A Look at WWDC 2009 Build of Snow Leopard

[Detektiv-Pinky]

i don't want it in a separate window, i am merely suggesting improvements to finder in the hopes that it will slowly catch up to windows explorer which is light years ahead of finder, please go back and read some of my other posts to get the context of my views. if you make a selection.... it should be like in windows explorer, no extra clicks, NOTHING, just a look see and you have all your information dynamically displayed so that you don't have to click and open other windows then close them once you have gotten your information etc

plus you don't need heaps of floating pallete windows, all you need is rightclick menu with cut copy and paste and rename, and file sizes should jsut be displayed neatly in the finder window. you dont need anything else in file brwsing or folder manipulation. its a complete set and all you need in a file browser, and even these basics.... FINDER DOES NOT HAVE.

Did I fail so utterly to express my thoughts. Please go back to read my post. I am 100% with you here. I also don't want it in a separate window and I agree to everything else you said.

However, that is how it currently works with the finder. Pressing cmd-i gives you a new window that you have take care of - how stupid.

 

[windywoo]

R u serious?

1. Microsoft stole the dock idea in Windows 7 from MAC OSX/
2. Finder is soo much better the explore in Windows and the version in SL blows it away with the previews, quick look, search, even to the point that when u download a application it shows a status bar in finder under the icon.
3. Dock Expose will be nice and blows away MS Areo Peak function.
4. Windows has nothing that compares to Expose at all!!!!!
5. Lets not forget things windows does have: Apple Mail, Stacks, Spaces, Stability, Speed, No Viruses, refined OS, iPhoto, iMovie, and the list can go on.

Fanboy bollocks. The sun doesn't revolve around Apple you know.

I am impressed that Snow Leopard can tell what timezone I am in, will they now change my homepage to the correct region too, as every version of Windows and Linux does?

 

[PsykX]

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere and I don't remember it being in Leopard but Snow Leopard automatically detects the language you are typing in. I type a lot in English and German and when I type in German it automatically switches to the German dictionary for spell checking.

Thanks God this is great!
I have tested Snow Leopard but haven't noticed this yet. It'll be great because I always type in either French or English...

That new pane to replace text strings for other strings (c) for a copyright sign for instance, it is great, but there isn't a lot in that except fractions and a couple of signs. I hope they will add more, a little bit like Microsoft Word does. And I hope it'll be easier to activate throughout the whole OS. Now I need to right click in a field and select the option to enable it in every field... people won't see that easily and it's annoying to always have to enable it. Especially because I've never knew how to enable it in.... Pages I think.

Now I need this fixed and grammar correction underlined in green throughout the whole OS and I'll be really happy on that side.

I mean, Pages compared to Word lacks a LOT of these language features, but if the whole OS gets it? Wow, every app will own officially

 

[intel]

that's like saying Camry is better than Ferrari since Camry offers automatic transmission for free and Ferrari doesn't.

no that's not what i'm saying... what i'm saying is that every car has a decent seat and a steering wheel. (in this sense, every brand of linux and windows explorer has cut and append options in their file browser)
What im saying is that the ferari that finder is... it does not have a steering wheel but instead 2 dials, one for left and one for right and for comfort wise, it does not have a seat just the frame for the seat, neatly organising files and folders should be set to default. the way finder is, is just like carrying a thick blanket with you every time you drive and every time you step in your car, you have to arrange the blanket on your seat so that it is comfortable for you to atleast sit in the damn ferarri. even ferarris should have at least some padding in their seats.

FINDER IS SEVERELY LACKING

 

[Detektiv-Pinky]

Thanks God this is great!
I have tested Snow Leopard but haven't noticed this yet. It'll be great because I always type in either French or English...

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Already Leopard can automatically detect your input language. You only have to set the spell-checking to 'multilingual'.

 

[jay-t]

Windows shows the how many files are selected and dinamically updates the size of the selected items in a neat little description down at the bottom. Finder only shows how many items are selected and how much space is available. If you select 6 folders in finder, and you get info wanting to find out if they all will fit on your usb pen drive, 6 info windows clutter your screen and you have to manually calculate and add the size of all the folders. Seriously, that is total BS.

