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...until the current Mac Pro will become the longest-produced unchanged Mac ever! That record is currently held by the Macintosh Plus which was on sale from 16 January 1986 to 15 October 1990 for a total of 1733 days. The current Mac Pro sits at 1685 days as of today, giving it only 48 days to go before it beats out the Plus! Who's ready for this momentous day in Macintosh history?
 
The 2013 Mac Pro (AKA throwback Mac) is also set to become the only Mac ever sold continuously and without a refresh for five years. How exciting. Hopefully Apple will finally update the website to mark the occasion.

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Remind me how many times the iPhone has been refreshed since then:rolleyes:

The thing that really gets my goat is Apple made these systems with 2 GPU's and has been enabling VT-d( AKA IOMMU/ PCI Passthrough ), yet has not added a public API to support it in the macOS. Even my 2008 cMP3,1 is able to do PCI Passthrough, just not under the macOS.

Really with multi-core, multi-thread systems like these it's just so much better of a solution to boot other OS's in a VM, as apposed to bootcamp, it really fits in with my workflow. I just can't understand why Apple would build these types of systems, and go to the trouble to enable IOMMU in the firmware, and not publish an API for it in the macOS.
 
I had forgotten the Mac Plus was on sale for that long. I got one (well, my father bought it) in 1988. While I was thrilled to finally have a Mac, I remember wishing he'd bought the SE instead, since it looked better, had ADB, and also the option for an internal hard drive. Instead I got a Jasmine 40MB external drive that sat underneath the Mac Plus. Dorky-looking but man I loved that computer. Its startup chime (well, it was a single note, more of a beep) will be etched in my mind forever.

The local Mac users' group had a Mac II--now that thing was cool. 256 colors!

OK, back to the 21st century

Edit: Technically, the Mac Plus was changed in 1987... they switched it to platinum plastic instead of beige ;)
 
I had forgotten the Mac Plus was on sale for that long. I got one (well, my father bought it) in 1988. While I was thrilled to finally have a Mac, I remember wishing he'd bought the SE instead, since it looked better, had ADB, and also the option for an internal hard drive. Instead I got a Jasmine 40MB external drive that sat underneath the Mac Plus. Dorky-looking but man I loved that computer. Its startup chime (well, it was a single note, more of a beep) will be etched in my mind forever.

The local Mac users' group had a Mac II--now that thing was cool. 256 colors!

OK, back to the 21st century

Edit: Technically, the Mac Plus was changed in 1987... they switched it to platinum plastic instead of beige ;)

If we went by technically, Apple changed the Mac Pro 2013 in April 2017 - they removed the quad core and kept the hexa with D500 as the same price as the previous entry-level quad one. Octa with D700 then came down to the price of previous hexa.
 
If we went by technically, Apple changed the Mac Pro 2013 in April 2017 - they removed the quad core and kept the hexa with D500 as the same price as the previous entry-level quad one. Octa with D700 then came down to the price of previous hexa.

Well those weren't new configurations were they? Just re-pricing of existing configs and dropping a model? A 1986 and 1987 Mac Plus look different (well maybe not today... the platinum plastic has probably faded to beige anyway). But yes, I wasn't actually trying to argue that the Mac Plus was meaningfully changed during its lifetime.
 
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Well those weren't new configurations were they? Just re-pricing of existing configs and dropping a model? A 1986 and 1987 Mac Plus look different (well maybe not today... the platinum plastic has probably faded to beige anyway). But yes, I wasn't actually trying to argue that the Mac Plus was meaningfully changed during its lifetime.
Not meaningful change but, yes they've upgraded the GPUs too. Hexa model had D300 in 2013, now have D500, Octa had D500, D700 now.
 
Not meaningful change but, yes they've upgraded the GPUs too. Hexa model had D300 in 2013, now have D500, Octa had D500, D700 now.

Ah, ok well there you go. That was more meaningful than outside plastic color! Although I remember being glad I got a Platinum Mac Plus rather than the ugly beige ones from '86.
 
If we went by technically, Apple changed the Mac Pro 2013 in April 2017 - they removed the quad core and kept the hexa with D500 as the same price as the previous entry-level quad one. Octa with D700 then came down to the price of previous hexa.
That was simply a price drop. They didn't change anything about the hardware as far as I know.
 
That was simply a price drop. They didn't change anything about the hardware as far as I know.
Like I've said to @bookemdano, they've upgraded the GPUs too: hexa-core model had D300 in 2013, now the basic model with hexa has a D500, Octa had D500, D700 now.

