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A DJ iPod?
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Haha, DJ Vadim. He's aiight. I have his USSR album (forgot the actual name
) and h'biki is right in saying that guys like Vadim cannot use these iPods. But if these pro iPods are only a variant of the current iPod, and accessories produced by Apple are sold to accomodate the different possible uses of this technology, then I think Apple can be very successful.There really is no need for new hardware for a DJ iPod, if you want to change pitch etc. it only takes a software update.
As for mixing within one machine (and not hooking up two iPods to a hardware mixing desk, which of course is possible and people already do it), you need proper DJ software and a screen big enough to handle your file list, the mixer, pitch control, overview... in other words: You take your iBook, PowerBook, whatever and use software like Native Instrument's Traktor (http://www.nativeinstruments.de) to control your internal or external harddrive's (or iPod's) song collection. Traktor lets you pitch, synch songs, everything a hardware mixer does and more.
The iPods's wheel makes you think about DJing, of course, but a DJ iPod would basically mean a large iPod with two wheels, mixing hardware and pitching etc. via software. The thing would need a larger screen as well. It would sure look very cool, but let's face it: It would come close to a 12" PowerBook in size or at least wouldn't be portable enough anymore. On second thought, it would look *very* cool...
Another possibility would be a software update and a new dock with two stereo outs and a headphone out, that's the minimum need for a DJ. I am not sure if handling the pre-listening tasks, cueing and all that on the iPod screen with only one wheel would be fun and practical, but it could be a reason for some DJs to finally by an iPod. You'd have to hook it up to a hardware mixer then.
And for the quality bit: If you use MP3s only, you can adjust the sound system to get the most out of it (if you mix vinyl and MP3s, you're in sound adjustment hell...). It'll never beat vinyl, though, but that's the price we all pay anyway and that's the one argument that the record industry never thought of in their "fight" against piracy... The ongoing loss of sound and dynamic quality in recordings we pay for.
As for mixing within one machine (and not hooking up two iPods to a hardware mixing desk, which of course is possible and people already do it), you need proper DJ software and a screen big enough to handle your file list, the mixer, pitch control, overview... in other words: You take your iBook, PowerBook, whatever and use software like Native Instrument's Traktor (http://www.nativeinstruments.de) to control your internal or external harddrive's (or iPod's) song collection. Traktor lets you pitch, synch songs, everything a hardware mixer does and more.
The iPods's wheel makes you think about DJing, of course, but a DJ iPod would basically mean a large iPod with two wheels, mixing hardware and pitching etc. via software. The thing would need a larger screen as well. It would sure look very cool, but let's face it: It would come close to a 12" PowerBook in size or at least wouldn't be portable enough anymore. On second thought, it would look *very* cool...
Another possibility would be a software update and a new dock with two stereo outs and a headphone out, that's the minimum need for a DJ. I am not sure if handling the pre-listening tasks, cueing and all that on the iPod screen with only one wheel would be fun and practical, but it could be a reason for some DJs to finally by an iPod. You'd have to hook it up to a hardware mixer then.
And for the quality bit: If you use MP3s only, you can adjust the sound system to get the most out of it (if you mix vinyl and MP3s, you're in sound adjustment hell...). It'll never beat vinyl, though, but that's the price we all pay anyway and that's the one argument that the record industry never thought of in their "fight" against piracy... The ongoing loss of sound and dynamic quality in recordings we pay for.
Originally posted by aasmund
Maybe cross-fading is not possible on current line of ipods, because mp3/aac decoding is done in hardware, and this hardware may only be capable of handling one stream at a time.
well, all i know is that even the origional iPods (5, 10, slim 10, and 20) all had the processing power to decode a lot of different file types and even burn cds if the OS was enabled to! that woud truely be one of the pivital innovations if they were to just enable the OS to. i don't think it woud have trouble managing multiple streams at one time.
Re: Re: So, to sum up....
ok, you should have just changed your first line to say something like:
"i'm not saying it couldn't happen, i'm just saying it would be better if it had a whole bunch of features in it that is not even available for people that are using cd or vinyl setups."
Then I could say something like:
"man you are right, that really would make it far better than cd or vinyl setups. without all those features it would be just at the same level as cd or vinyl setups (of course with pros and cons on both sides) and nobody is purchasing those."
ok, you should have just changed your first line to say something like:
"i'm not saying it couldn't happen, i'm just saying it would be better if it had a whole bunch of features in it that is not even available for people that are using cd or vinyl setups."
Then I could say something like:
"man you are right, that really would make it far better than cd or vinyl setups. without all those features it would be just at the same level as cd or vinyl setups (of course with pros and cons on both sides) and nobody is purchasing those."
PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING ANY MORE SILLY POSTS
I quote this to prove the point I made earlier. SOOOOOOO many of you are so small minded and not seeing the BIG PICTURE. A product like this would NOT be for dj's who are mixing beats or scratching. It's for people like my man TSEliot above who are carrying all their own equipment AND records/cds and playing gigs like weddings, parties, etc. All of you people whining about how it can't compare to vinyl, it wouldn't be anything without ableton and it would definitely need two scroll wheels, a crossfader, line-in, built in sampler and an OS that is able to run reason please take your head out of the sand and realize that this product (if it even exists) is not targeted at you. There are thousands of DJ's like the guy above who would jump at the chance to lighten their load by about 50 pounds every time they played a gig. The 'DJ' world is not only alive in nightclubs and dance venues; in fact they are probably the minority.
I quote this to prove the point I made earlier. SOOOOOOO many of you are so small minded and not seeing the BIG PICTURE. A product like this would NOT be for dj's who are mixing beats or scratching. It's for people like my man TSEliot above who are carrying all their own equipment AND records/cds and playing gigs like weddings, parties, etc. All of you people whining about how it can't compare to vinyl, it wouldn't be anything without ableton and it would definitely need two scroll wheels, a crossfader, line-in, built in sampler and an OS that is able to run reason please take your head out of the sand and realize that this product (if it even exists) is not targeted at you. There are thousands of DJ's like the guy above who would jump at the chance to lighten their load by about 50 pounds every time they played a gig. The 'DJ' world is not only alive in nightclubs and dance venues; in fact they are probably the minority.
I hear what you're saying and I agree. But what's your point? *Any* DJ, be it a hip club DJ or someone who spins top10 CDs on a wedding party, needs to pre-listen and cue and start the songs in time. My (and other's) above posting wasn't meant for club DJs, but for anyone who puts on songs in a chosen order. So please stop calling other's posts "silly", but read them carefully and think about it.
moby is not really a dj..
moby is an "electronic music producer" not a dj in the traditional sense... at least not anymore... people like the crystal method and fluke and kraftwerk and such are often creating completely new music from samples and digital effects... they have come to be called DJ's, but the term isn't meant in the original sense. and they often have crap-loads of digital processors and laptops on stage... now it could be cool to make the iPod into a sampling device with a dock that could do simple processing and such. sorry just throwin' out my two cents... i've seen moby live and he often has live guitars and singers with him.
technocoy
moby is an "electronic music producer" not a dj in the traditional sense... at least not anymore... people like the crystal method and fluke and kraftwerk and such are often creating completely new music from samples and digital effects... they have come to be called DJ's, but the term isn't meant in the original sense. and they often have crap-loads of digital processors and laptops on stage... now it could be cool to make the iPod into a sampling device with a dock that could do simple processing and such. sorry just throwin' out my two cents... i've seen moby live and he often has live guitars and singers with him.
technocoy
Originally posted by jhaeusler
I hear what you're saying and I agree. But what's your point? *Any* DJ, be it a hip club DJ or someone who spins top10 CDs on a wedding party, needs to pre-listen and cue and start the songs in time. My (and other's) above posting wasn't meant for club DJs, but for anyone who puts on songs in a chosen order. So please stop calling other's posts "silly", but read them carefully and think about it.
I've read the posts, and I feel I've read them with a fair amount of care. I'm not saying that all the posts are silly, just that many of the posts don't seem to really understand that a product like this is not targeted at the beat-mixing dance DJ. Many people that have posted don't seem to realize that the "DJ" market does not ONLY include the aforementioned house, trance, hip-hop, rap, drum & bass, breakbeat, etc. club dj's.
Any amount of thought would make the obvious clear, that there is a market for a product like this. Many people just don't seem to be doing the simple mental arithmetic to realize that this is the case. This can be quite frustrating and annoying, especially since it has been pointed out in earlier posts.
So the point you were looking for
is: People should take a look at where and to whom this product is marketed to before making SILLY statements like "this would be stupid", "no dj would have any use for this" and "I'm not giving up my vinyl". Additionally, the people saying these things are the ones who should be reading these posts more "carefully", because if they did I probably wouldn't be writing this right now. nah....
I don't beleive they are going to make a dj ipod, maybe a newer system with better song transitions that'll be cool
I don't beleive they are going to make a dj ipod, maybe a newer system with better song transitions that'll be cool
Hopeful the rumor is true
I teach classical ballet from my PowerBook. Sometimes the tracks are too fast or too slow to use. It would great to be able to adjust the speed of the tracks. I hope this feature is added to iTunes and not just the iPod. I've been suggesting it every so often on Apple's feedback page. I'm hoping they listened. Now, if only I can get them to use me in the commercial!
I teach classical ballet from my PowerBook. Sometimes the tracks are too fast or too slow to use. It would great to be able to adjust the speed of the tracks. I hope this feature is added to iTunes and not just the iPod. I've been suggesting it every so often on Apple's feedback page. I'm hoping they listened. Now, if only I can get them to use me in the commercial!
Re: iTunes is great...
You might also want to look into MegaSeg. There are other solutions (some free) that are better for live DJs, but this product focuses on automation which is what a restaurant or bar needs.
