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Is everyone having a problem seeing the link between iPhone 4 and Apple bumpers?

Posters keep saying its a case, just a case. It is NOT a case and it protects NOTHING except the very part of the iPhone causing reception issues. Last time I'll mention it in this thread, but really.

No case or 'bumper' ever before. Now with iPhone 4 a 'bumper'? Check online footage for just how protective this thing is. It offers no protection at all, zip!

But is DOES put a barrier between the user and the antenna - coincidence?

And yes, it does allow you to see the glass back, but it doesn't protect it or allow you to see the iconic. main design feature, the antenna band.

Like I have said, Apple knew there was an issue - perhaps discovered a little late in the day.

Field tests appear to have been conducted by iPhone 4's inside cases!
 
Is everyone having a problem seeing the link between iPhone 4 and Apple bumpers?

Posters keep saying its a case, just a case. It is NOT a case and it protects NOTHING except the very part of the iPhone causing reception issues. Last time I'll mention it in this thread, but really.

No case or 'bumper' ever before. Now with iPhone 4 a 'bumper'? Check online footage for just how protective this thing is. It offers no protection at all, zip!

Now read this – as advertised:

"Bumpers for iPhone 4

Dress up your iPhone 4 with a Bumper. Choose one of six colors — white, black, blue, green, orange, or pink — and slip it around the edge of your iPhone 4. With metal buttons for volume and power, two-tone colors, and a combination of rubber and molded plastic, Bumpers add a touch of style to any iPhone 4.
"

But is DOES put a barrier between the user and the antenna - coincidence?

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Sure. Apple must have known... but who cares?

People here keep blaming Apple for poor AT&T coverage, which exposes them to much higher SAR levels, and all this without anyone complaining about it. Isn't that amazing?

Field tests appear to have been conducted by iPhone 4's inside cases!
I can assure you that I have seen at least one iPhone 4 (from an Apple engineer) days before it was released to the general public, and there was no case whatsoever.
 
I'm so sick of this whole thing.

Here's all the facts that matter:

1) Apple knowingly release a product with a serious design flaw.
2) The design flaw was specifically a usability flaw.
3) Apple is know for making sure its products are the best user experience ever.
4) A simple non-conductive (e.g. clear plastic) coating to the metal would have fixed the problem VERY easily.
5) Blaming the press for pointing out your massive screw up only makes you look like an anti-gay rights douche caught blowing twelve year old boys.

Now from here I can say I have lost a HUGE amount of respect for Apple with this one. Mostly it's the lame blame game and denial of problems that they KNEW would come out eventually. It's like they're a kid that broke a vase and won't actually admit it even though his finger prints are all over the vase, there's emails from him saying he's going to knock it over, someone saw him knock it over, AND there's full 1080p footage of him not only knocking it over bu dancing on the ashes stored inside.
 
Statement: I'm left handed, and I really do not like how the bumper looks.

Question: Am I SOL if I want an iPhone 4?
Being left handed, would you not be holding the phone with your right hand, so that you can control it with your dominant hand?

I'm right-handed, hold it with my left, neither use a case or bumper, have traveled through low-signal areas, and have not experienced reception problems or dropped calls.

You might consider trying one for 30 days, at no risk.

And we didn't honestly expect you, of all posters, to avoid hyperbole or mischaracterization when you can use it to bash Apple.

They admitted there was a problem, and they quantified the scope of it given the best available statistics, and they identified a near term solution and said they were looking at the long term as well. You can get your money back, you can get out of the contract, you can get a new phone. Just call an 800 number; not really difficult to do.

OR if you're part of the 99.45% who are NOT having this issue (or not having it to the extent that they feel even the slightest need to call in), you can ignore the ignorant wretches and enjoy your phone.

They also pointed out that the problem exists on other phones out there, (which your allegedly Apple-friendly press has either ignored or not covered with nearly the hysterical-sky-is-falling tone used for coverage of the iPhone).
It defies all rationality, to witness Apple-bashing taken to such extremes, by some few, who neither own Apple products, nor have any genuine interest the company, other than to deride the CEO in a most derogatory fashion, while spewing contempt for their products, on a Mac centric forum, no less.

Apple has addressed the problem, demonstrated the universality of attenuation, and has offered reasonable options, for those within the relatively small realm of users having issues.

They assured us that they would continue to evaluate the issue.

They offered a remedy, free of charge, and a refund for previously purchased cases.

They offered to honor a full refund, as well as a cancellation of a two-year contract, for anyone who remains dissatisfied.

Furthermore, if it turns out, in the near future, that a manufacturing adjustment is indeed capable of further improving the issue, an appointment at the Genius bar will get you a replacement phone, without a hassle. (soft recall)

Overall, this represents pretty darned good customer assurance - no other company comes remotely close.

Have you yourself posted about the Nokia "Don't Touch Here" sticker on their phones?

