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It seems people in this thread have gotten the wrong idea. I understand he was part of a group being laid off. I was under the impression, however, that maternity/paternity leave was time off without the worry of losing your job so you can care for your newborn.

Then I remembered this is America, where corporations are king and workers are dispensable.

Oh I agree it is a very scummy thing to do and IBM has a history of doing fairly scumming things.
But I have a feeling if they slated the entire group that is a fair amount of cover. Mind you Employers are not above laying off 10 people just to dump the single one that want to get ride of.

I bet there the law is written that you can dump the entire group with out fear. The more I have learned about IBM over the years tells me that IBM at most is a company that you go to if you need a job and use it because it may look good on a resume to get to a place a little more trustworthy.
 
IBM....was interesting. My boss didnt know my name or my work shift. Truly felt like a spec of sand in a sea of sand. But, whatever. I did my job and I did it well. Sys Admin for over 20k servers... one of the biggest infrastructures in the world, good times :D

Wife had a freak out moment tonight, re: me being laid off. Sucks. She knows I'm going balls to the walls on applying though.

OP, you sound like you have a good attitude about the whole thing. I lost a job recently, too, but I was lucky to find another one relatively quickly. Let us know how things work out. Fingers crossed for you. :)

Nice! And thx! :cool:
 
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WOW! I just found this thread and am just speechless! How low can a corporation be - THAT unethical.....letting someone go while on Paternity leave??:( It's not as if they could not have given the OP a "heads up" that this was coming....I mean seriously - it's not like his Baby Girl was a SUDDEN development - they had to know (obviously) months in advance that it would be a shocking blow to "new" parents. I know, I know, call me "mushy" or whatever, but I am just SO outraged on the new Daddy's (and Baby Mama's) behalf. The whole wonderful, amazing experience of his Newborn baby.......clouded by this....:mad:
To the OP, congratulations on your Little Miracle, hope you don't let this detract too much from the joy she will bring you. You sound well qualified both in education and intelligence, and I am hoping you find a job soon. Wish I had more constructive advice to give you, but I am totally "out of the loop" in that regard.:eek:
 
WOW! I just found this thread and am just speechless! How low can a corporation be - THAT unethical.....letting someone go while on Paternity leave??:( It's not as if they could not have given the OP a "heads up" that this was coming....I mean seriously - it's not like his Baby Girl was a SUDDEN development - they had to know (obviously) months in advance that it would be a shocking blow to "new" parents. I know, I know, call me "mushy" or whatever, but I am just SO outraged on the new Daddy's (and Baby Mama's) behalf. The whole wonderful, amazing experience of his Newborn baby.......clouded by this....:mad:
To the OP, congratulations on your Little Miracle, hope you don't let this detract too much from the joy she will bring you. You sound well qualified both in education and intelligence, and I am hoping you find a job soon. Wish I had more constructive advice to give you, but I am totally "out of the loop" in that regard.:eek:


Hey thanks man, much appreciated. All I can do is try to be positive, or as you said...the entire experience would be clouded. I'll figure something out, I've got a couple things slowly moving forward... hopefully something solidifies itself in the coming weeks. My baby girl > dealing with job drama.
 
I don't have anything to add to the conversation, but I only wanted to tell you that you're handling his incredibly well.......far better than how I'd deal with the situation.

You have a great outlook on things. Good luck on the job search. :) I'm sure your positivity will help your wife get through this too!
 
Damn man.. hold your head up and congrats on your new baby. In the meantime, whenever you get a, ahem *free* minute to yourself..I would be B0MBING the internet with job applications... I mean just send them EVERYWHERE.. Do what you have to do man.

Best of luck, and congrats on the baby.
 
Best of luck in finding a job fast. I hope you already got the ball moving on unemployment and food stamps (I think you deserve it, to help get you by).

But I am amazed we don't hear many stories about disgruntled employees going postal.
 
Good luck Flatline. Could be a small blessing in disguise, you can hang with the baby for a little longer.

Something will come along, let me pass you some advice I used to give years ago when I sold IT Staffing and Consulting Services.

