A Look at American Airlines' iPad Electronic Flight Bag

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    AOL travel website Gadling takes a look at the American Airlines iPad Electronic Flight Bag that received initial FAA approval more than a year ago.

    The airline's pilots can replace 40 pounds of company manuals and maps with a pair of iPads (one for each pilot), along with a long-life battery to keep the iPads powered for 24 hours.

    Because both pilots are carrying iPads with backup batteries, the FAA feels this is as redundant as paper manuals.

    Article Link: A Look at American Airlines' iPad Electronic Flight Bag
  2. b3thomso macrumors member

    May 20, 2012
    I am a private jet pilot and we have been approved and have been using the iPad alone for about a year now. This is old news.
  3. SvenSvenson macrumors regular

    Jul 17, 2007
    This isn't news, old or otherwise. It's an article about the impact of something that was news.
  4. nylonsteel macrumors 6502a


    Nov 5, 2010
  5. Moyank24 macrumors 601


    Aug 31, 2009
    in a New York State of mind
    I am not a private jet pilot, so it's cool to see something I've read about in action.
  6. notabadname macrumors 65816


    Jan 4, 2010
    Detroit Suburbs
    As a private pilot, you apparently don't know much about the Airline industry and what an effort it has taken to get approval for this in Part 121 Carrier Operations. There is a reason this is reported as a "first". I am a pilot for Delta Air Lines, and we are in the process of getting the same approval. It has been "in test" with the FAA for over 18 months. Getting a process like this approved, across a fleet of 700 aircraft, of various types and configurations, and trained to a pilot group of 12,000 pilots is very significant.
  7. needfx macrumors 68040


    Aug 10, 2010
    macrumors apparently
    pilot's facial expression at the end says it all
  8. Gav2k macrumors G3


    Jul 24, 2009
    Hmm a book does not smash if it falls. Silly silly person!
  9. 92jlee macrumors 6502

    Sep 11, 2009
    Cardiff, Wales, UK
    Replacing books with consumer devices that will be obsolete in a few years. Fantastic idea.
  10. Squilly macrumors 68020


    Nov 17, 2012
    I thought you didn't get reception that high? :confused:
    Unless the plane has WiFi...
  11. needfx macrumors 68040


    Aug 10, 2010
    macrumors apparently
    well, they are more environmentally friendly paper-wise & fuel wise, I have stumbled upon their annual weight/fuel ratio in the past.

    real trouble is when a power issue drops in for a visit

    a better solution would be if these were implemented on all planes through a centralised database accessed on a per flight demand. can't be that difficult, but yet we saw an article not a week ago that ipads are cheaper, lighter & easier to implement and deploy for on-board entertainment, why shouldn't it be for flight plans too?
  12. GregAndonian macrumors 6502

    Jul 31, 2010
    This seems really cool and all, but it seems strange to me that they always tell passengers to turn off their electronic devices during takeoff and landing, but now it's ok to use iPads in the cockpit?? :confused:
  13. techpr macrumors 6502


    Sep 9, 2008
    San Juan, PR
    Ironic for the same device.


    40 pounds ls a lot in Aviation terms. the iPad is here to stay for long time, don't worry.
  14. viggen61 macrumors 6502

    Jul 24, 2002
    New Jersey
    All the flight data and manuals would be loaded onto the iPads as either custom apps or PDFs, all but eliminating the need for any connection. Get updates when on the ground, just like with the paper ones...

  15. KdParker macrumors 601


    Oct 1, 2010
    The iPads are a good idea, but wouldn't it be prudent to keep at least one hard copy of the manual onboard?
  16. chainprayer macrumors 6502a

    Feb 10, 2008
    Because when a new iPad line comes out all others before it are unusable....

    It's not like it will be used to play the latest gaming apps (well, hopefully)
  17. fedup flyer macrumors regular

    Jan 18, 2008
    There has to be.
    We have built in EFBs where I work and one full set of paper manuals are required by the Feds.
    It is nice not to have to tote around all of manuals plus not having to do revisions is a HUGE bonus.


    Any clue as to what software they are using?
    Is it the Jepp or something proprietary?
    I am still not sold on the Jepp "Pro" app as I had had to many problems with it.
  18. notabadname macrumors 65816


    Jan 4, 2010
    Detroit Suburbs
    Yes, it is a fantastic idea. The books get revised and updated every two weeks. If an iPad were updated every two years, it would still be a massive improvement and savings. Not to mention much more effective to use in the cockpit than a paper manual. Additionally, the books weigh about 80 lbs total. So the iPads pay for themselves in fuel savings. They aren't being used to play games, they are displaying PDF files. They don't have to upgraded with the same regularity as devices running more aggressive software. But they would save money, even if replaced annually.
  19. iPhysicist macrumors 6502a


    Nov 9, 2009
    Most recent tools in chip production (not Crunchips) run Win XP on Pentium IIIs. So put that in perspective. Don't think you can play angry birds with these iPads or do other things than access the flight books, maps...
    It is cool! And there are two for redundancy.
  20. pezj macrumors member


    Jun 10, 2012
    What will this do to Dunder Mifflin's stock price?
  21. shurcooL macrumors 6502a

    Jan 24, 2011
    You're right, after a new generation iPad is released, the older ones will suddenly no longer be able to display PDFs. :rolleyes:
  22. devilbond macrumors member


    Mar 8, 2010
    Unfortunately the stewards/stewardesses will ask them to kindly switch their iPads off during take-off and landing.
  23. hodaka macrumors newbie

    Feb 16, 2010
    My 12 YO daughter has a first-gen iPad that does everything she wants it to. Games, Netflix, even PDFs and EPUBs. And we are currently on the fourth gen of the iPad - pretty good lifespan for this type of device, really. No, you can't load the latest iOS on it, but it still functions fine for a connected-happy pre-teen.
  24. shurcooL macrumors 6502a

    Jan 24, 2011
    I think you missed the part where I was sarcastic and wanted to demonstrate the same thing you pointed out.


    Funny, but I don't think they need them during take off and landing anyway. It's during flights if something has to be looked up. They prepare for take off and landing and then do things off the top of their head + intstruments, there's no time to look at a book when you have to be looking through the window/at the instruments. I could be wrong, but that's my understanding.
  25. Gasu E. macrumors 601

    Gasu E.

    Mar 20, 2004
    Not far from Boston, MA.
    True, if they end up crash-landing on an uncharted island that's shielded from detection by a mysterious force field, they will be stuck with obsolete technology, and possibly even run out of power. Under other circumstances, the technology will get upgraded, routinely, as needed.

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