Have you talked to your family, friends and relatives about these important Nokia, Samsung and Droid issues? No you haven't---because you know it's not a big enough issue for ANY of the phone makers, Apple included.

Typical double-standards.

Well, first off, I presume that they can't promise that such a thing will happen. What if there is no fix? Seriously. Given what you're after, you probably don't believe that, but pretend. There is no fix. All phones have this problem and no one in the whole wide world has figured out how to solve it. And because of the way the iPhone is built (to do everything it can do--not just phone calls), there is no way to change the antenna without completely ruining the phone (remember, we're just pretending for a moment. Run with it).

How could they promise that they'd get a future fix to you if this is the case? Or if they just don't know if such a thing is possible? Did you want Steve to lie to you? Make you hope for a fix that might never come? I think that'd make you even madder at them--if you waited for months and Steve said, "We can't fix it." You' probably scream, 'Why did they promise us a fix if they couldn't fix it!"

I'm mean, I'm confused. Isn't it better for him not to make promises he might not be able to keep?

Highly insightful and observant.

I'm really confused as to why you are so angry. I mean, I know it's no fun to buy something you were looking forward to and find it a dud, but it happens.

You vent, then go to the store, get your money back, and that's the end of it. But you seem to find it important that everyone agree with you that this product is a dud, and that everyone be as angry and outraged about it as you are. Why? :confused: I know it caused a month's worth of worry and frustration for you, and it shouldn't have caused any, but is it worth this much vitriol? This much typing and arguing? If it is...why? Why is it worth this much ranting and raving? Please. Will someone explain it to me?

Why are you all so terribly hurt? :confused:
More vexing still, knowing that some complaining here neither own one, nor have ever planned on purchasing one.

Perhaps, what amounts to ranting and raving here, is merely deliberate disdain, of which the latent motivation remains a mystery.

Interesting idea. What's Nokia's policy when one of their models won't give you a reliable connection at your house?
Excellent point.

"I'm sorry, we dont make that model anymore."
Likely response, on the day of release, no less.

Guys, there are still no reports of connection problems in Japan yet. And mine is doing fine too. Is it possible that the problem is with AT&T?
From what I've heard, Japan has consistently strong coverage throughout - this ought not be an issue in Japan.
 
(1) the questionable premise that a large number of users are informed of the "stay tuned" message.
Early product purchasers of an Internet access device are by definition now Internet users well-informed about that product. Even if they did not follow the news sites which informed them about the product in the first place, they would know to check them (or simply use a search engine) for any apparently obvious problem. For they will be familiar with using the Internet to find out information more quickly than with a 'phone call, so it would be irrational to make a call first and irrational to make a call once they'd been informed of the news.

You may argue that I would need to show that there isn't a large proportion of isolated iPhone users who only use their iPhone as a 'phone or disconnected media/games device and don't have much familiarity with the Internet on any other devices. To which I ask: where did they come from? Why are they buying iPhones?

(2) that users wouldn't call because they'd heard this message--another questionable premise.
It'd be irrational to do so. IOW you wouldn't benefit from it, but you would waste your time. It's like driving close to an accident at which you've been piled up for an hour which the paramedics are already attending... and calling the emergency services to report it.

Of course I'm assuming iPhone users are generally rational. If we cannot assume this :D, then we may need statistics gathered independently by an open method to conclude anything.

A better signal to noise ratio, and a bigger battery.
Those explain an external antenna, but they don't explain the rest. Why is completely unshielding the antenna (i.e. not even a thin transparent insulating layer) going to significantly improve SnR or increase battery size? Why is placing gap between two antennas at a contact point for left-handed users going to significantly improve SnR or increase battery size?

Lot of people like you joined the form in june 2010 ... :rolleyes:
Erm, OK. You can check someone's join date by clicking on their name somewhere on the left of their post. For example, you can see that I joined on Sep 23, 2007, which was around the time I got an iMac Late 2006 CD and wanted to ask some questions. But, in the style of an AA meeting: My name's Veri, and I've been using Apple systems since a Mac Plus around 1990. (and if that wasn't a typo of "forum", my apologies - it seems a recurring theme to point out join dates, is all)
 
Why is completely unshielding the antenna (i.e. not even a thin transparent insulating layer) going to significantly improve SnR or increase battery size? Why is placing gap between two antennas at a contact point for left-handed users going to significantly improve SnR or increase battery size?

A thin layer does nothing about the "grip of death", which is a far more common user behavior than the "finger of bloggers seeking view counts". I've actually tried the thin tape "fix". Have you? How big a difference does it make for you? For me, not much.

You might be able to move the gap... to a location where people who use the other hand would complain about... or to a location that radiates more into to your brain and thus with a higher SAR. The FCC would likely then require you to turn down the radio power, resulting in even worse connectivity than now. Net loss.

Move the antennas apart... it's been done. Motorola makes this huge near brick sized phone with room for 2 antennas that are far apart. Would anyone buy an Apple phone that ugly?

