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A mother cuts off her baby's head

Originally posted by mactastic
Deserve death is different from being executed by the state. Nothing warrants the death penalty. It is a primitive form of punishment that does not deter criminals. It is applied unfairly, it costs more than a lifetime in a cell, and you can make mistakes. I have no problem with never letting this woman see the light of day again, but killing her will not make the next person stop before they kill their kids to think "You know, I might get executed if I do this, instead of just life in prison." It won't bring the kids back that she killed. It won't help her family recover from this. The only thing it does is sate our appetite for vengence.
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It costs more than a lifetime in a cell because people don't know how to execute efficiently. Hell, you give me $20 and I'll have a reasonable set-up that will kill as efficently as anything else. And there is no hope at rehabilitation because only the stupidest of people would say that they would want that person living next door to them after they're "rehabilitated".

Aztec, this was in Germany by the way.

Proper punishment: Cut off her head with a bread knife.
 
The Romans had two methods that were extremely cheap and even *made* lots of money...either they'd lead the criminal up a flight of stairs over a vast pit and just push them in to fall to their death...or let other criminals/animals get a go at them in the arena...doesn't cost anything, scares the crap out of someone with the possibility of a tiger ripping you to shreads, and you can make reasonable sales with hotdogs, popcorn, soda, and hats...

Okay, now with being serious. Yes, it is horrible and I don't see a person could kill another person like that--especially a mother killing her own child. It's also sick that lawyers would try to defend them for the almighty dollar. But it's as they say; justice is blind.
 
Originally posted by mactastic
The most likely place outside of Saudi Arabia that you will be put to death. Of course we found out she was a whack job with a controlling freak of a husband.
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If anything happens you did illegal in Saudi Arabia most likely you could be put to death, that is their ... almost standard sentence.

MacAztec -- The cost of the death penalty is sometimes equal for food that is costing people when they are in jail.

Because sometimes the prison is paid for if the prisoners work, the company makes a profit, the jail makes one and the prisoner gets some money.

But when they are dead, you can't do that can you?



Damn how become everyone thinks eye for an eye works?
 
Originally posted by mactastic
Deserve death is different from being executed by the state. Nothing warrants the death penalty. It is a primitive form of punishment that does not deter criminals. It is applied unfairly, it costs more than a lifetime in a cell, and you can make mistakes. I have no problem with never letting this woman see the light of day again, but killing her will not make the next person stop before they kill their kids to think "You know, I might get executed if I do this, instead of just life in prison." It won't bring the kids back that she killed. It won't help her family recover from this. The only thing it does is sate our appetite for vengence.
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Exactly. The point here is not whether she deserves to die, but whether or not the state can be trusted with the power to murder. Is it more important for us to feel good that one person has been given "justice" or is it more important to check the power of the State? Another way of looking at it is to ask if it's ok that a certain number of innocent people are murdered by the State just to insure that "justice" is meeted out to those whom we believe deserve it. Would any of you really say that it is worth the cost of one mistaken execution? Focus on the issue, people. Is the point of the criminal justice system to remove from society those who are a danger to it, or is the point to give the public a case of the warm fuzzies? I say lock up murderers and throw away the keys. And that includes certain politicians. Don't give them cable. Don't give them Nike's. Don't give them ****. Do like they do in Viet Nam. Put them out on a piece of fenced in land and leave them there. See who survives.
 
Originally posted by mactastic
Deserve death is different from being executed by the state. Nothing warrants the death penalty. It is a primitive form of punishment that does not deter criminals. It is applied unfairly, it costs more than a lifetime in a cell, and you can make mistakes. I have no problem with never letting this woman see the light of day again, but killing her will not make the next person stop before they kill their kids to think "You know, I might get executed if I do this, instead of just life in prison." It won't bring the kids back that she killed. It won't help her family recover from this. The only thing it does is sate our appetite for vengence.
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I have to disagree here. My brother tied up a man, injected him with Battery acid, and then strangled him to death. Yep. That deserves the death penalty.

At least I apply it fairly, don't you think. I don't believe they should have 10 - 20 years of appeals. That is why it costs more. Do like Ron White said. If more than 3 people see the murder in Texas, you go straight to the front of death row. Most states are trying to abolish the death penalty, "Mine is puttin in an express lane!"
 
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Mom Sentenced for Putting Infant in Oven

WETUMPKA, Ala. (AP) - A woman who put her infant daughter in a hot oven set on broil pleaded guilty to attempted murder and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

The child survived after her father heard her screams and rushed into the kitchen, but she suffered third-degree burns over 70 percent of her body and still faces years of reconstructive surgery, said District Attorney Randall Houston.

Her mother, Melissa Wright, at first told investigators the 18-month-old girl fell from her arms as she was cooking, and that the child hit the oven door, rolled in and the oven door closed behind her.

Prosecutors had planned to argue at trial that Wright acted intentionally because she was jealous of the attention the child's father was paying to the infant. She didn't suffer from any mental illness, Houston said, "She is just mean."

Wright, 27, of Coosada, pleaded guilty Thursday in Elmore County Circuit Court. Her daughter remains in the care of relatives.
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I'm glad they're starting to nix the insanity deal a lot more, way too many people using it to try to get out of the broil setting in the electric chair.
 
