use... well there you go you learn something everyday.
 
"I don't mean to be rude, but is English your first language? If not, I apologize. If so, WTF!" Rower_CPU

Well one of the reason being for my lack of understanding of some of you’re American format of written speech, as in you are writing the way you talk…where normally one writes in a different format to the way one talks. Is due to the fact of my lack of sleep tonight, it is now 8.43 in the morning here in London (GMT), and I cannot for the life of me take every thing in at an high level understanding right now.

But as you must have witnessed by now with my written style in this present post is…well very formal. I gathered it has answered your question as to weather my first language is English or not.

I am a British Asian…born, bread and battered

And in answer to alex_ant I is doing a degree in User Interface, and dis may come to you as a surprise but me have the belief that /b/folder and stuff like these don’t belong to this world. And I is not willing to learn dis stuff called HTML…bo-ya-kashaaaaaaa
 
Originally posted by arn


Well, it's a fine line...

Would people be happier if Apple didn't released Quartz Extreme? and just stayed with regular Quartz?

It's not like it doesn't work at all on older Macs... it just defaults to "standard" Quartz

arn
Why did they called it Quartz Extreme? It's a normal feature of every operating system,but hey,we're mac users,we have to pay 50$ for another update which enables,can you imagine,hardware accelleration for Quartz!
I'm tired of f*cked up scrolling and other stuff. Jaguar better be faaasttt or apple be damned..
 
Megaquad.... forums are just a way of comuicating ideas, there usually quiet informal, most of the people I read on here write the way they speak, I do my self. Maybe you need to loosen up a bit and relax!
 
Originally posted by Mr Jobs
alex_ant

I take it you’re on of those who I’ve labelled ‘QE-Moaners’,

You see you like to moan so much you lose you sense of logic…why don’t you cheek the specs on the apple web site http://www.apple.com/macosx/newversion/ and you will see that your stupid 5 month old TiBook which you paid $2300 will run QE. Believe me $2300 is nothing we pay way more here in the UK so be happy with what you have.

“*nVidia: GeForce2MX, GeForce3, GeForce4 Ti, GeForce4 or GeForce4MX. ATI: any AGP Radeon card. 32MB VRAM recommended for optimum performance.”

Notice the words “any AGP Radeon card”. If you people (QE-moaners) will stop moaning for once please…Be happy with what you have because the man who looks into the mirror and sees nothing but himself is the most happiest, remember there are people who would love to own a TiBook QE or no QE.

No one has even come with even one creditable argument against my opinion...why, read my signature. Because what i say IS
are you freakin dumb?
You really dont understand that most of us dont have nvidia or ati radeon agp graphics? so why the hell we need QE?
 
Calm down megaquad... it's just a forum, I see you 'are you freakin dumb' is written so formally aswell, we have a lot to learn from you!:D
 
Originally posted by Paolo
Megaquad.... forums are just a way of comuicating ideas, there usually quiet informal, most of the people I read on here write the way they speak, I do my self. Maybe you need to loosen up a bit and relax!

I wasn’t complaining just gave one of the reason why it was harder for me to understand your American style and my lack of sleep…with me being British that all.
 
Originally posted by Megaquad

are you freakin dumb?
You really dont understand that most of us dont have nvidia or ati radeon agp graphics? so why the hell we need QE?

I 'm lost...sorry come again. What your poind in relevance to what I said
 
Re: STOP COMPLAINING

Originally posted by Paolo
Look why are you bothering telling everyone else that wasted you money on a low end consumer product, and you wish it to run the OS not designed from it!

and you're telling me the g4 pm is not a consumer product??? the pm is hardly something you'd use for anything that requires any actual power -- db, server, etc...

apple is consumer...
 
okok..im calming myself down..
im just frustrated because i will never have os x running fast on my imac..
yeah,i know! i should sell my organs and buy mwny powermac!
 
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