You may not know this, but when you have the items selected in Finder, try the shortcut "cmd, option + I"

 

[shahr04360]

Text Transformations a.k.a Change Case seems cool. TQ Apple.

 

[AidenShaw]

I tend to like the rule of thumb, "If it's addressed by a binary address bus, it's a power of 2. Otherwise, power of 10."

Agree - but use the SI binary prefixes when it is written. Memory in GiB, disks in GB.

As long as "GB" is always 10^9, and "GiB" is 2^30, there should be no confusion.

Note that disks and some other devices will continue to have sector sizes that are related to a power of two. This is a convenience for transferring data between the device and the power-of-two addressed main memory.

 

[kaworu1986]

Are you serious?? The list is huge, i feel as if you are trying to make me write an essay, the list is that big.
Lets get some things clear, the left side of the finder window is complete genius in it's simplicity and elegance. The right side of the window leaves much to be desired.

Widows has a clear address bar in a very intuitive position, where you would expect it consistent to the browser. Minor issue but still worth mentioning.

Windows has space available on drive in a clear graphical and easy to read written size of drive and free space.

Windows shows the how many files are selected and dinamically updates the size of the selected items in a neat little description down at the bottom. Finder only shows how many items are selected and how much space is available. If you select 6 folders in finder, and you get info wanting to find out if they all will fit on your usb pen drive, 6 info windows clutter your screen and you have to manually calculate and add the size of all the folders. Seriously, that is total BS.

Windows has selection folder/file attribute assign, simply select file/folders, rightclick properties, click readonly, ok, and you're done. In finder, you have to do each individual get info window separately as they pop up.

Don't get me started with automatic clean up in finder, it's ridiculous. It should be set by default. As well as folders to be neatly aranged first then files, it just makes more sense.

Say you have 30 video files and you want to rename the last one... you can start to rename but you can't finish because finder cancels the rename to refresh the icon list even if its not refreshing or accessing the file you are trying to rename. you have to wait until every file is read and a thumb is generated every time that folder is opened.

This is something that really pisses me off, say you want to move one folder from one location to another drive. You option click and move folder. That's all well and good... but for some unforseen problem... priveleges to some files or network connection problems disconects or times out, the folder move is stopped. You go to move the folder again.... and the first lot that you started moving gets deleted, and data loss happens right there, YOU DON'T EVEN GET THE OPTION TO APPEND OR UPDATE. IT'S DELETE YOUR MUCH NEEDED DATA, OVERWRITE OR NOTHING. Don't say that you should copy and delete, that's an extra step that no end user should ever have to worry about like the french dude said about Microsoft's defrag. Sorry but microsoft at least got this right. and it can be done. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

I have bought everything apple. From apple monitor, mac pro, macbook pro, iphone, ipod, ipod hifi speakers, apple tv, and apple 30 inch cinema display, i love all things apple, i used to be a windows user up until 3 years ago.

At this stage, MICROSOFT WINDOWS EXPLORER RUNS CIRCLES AROUND FINDER THEN PISSES ALL OVER IT, LAUGHS AT IT THEN DEFACATES ALL OVER IT. FINDER HAS LESS FUNCTIONALITY THAN WINDOWS 95'S VERSION OF WINDOWS EXPLORER.

I'm sorry but that's how i feel about finder and how i lost a lot of data. Please, friken append or update and don't just delete the frikin folder.

I would hug you.

Also, WHERE THE **** IS THE OPTION TO CUT AND PASTE TO MOVE FILES/FOLDERS? Dragging and dropping is a pain, especially when, as opposed to what happens in Windows, you don't have separate buttons for the various windows on the dock. And no, not maximizing windows (by dragging them, thanks Apple for not giving us a maximize button) ISN'T an acceptable solution.

 

[DELLsFan]

Oh goodie! I've been waiting YEARS for this feature!

One less click during install. Nirvana.

 

[andiwm2003]

Are you serious?? The list is huge,...........................................At this stage, MICROSOFT WINDOWS EXPLORER RUNS CIRCLES AROUND FINDER THEN PISSES ALL OVER IT, LAUGHS AT IT THEN DEFACATES ALL OVER IT. FINDER HAS LESS FUNCTIONALITY THAN WINDOWS 95'S VERSION OF WINDOWS EXPLORER.
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well said.

it's sad but apples strategy to do everything through spotlight is bad. it's much better to have have a hierarchical systematic file structure to keep track of your data. and windows explorer is much better in making this happen than apples finder.