Note these are all trade-offs. The flaws just get pushed around or hidden. Just like other devices.

If you don't like the trade-offs: TAKE IT BACK. There are willing customers on the waiting list.
 
A thin layer does nothing about the "grip of death", which is a far more common user behavior than the "finger of bloggers seeking view counts". I've actually tried the thin tape "fix". Have you? How big a difference does it make for you? For me, not much.

You might be able to move the gap... to a location where people who use the other hand would complain about... or to a location that radiates more into to your brain and thus with a higher SAR. The FCC would likely then require you to turn down the radio power, resulting in even worse connectivity than now. Net loss.

Move the antennas apart... it's been done. Motorola makes this huge near brick sized phone with room for 2 antennas that are far apart. Would anyone buy an Apple phone that ugly?

Note these are all trade-offs. The flaws just get pushed around or hidden. Just like other devices.

If you don't like the trade-offs: TAKE IT BACK. There are willing customers on the waiting list.

You know you Apple fanboys keep saying the same thing lately - "the iPhone is defective like all other devices" when BEFORE you kept beseeching us how "insanely great and perfect" the iPhone was compared to ANY other handset. :p:p
 
You know you Apple fanboys keep saying the same thing lately - "the iPhone is defective like all other devices" when BEFORE you kept beseeching us how "insanely great and perfect" the iPhone was compared to ANY other handset. :p:p

You know why? It still IS a great phone
 
A thin layer does nothing about the "grip of death" [snip] For me, not much.
So are we agreed that it makes a difference, even if "not much" for you, or disagreed that it makes no difference at all? And what software are you using to measure attenuation? Which radios are active during your tests? Are you touching or gripping hard, and how moist is your hand? Most importantly, what is the thickness and material of your tape? How much are you covering?

You might be able to move the gap... to a location where people who use the other hand would complain about...
If your imagination is limited to symmetrical equivalents, yes. Hint for further exploration: have you tested the effect of turning the 'phone upside down?

or to a location that radiates more into to your brain and thus with a higher SAR.
You are clutching painfully at straws. FWIW, iPhone 4 SAR at ear is 1.17 W/kg, well below the 1.6 W/kg FCC limit. Testing to comply with regulatory body requirements across the world comprises several positions and orientations. Reorienting the antenna while keeping the same structure, aka reorienting the 'phone in your hands right now, is not going to take it over the limit.

Move the antennas apart... it's been done. Motorola makes this huge near brick sized phone with room for 2 antennas that are far apart. Would anyone buy an Apple phone that ugly?
First consider: what am I actually achieving with 2 external antennas?
 
That can't perform it's primary function? :rolleyes::apple:

Explain?

The reception in low signal areas is better, and there is only a significant drop off if you hold it in one certain way without the free case.

I can cope with "not holding it like that". Its worth the small imposition when all things are considered,
 
Come on... a hundred million dollar facility... not being used?? 17-20 antennae PHD dudes working on this stuff?

The facility was reportedly built for and used mostly to test other Apple wireless gear.

No one said the iPhone team didn't use the facility, but we don't know who tested the iPhone 4 antenna or how good they were at it. Often junior engineers end up doing work like this.

Heck, Gray Powell's resume on LinkedIn said he was responsible for coming up with RF tests, and we know he's not the oldest and most experienced person around.

Remember also that all the testing that was submitted to the FCC was done by an outside lab.

Would Nokia or RIM or Samsung show their test facilities? Take a tour?

Those other companies didn't bring their test facilities up. Jobs did, because he knew people who'd never seen anything like that would be impressed. It's what he does best.

I'm not targeting Apple here. I'm harping on the current crop of pseudo technical reporters who are too inexperienced, and too easily impressed by dog and pony shows. They also seem to simply copy from each other.

I'd just like them to ask some reasonably intelligent questions once in a while.

Lest not forgetting that the guy taking the tour was the guy whom was supposed to have given the warnings about the antennae... another scientist in the radio PHD gear-o-sphere...

Ruben Cabarello has been the Senior Director of Engineering for the iPhone and iPod for the past five years. As with any director, it'd be surprising if he's done any real engineering in a while. More likely, he gets his name put on patents the same way Jobs does... by making suggestions.

But again, I'm not blaming Apple for trying their best to deflect attention. I'm after the reporters for not asking some in-depth questions.

Regards.
 
well, do you have a three year old child?

if you would, you would know about irrational behavior, temper tantrums, self-center view of the world, 'now, now, now... now' demands, did I say irrational behavior?

All this noise about such a nothing tells me that most folks (including the media idiots) have yet to grow up... nearly impossible at this late stage for most.

You are right, and keep in mind that some people here just HATE Steve Jobs, for whatever reason
 
You are right, and keep in mind that some people here just HATE Steve Jobs, for whatever reason

NOH8

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