Originally posted by MrMacman
If anything happens you did illegal in Saudi Arabia most likely you could be put to death, that is their ... almost standard sentence.
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After living there for 15 years, that's wrong.

Theft: A free hand amputation
Drug Trafficking: Death
Murder: Death without question.

We need less 'insane' people in 'rehabilitation' and more people 6 feet under. I think fixing up a person this insane can only go so far.
 
Well so far we haven't found a recent case of the state executing someone who was demonstrably innocent, but when we do what will all you pro-death people say then?

There's a town in the Sierra foothills here called Hangtown. Sprang up during the gold rush. It got the name from a botched execution. There's a headstone there that reads "Hanged by mistake / The joke's on us." Nice.

How do you think the women of Salem felt as they were piling wood around the feet of the accused?

BTTM, I know you say you would apply it fairly, but would you be willing to have the state fund a shining star legal team for each and every defendant brought up on capitol charges? I would like to point to the Laci Peterson mess here as an example of this. When Scott Peterson was arrested, it was a slam dunk case. The prosecutor was even claiming it in public. The only attorney Scott Peterson had was a court-appointed one because he didn't have the money for an OJ or Kobe level defense. It was assumed by everyoen involved that he would be found guilty and sentenced to death. But wait! A high powered lawyer realized that he could get his name everywhere in the media if he donated his time to the case. Almost immediatly Peterson stopped appearing in court in his jail jumpsuit and was presented to the court in a suit because it was "predjudicial" to see him in a jump suit. He also has access to some of the forensics guys that worked on the OJ team. Very few people expect him to be put to death now, and some even think he'll be found innocent. Personally, here's another example of someone who should go into a deep dark hole never to return, but I gotta say, the only reason he's not gonna go to the execution table is because of his lawyer. We just can't afford the type of safeguards it takes to keep the innocent out of the death chamber. Put the money somewhere more useful.

There's my $.02
 
She definitely will not get the death penalty in Germany. My hope is that she will get a full psychological workup. She needs treatment, along with spending the rest of her life in an institution.
 
Originally posted by Wes
After living there for 15 years, that's wrong.

Theft: A free hand amputation
Drug Trafficking: Death
Murder: Death without question.
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You almost proved my point, for drug trafficking you would be out to death.

In the U.S I believe it is just a very harsh sentence.

2/3 -- Your example for death.
 
Originally posted by MrMacman
You almost proved my point, for drug trafficking you would be out to death.

In the U.S I believe it is just a very harsh sentence.

2/3 -- Your example for death.
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Those are for 'serious' crimes. And If you are Saudi, and know the right people, it's not much of a problem.
 
Originally posted by Wes
After living there for 15 years, that's wrong.

Theft: A free hand amputation
Drug Trafficking: Death
Murder: Death without question.

We need less 'insane' people in 'rehabilitation' and more people 6 feet under. I think fixing up a person this insane can only go so far.
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Is crime down in Saudi Arabia?
 
Originally posted by tazo
Is crime down in Saudi Arabia?
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VERY low, theft was very rare. Murder, well I heard of one while I lived there in a city of 25,000 people, family fued.
 
Originally posted by Backtothemac
What would someone have to do to deserve death?
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What she did deserves the death penalty. She cut off her baby's head with a butter knife. What the mother in Texas did deserved the death penalty. Even if they are completely mental and have had a tough life, etc. They atleast deserve life w/o parole.
 
Originally posted by MrMacman
If anything happens you did illegal in Saudi Arabia most likely you could be put to death, that is their ... almost standard sentence.

MacAztec -- The cost of the death penalty is sometimes equal for food that is costing people when they are in jail.

Because sometimes the prison is paid for if the prisoners work, the company makes a profit, the jail makes one and the prisoner gets some money.

But when they are dead, you can't do that can you?



Damn how become everyone thinks eye for an eye works?
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Your question negates itself. If we shot the people immediately, we would not need a prison, would we?

Only for people that did not get the death penalty we would need prisons.

I believe if you are sentenced to death, you die. You don't wait 10 years. You just get shot, or something
 
Originally posted by Wes
After living there for 15 years, that's wrong.

Theft: A free hand amputation
Drug Trafficking: Death
Murder: Death without question.

We need less 'insane' people in 'rehabilitation' and more people 6 feet under. I think fixing up a person this insane can only go so far.
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I agree totally. People are just saying they are insane for an excuse. Its all bull. Some people ARE insane, but others have no past record of being insane, then...they kill someone, and claim to be insane.

That is bull. If we did (but never will) have something like the Romans had, it would be so damn cool.
 
Originally posted by Backtothemac
Or just be an evil twisted human. Doesn't matter. She should never walk the streets of Germany again.
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Thank you BTTM. I have just read this thread and you have introduced me to a new experience...agreeing with you :eek:
 
Originally posted by KiDrOck80
Did you know, that if you are caught with a pound of cocaine, you get Life?
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Yeah, but nowadays life isn't life, it's 20 years if you behave well and have a good lawyer.
 
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