 

[DamnDJ]

Can anyone tell me if the system wide spell check includes the Terminal.app?

 

[FSMBP]

I would hug you.

Also, WHERE THE **** IS THE OPTION TO CUT AND PASTE TO MOVE FILES/FOLDERS? Dragging and dropping is a pain, especially when, as opposed to what happens in Windows, you don't have separate buttons for the various windows on the dock. And no, not maximizing windows (by dragging them, thanks Apple for not giving us a maximize button) ISN'T an acceptable solution.

Well if you cut a file, and something happens before you paste it...like Windows crashes, you lose that file. Or, human error - one time I cut a movie file from a folder and before I pasted it, I forgot I had cut it. Then in an e-mail I copied some text and I just realized I lost the movie because I had copied text from the e-mail.

Yeah, maybe it is a pain to copy a file, paste it to another then go back to delete the original - but I'd rather have that, then lose the file in an accident.

 

[parapup]

Apple and Exchange

Apple seems to be a tad bit too much in love with Exchange - notice how Mail.app says Exchange IMAP instead of just IMAP (which is what is there in current version and is the correct thing to say - it is not like people are only going to use Exchange's IMAP implementation and there is no need to specify Exchange for the subset of people actually using Exchange IMAP server when a supported native mode access is available - Exchange IMAP implementation is compliant).

May be just a UI glitch that will be fixed before release perhaps...

 

[ddTaylor]

Ahhhh can't wait for Snow Leopard, it's definitely going to be good release.

X5-452: It doesn't inflate it, it just counts it differently, so when you buy a 250GB hard drive from PC World, you are actually going to get 250GB... instead of it showing up at 225 or whatever it would say.

It's a step in the simpler direction.

It is also another step in the direction of complete and total dumbing-down of our world. Silly! The next thing you know the entire world will go metric or something !

Seriously - I think it is a minor complaint on my part as I prefer base 2 as that is ACTUALLY what is their versus what your HD or computer box says. If that is the only complaint I have in the new SL I will be very happy - and as a TERRIBLE speller (although not as bad as my Graduate English Professor - who would ask the CLASS if she spelled a word correctly or even worse, ask if the context was correct!) the global spelling correction is MONEY, for me, anyway...

D

 

[kaworu1986]

Well if you cut a file, and something happens before you paste it...like Windows crashes, you lose that file. Or, human error - one time I cut a movie file from a folder and before I pasted it, I forgot I had cut it. Then in an e-mail I copied some text and I just realized I lost the movie because I had copied text from the e-mail.

Yeah, maybe it is a pain to copy a file, paste it to another then go back to delete the original - but I'd rather have that, then lose the file in an accident.

Fair enough, but at least give the user the OPTION to do so. It's not like CTR+X is used for something else by the Finder and there are OSX applications (some even by Apple) that already use the shortcut in this fashion.

 

[intel]

Well if you cut a file, and something happens before you paste it...like Windows crashes, you lose that file. Or, human error - one time I cut a movie file from a folder and before I pasted it, I forgot I had cut it. Then in an e-mail I copied some text and I just realized I lost the movie because I had copied text from the e-mail.

Yeah, maybe it is a pain to copy a file, paste it to another then go back to delete the original - but I'd rather have that, then lose the file in an accident.

you cut in windows explorer and if you dont get to paste nothing happens. file stays in original location.
File verification happens automatically in windows explorer and when all is well and good, pasted and verified, only then the original file gets deleted. windows has truly perfected this. finder makes me cry. only in finder you will accidently overwrite or lose files while you cut bcs the function is there somewhat half implented by some amature coder in the apple basement. cut is there but it is so hopeless that they try sort of to hide it. you will loose data if u dont use it correctly. microsoft;s way is foolproof and pure genius

 

[mrblack927]

Well if you cut a file, and something happens before you paste it...like Windows crashes, you lose that file. Or, human error - one time I cut a movie file from a folder and before I pasted it, I forgot I had cut it. Then in an e-mail I copied some text and I just realized I lost the movie because I had copied text from the e-mail.