Every job search site you are using......refresh your resume regularly. when a prospective employer/recruiter is looking at resumes, they tend to look at most recent, so older resumes fall lower and these people have more than enough by the time they get to yours.

Good luck! Congrats on your baby :D
 
Thx again everyone....so much support here..making me all teary eyed, lol.

But seriously, thanks.

Got a job interview next Monday already, crossing my fingers! :D
 
To the OP:

My condolences; been through this sort of thing a few times in my career, it's never fun. I can tell you that I've wound up in much better shape over time due to being cut; otherwise I would have remained in place and not progressed. Maintain a positive attitude - it will pay off.

Now on to RP:

Oh I agree it is a very scummy thing to do and IBM has a history of doing fairly scumming things.
But I have a feeling if they slated the entire group that is a fair amount of cover. Mind you Employers are not above laying off 10 people just to dump the single one that want to get ride of.

I bet there the law is written that you can dump the entire group with out fear. The more I have learned about IBM over the years tells me that IBM at most is a company that you go to if you need a job and use it because it may look good on a resume to get to a place a little more trustworthy.

I have a feeling you were being hyperbolic to try to make a point, but going over the top with your commentary isn't helpful here to people reading this thread. Some people may even take you at face value, which would be unfortunate indeed.

So, allow me to step in here briefly, as unfortunately I have some real-world experience here.

I won't comment about IBM specifically as I have no experience with them, but I do have experience at extremely large multinational corporations down through mid-sized businesses down to me and the owner.

Also, bear in mind that I don't *LIKE* everything I'm about to communicate. I'm not a ruthless capitalist, rather, I'm communicating reality.

* Employers can indeed target entire groups for layoffs. However, saying this is for "cover" is... silly. If a business unit (say, the buggy whip division of Ford) is ailing and failing, it's wise business to shutter that division and let the people go. If the division is large enough and the cuts are big enough, a WARN notice has to be sent out, but I'll grant you that companies have gotten better about getting around WARN.

* Employers wouldn't even consider laying off 10 people to lay off 1 person. That's.... silly. Separation costs are significant for the employer - monetarily speaking, plus ongoing knock-on effects that linger after cuts (morale, organizational impacts, overworked feelings by those left behind, etc).

* Company-provided health insurance and benefits at a company the size of IBM aren't going to take a major hit because someone had a child. The extra costs are negligible.

* Letting people go during paternity/maternity/sick leave can also be done. Companies are rightly hesitant to do this as it really sends a crummy message, but it's legal as long as certain steps are taken.

* Letting people go that have recently communicated a status change (a health issue, marriage, divorce, baby, etc) or are otherwise in a protected group (over 40, minority, etc) only have recourse if they were specifically targeted for the action. But if they can prove they were targeted (individually or as a group) then there's a case.

However, for this last bullet, companies are generally proactive in making sure there's no targeting involved. This is done by:

* Drawing up a list of suggested employees to be cut
* Legal and HR review the list for targeting
* The list is sent to outside legal for additional advice
* Revised lists are made up again and the process starts all over again

I've found that the bigger a company is, the more attention they pay to who they're cutting (as a whole). There is more legal review than you may expect. But it's also a cold hard analysis, they'll be looking at ages, salary, job history, job performance and other types of parameters to decide whether a line item on a list should remain or not. Yes, that line item on a list is a person. I'm sure that people that weren't originally selected to be cut were added to the list so that (for example) the percentage of people laid off above the age of 40 went below a certain figure.

Mid-sized to smaller companies tend to be the ones that make many more mistakes in this area. There, I could definitely see a (bad) manager decide to cut someone out of spite or worries over higher costs. Actually, I have seen it.

Yes, this all sucks. But it's better to understand your real rights (vs. perceived) and the company's real rights (again, vs. perceived) than to go through your career without knowing. In the end, everything comes down to business decisions.
 
Please let us know about the interview. Above all Happy First Father's day!!!:eek::D

As requested - The interview went well until the company said they moved locations, which is roughly 3 hours from my house, one way. So yeah... not good :(

Zero luck thus far, been applying all over the place.
 