Perhaps the supply of D300 is gone, with all the replacing.
 
Not meaningful change but, yes they've upgraded the GPUs too. Hexa model had D300 in 2013, now have D500, Octa had D500, D700 now.

nope, the 6-Core had the dual D500 built in right from the start. absolutely nothing has ever been upgraded by Apple since its introduction! they just stopped offering the quad-core D300 version at some point.

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added link to the anandtech review which lists the two base configs available back in 2013 ->
https://www.anandtech.com/show/7603/mac-pro-review-late-2013
 
nope, the 6-Core had the dual D500 built in right from the start. absolutely nothing has ever been upgraded by Apple since its introduction! they just stopped offering the quad-core D300 version at some point.

Maybe I'm wrong about the GPUs, but Apple didn't offer the Octa + D700 in 2013, take a look on Mac Pro 2013 support page on the Internet Archieve page, only Quad+D300 and Hexa+D500 as standards SKUs.

https://web.archive.org/web/20131225041811/https://support.apple.com/kb/sp697

The last page on the archive is from March 2017 and still didn't have the Octa+D700 that the current page, edited in November 2017, has.
 
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The thing that really gets my goat is Apple made these systems with 2 GPU's and has been enabling VT-d( AKA IOMMU/ PCI Passthrough ), yet has not added a public API to support it in the macOS. Even my 2008 cMP3,1 is able to do PCI Passthrough, just not under the macOS.

With Hypervisor.framework + a IOMMU api, these machines would make great multi headed setups.

I’ve almost considered running Windows Server 2016 as a host on my machine and MacOS as the guest, but I want it the other way around.

Is there no way to do it with unofficial api’s and the open source documentation of Apple’s implementation? https://opensource.apple.com/source/IOPCIFamily/IOPCIFamily-284.21.2/vtd.c.auto.html
 
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With Hypervisor.framework + a IOMMU api, these machines would make great multi headed setups.

I’ve almost considered running Windows Server 2016 as a host on my machine and MacOS as the guest, but I want it the other way around.

Is there no way to do it with unofficial api’s and the open source documentation of Apple’s implementation? https://opensource.apple.com/source/IOPCIFamily/IOPCIFamily-284.21.2/vtd.c.auto.html

That looks promising, however Parallels/VMWare/VirtualBox all make Mac versions, I suppose they don't want to spend the time to do it, just to have Apple turn around and Sherlock them.
 
On a totally unrelated and off topic note, Apple engineering sent me an email stating they have actually repaired a bug in the latest Mojave beta, based on my actual bug report.

1st time that's ever happened to me. Usually just a note that it's a duplicate bug, never a note like this...

Cool Beans...

Now I return you to your "Regularly Scheduled" banter... Sorry for the interruption...
 
On a totally unrelated and off topic note, Apple engineering sent me an email stating they have actually repaired a bug in the latest Mojave beta, based on my actual bug report.

1st time that's ever happened to me. Usually just a note that it's a duplicate bug, never a note like this...

Cool Beans...

Now I return you to your "Regularly Scheduled" banter... Sorry for the interruption...

You mean the bug where Firmware updates, FV2, Boot picker, Verbose mode, etc. etc. etc. don't work with their "recommended" GPU? Or did they not reply to that one, lol
 
Just as another interesting point, seeing as Apple has said that it's not coming until 2019...
If they were to drop it on us 1 January 2019, it'd be 1839 days.
If they wait until the absolute end of the year like they did with the nMP, and give it to us on the same date, 19 December 2019 would be 2191 days. Just some food for thought.

Meanwhile my 2010 Pro is sitting here chugging along with its W3670, 48GB of RAM, and a Radeon RX 560 4GB. Rock on my friends, and let's keep our cheese graters alive while we wait for a proper replacement!
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Even though this is kind of pathetic, I'm just really happy the 2009/2010 and the 2013 Mac Pro when upgraded up with cheap Ebay CPUs makes them faster than a most of the computers sold today.
 
Even though this is kind of pathetic, I'm just really happy the 2009/2010 and the 2013 Mac Pro when upgraded up with cheap Ebay CPUs makes them faster than a most of the computers sold today.
On what do you make this assertion? cMP is nothing special, it's equivalent to HPs Z x00 series, the nMP is equivalent (if you can call it that) to their x20 series. Neither competes with their zx40 series let alone the new Zx series.
 
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