Yeah, maybe it is a pain to copy a file, paste it to another then go back to delete the original - but I'd rather have that, then lose the file in an accident.

That's NOT how cut works. When you cut a file, it becomes "grayed" (in windows). Then when you paste it somewhere else, the grayed icon disappears from the old location and reappears in the new location. The file is not moved until you paste. If you cut a file then forget about it or your system crashes, the file would still be in the original folder because you never pasted it.
SO either you forgot where your original "movie" was, or you completely made that story up.

On a technical note, "cut" is a move operation, not a delete/create operation (as it may seem). When you cut/paste a file, all the system does is change the reference pointer. The actual file on on the drive is unmoved. Another reason why there is no way it could be lost.

Windows has enough flaws without you making up fake ones. For the record, there are only two things I miss about windows since I switched to mac. First, maximizing windows(!), and second, pretty much everything about windows explorer that was mentioned in this thread (thanks intel for putting it so eloquently). Agree completely. However, the good definitely outweighs the bad in OSX, so all we can do is enjoy it and wait for the day that it's perfect

 

[DamnDJ]

Well if you cut a file, and something happens before you paste it...like Windows crashes, you lose that file. Or, human error - one time I cut a movie file from a folder and before I pasted it, I forgot I had cut it. Then in an e-mail I copied some text and I just realized I lost the movie because I had copied text from the e-mail.

Yeah, maybe it is a pain to copy a file, paste it to another then go back to delete the original - but I'd rather have that, then lose the file in an accident.

That is the biggest load of BS ever. That does not happen.

 

[scottlinux]

I agree - the base 10 disk reporting is the same one the hard drive manufacturers use. For example it throws people off when they find out their 500GB drive is not actually 500GB.

We need hard drive makers to go the other way - not for Operating Systems to cave to them. Bah,

 

[Detektiv-Pinky]

Well if you cut a file, and something happens before you paste it...like Windows crashes, you lose that file. Or, human error - one time I cut a movie file from a folder and before I pasted it, I forgot I had cut it. Then in an e-mail I copied some text and I just realized I lost the movie because I had copied text from the e-mail.

Yeah, maybe it is a pain to copy a file, paste it to another then go back to delete the original - but I'd rather have that, then lose the file in an accident.

This must have been a very old version of Windows. In XP the file is silently put back in place 'if you cut and forgot to paste it somewhere else'....

 

[SandynJosh]

Why would you want automatic transmission on a Ferrari?

I was wanting a cup holder on my Ferrari.

 

[kaworu1986]

That's NOT how cut works. When you cut a file, it becomes "grayed" (in windows). Then when you paste it somewhere else, the grayed icon disappears from the old location and reappears in the new location. The file is not moved until you paste. If you cut a file then forget about it or your system crashes, the file would still be in the original folder because you never pasted it.
SO either you forgot where your original "movie" was, or you completely made that story up.

On a technical note, "cut" is a move operation, not a delete/create operation (as it may seem). When you cut/paste a file, all the system does is change the reference pointer. The actual file on on the drive is unmoved. Another reason why there is no way it could be lost.

Windows has enough flaws without you making up fake ones. For the record, there are only two things I miss about windows since I switched to mac. First, maximizing windows(!), and second, pretty much everything about windows explorer that was mentioned in this thread (thanks intel for putting it so eloquently). Agree completely. However, the good definitely outweighs the bad in OSX, so all we can do is enjoy it and wait for the day that it's perfect

Agree, although I would add Itunes (ridiculously bloated, Windows Media Player does the same amount of relevant functionality [device contact and data syncing shouldn't be handled by a media player, especially with iSync being part of the OS] while being MUCH faster) and the ABYSMAL media playback support (I actually reboot into Windows to watch movies) to the list of issues.

 

[psingh01]

there better be a hack to go back to base 2. i don't like this base 10 thing at all.

 

[SandynJosh]

For the record, there are only two things I miss about windows since I switched to mac. First, maximizing windows(!), and second...

To maximize, click on the green button in the title bar.