Oh, man ... that sucks. I'm so sorry :( I guess the bright side is that you get to spend more time with your new baby.

What area of the country are you in? My husband is an IT director at a pretty large company with several locations.
 
I'll be swinging non-stop! :cool:

And yup! Enjoying every moment with my baby girl.

I'm in Southern California :D
 
As requested - The interview went well until the company said they moved locations, which is roughly 3 hours from my house, one way. So yeah... not good :(

Zero luck thus far, been applying all over the place.

That IS disappointing.....distances a third of that in Southern Cal with our traffic, I cannot even imagine it.:eek:

I'll be swinging non-stop! :cool:

And yup! Enjoying every moment with my baby girl.

I'm in Southern California :D

I actually never realized you lived here. My Nephew lives in L.A, and he has a great job with Microsoft. Granted they get their "pound of flesh" from him, but a great perk he has, is that he very often works from home, which he loves because he too has a Baby Girl. This also saves his sanity, avoiding our horrendous traffic. Their Health Insurance is fantastic too.
Perhaps you should consider sending them a resume?

By the way, just wait until you see that first Goofy baby grin, hear the first sound of my favorite Language - Baby Babble - you'll think you've actually won the Jackpot!:eek:
 
No dice yet guys...figured I'd update the thread.

I've had two interviews, one moved to an office WAY far away, the other wanted to see if I was willing to move. Arg.

I'll be filling for unemployment tomorrow as well.. =/
 
You mean you haven't done it yet? :eek:

Dude, that's Priority Number One. I filed for it within 2 hours of being let go last time. Money out of my pocket otherwise.

^ This. Don't wait. The second you're out you need to file. I think you can even do it online now too.

I'm sorry to hear about your job, congrats on the kid, but don't be afraid to look at your resume and see what else you're good for. For example. I used to talk to a review appraiser who was being laid off. Looking at his resume it was clear that if you remove the appraisal documents and insert say credit card information then you had someone who was good for something outside the appraisal world. To date, he has been employed with a credit card company for 2.5 years in their credit risk department. He maintains his appraisal license and does appraisals on the side, but his job now earns him a steady salary at about $15k more a year than he was earning as a review appraiser and he's quite pleased with life.

Sometimes you have to take certain aspects of a job out of the mix and see if there is any way you can turn it into something else. I wish you all the best of luck, it's not easy to be unemployed anywhere but especially not in So. Cal.
 
^ This. Don't wait. The second you're out you need to file. I think you can even do it online now too.

I'm sorry to hear about your job, congrats on the kid, but don't be afraid to look at your resume and see what else you're good for. For example. I used to talk to a review appraiser who was being laid off. Looking at his resume it was clear that if you remove the appraisal documents and insert say credit card information then you had someone who was good for something outside the appraisal world. To date, he has been employed with a credit card company for 2.5 years in their credit risk department. He maintains his appraisal license and does appraisals on the side, but his job now earns him a steady salary at about $15k more a year than he was earning as a review appraiser and he's quite pleased with life.

Sometimes you have to take certain aspects of a job out of the mix and see if there is any way you can turn it into something else. I wish you all the best of luck, it's not easy to be unemployed anywhere but especially not in So. Cal.

Looks like really good advice!

No dice yet guys...figured I'd update the thread.

I've had two interviews, one moved to an office WAY far away, the other wanted to see if I was willing to move. Arg.

I'll be filling for unemployment tomorrow as well.. =/

Oh I am so sorry you've had no luck yet!:( I'll be holding a good thought for you, hoping that a great opportunity presents itself very soon. In the mean while, don't forget the sweet baby smell of that precious little Girl of yours.:eek:
 
May 24th, my Wife and I had our first child, skip to May 28th (mere days later...), I was laid off. I was a (Windows/VMware) System Administrator for IBM for about 4 years. Right smack dab in my paternity leave, myself and many others are given lay-off notices.

P.S. The legality of laying off a person on paternity leave has already been investigated. No dice!
You got laid off right after your baby was born while you were on paternity leave? that is legal in the US? :confused: damn that really sucks.

Well you have a child to occupy you for a little while now, hope it all works out in the end :)
 
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