Not sure what advantages it has over iTunes since I don't use the product nor do I run a restaurant/bar.
Take care,
You might also want to look into MegaSeg. There are other solutions (some free) that are better for live DJs, but this product focuses on automation which is what a restaurant or bar needs.
Not sure what advantages it has over iTunes since I don't use the product nor do I run a restaurant/bar.
Take care,
Re: Hopeful the rumor is true
Try Amazing Slow Downer which will speed up or slow down music without changing pitch. There might be other solutions out there in live DJing software.
Unfortunately, it is not integrated with iTunes (a pity since iTunes is easily scriptable). With a bit of work and the new system events Scripting you could integrate the two from iTunes.
Anyone know of others?
Take care,
Try Amazing Slow Downer which will speed up or slow down music without changing pitch. There might be other solutions out there in live DJing software.
Unfortunately, it is not integrated with iTunes (a pity since iTunes is easily scriptable). With a bit of work and the new system events Scripting you could integrate the two from iTunes.
Anyone know of others?
Take care,
Amazing Slow Downer
I have this program. I didn't think of scripting it, hmmm. I would have to make something that would work quickly. I wouldn't want to spend any time when using it. It's takes long enough to think of combinations! Great idea though! Thanks.
I have this program. I didn't think of scripting it, hmmm. I would have to make something that would work quickly. I wouldn't want to spend any time when using it. It's takes long enough to think of combinations! Great idea though! Thanks.
Are you fools this ignorant that you cannot see how a redesigned Pro iPod with a cross-fader, the ability to play two songs at once (one through RCAs, one through the headphone jack for previewing), two LCD windows and pitch controls could work?
If you have ever used NI's Traktor, then you would know that this is possible....and useful. Pioneer not only makes CD "turntables" (as well as others), but an MP3 player for DJs!!!!
Stop thinking of the iPod in its current form as the solution and think of a redesigned Pro iPod along the lines of what i mentioned above.
People already use two iPods and a mixer to DJ...even with all the shortcomings.
I'd buy it in a second.
If you have ever used NI's Traktor, then you would know that this is possible....and useful. Pioneer not only makes CD "turntables" (as well as others), but an MP3 player for DJs!!!!
Stop thinking of the iPod in its current form as the solution and think of a redesigned Pro iPod along the lines of what i mentioned above.
People already use two iPods and a mixer to DJ...even with all the shortcomings.
I'd buy it in a second.
DeKstacy
I have to mention DeKstacy since it's easier to use than Tracktor, it's free and the folks who wrote it know their s**t. All you need is a powerbook and some mp3s and you can start mixing as only the best djs in the world can (3 decks, 4 decks, external drum machines, etc. all in sync...). Of course, you still have to know what sounds good...
I have to mention DeKstacy since it's easier to use than Tracktor, it's free and the folks who wrote it know their s**t. All you need is a powerbook and some mp3s and you can start mixing as only the best djs in the world can (3 decks, 4 decks, external drum machines, etc. all in sync...). Of course, you still have to know what sounds good...
No. They are intelligent enough to see this isn't the best business decision for Apple, with third parties filling the niche already.
And why it isn't necessary for Apple to build one. Get Final Scratch, Traktor, and an iBook, use an iPod or two to store the songs and samples. Get Ableton Live if you want to get even fancier.
If you are a DJ doing the weddings Partys and reunion circuit, you don't even need to match beats. You could do a lot of these jobs with an iPod and a PA system, although a notebook would be handier for seeing playlists and available library.
Why aren't you screaming for a Karaoke iPod?
DON"T YOU REALIZE HOW INSANELY EASY IT WOULD BE FOR APPLE TO ENABLE KARAOKE IN THE IPOD!!!!!!!!??????
I use Traktor 2 and Live 2.0 and would still love to have one of these "DJ iPods"...Originally posted by Wry Cooter
No. They are intelligent enough to see this isn't the best business decision for Apple, with third parties filling the niche already.
And why it isn't necessary for Apple to build one. Get Final Scratch, Traktor, and an iBook, use an iPod or two to store the songs and samples. Get Ableton Live if you want to get even fancier.
If you are a DJ doing the weddings Partys and reunion circuit, you don't even need to match beats. You could do a lot of these jobs with an iPod and a PA system, although a notebook would be handier for seeing playlists and available library.
Why aren't you screaming for a Karaoke iPod?
DON"T YOU REALIZE HOW INSANELY EASY IT WOULD BE FOR APPLE TO ENABLE KARAOKE IN THE IPOD!!!!!!!!??????
Computers are a part of most DJ set-ups these days. A professional ipod would go over well with DJs...we can always say there is always "This", so why do we need "That"...why? because we are all addicted to technology and this would be one cool piece of tech. While your arguement to use a laptop is a good one...there still is no reason not to make a professional iPod. You have to admit that using the wheel on the iPod would be more comfortable than a mouse for browsing through menus no?