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A new super gun...

Originally posted by jayscheuerle
No condemnations here, just observations.

I hadn't read further on the technical aspects of the million shotter, but it will only hit that rate with the 36 barrel unit (crowd control I guess?).

That would knock the speed down to 26 miles per hour (minimum) using increasingly flawed math.

The article also says it only holds 540 rounds, which would be gone in about a 30th of a second. That's a big "whoops!"

It will be interesting to see where or if this pans out in the next 5 years. - j
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Yeah, condeming was kinda a harsh term. Having a bad day and I'm a bit edgy sorry.

But, again, the "uber-gun" would not be used against soft targets (people). It would most likely be an anti-armor/vehicle weapon and used to shoot down missles. For soft targets they have a "grenade launcher" that can fire non-lethal ammo as well as stand alone flash/bang launchers and they are working on handguns that can fire both lethal and non-lethal ammo.

I repeat, the super-gun is not intended to be used against soft targets. So no one is going to get shredded by marshmellows flying a billion miles an hour. ;)


Lethal
 
I want more research done on the ion gun and phaser. Both of the weapons can be used to kill, but they can also be used to stun people. The US military was working on a phaser and the UK military was working on the ion gun but they gave up because the guns required the soliders to have a massive battery on their backs for the guns to work. I read about them in the New Scientist.

I can't remember how the phaser working but the ion gun works by ionizing the air straight in front of the gun. This then allows electricity to flow through the air to the target. The amount of electricty can be adjusted depending on whether you want to kill or stun. The US military only ever managed to get the phaser to work in stun, since they could not get it to kill anyone they gave up on it.
 
I'm not really sure what to think here. Being born and raised into a military family (I'll be the first generation of my family since the French and Indian War not to serve), this really resonates with me. On the one hand, it has enormous potential to save US soldiers' lives, as it would be an excellent anti-armor weapon, thus saving our guys and gals from having to confront enemy armored units at a closer range. So that's definitely a plus. Not to mention the potential non-lethal applications of such a technology, which are truly staggering. That being said, the thought of our military deploying such a truly deadly weapon is almost terrifying. And the notion that my tax dollars went to such a project as this instead of, say, education really bothers me as well. Oh well, just my $.02.
 
I don't know whether to be happy or sad.

We depend on guns yet they will eventually help lead to our demise (I think - along with explosives and other tools of destruction).

scem0
 
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Wow, that's tight. That thing looks like it can kill more people than a drunk Kennedy.

Plus, this will lead to fewer deaths, now we can just annihilate our enemies instead of having our soldiers killed. Still, I'd like to see a real world test on a place that no one would miss if it got blown up like oh, say Canada, if only we could find it on a map.
 
A better weapon would be the ion cannon out of Command and Conquer. For anyone that does not know it is an obital laser platform. (although it is not really a laser) In the long run it would be cheaper than using bombs and more acurate, the laser could just recharge with its inbuilt nuclear generator. The US could have then killed Sadam while he was still in the bunker at the beginning of the war. This is a similar idea to Star Wars 2 except the laser has a lot more power and is able to destroy entire buildings.

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Originally posted by G4scott
Defense is such a big industry, because they have convinced us that they are needed to protect us and our interests.
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It is. Remember what happened to Tibet with its almost non-existent Army when China decided to waltz in.

When I see one of those Free Tibet bumper stickers, I think that it should be ARM Tibet.

Military is not necessarily good or evil. It all depends on who its controlled by. Thats why in the US, the military is under civilian control. What used to be better is when most of the military are civilians. This is the way Switzerland is.
When the German Kaiser asked in 1912 what the quarter of a million Swiss militiamen would do if invaded by a half million German soldiers, a Swiss replied: shoot twice and go home.
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The thing about MetalStorm is that reloading it might be difficult since the bullet, propellant and barrel are all together. The Phalanx is essentially a computer controlled mini-gun, or 4.

As far as being used in the civilian market, I doubt any police officer would willingly stake their life on a computer-controlled gun that can be electronically programmed to not fire in certain areas. Can you imagine criminals with 'gun jammers'?

Oh, lets just ban the possession of 'gun jammers', like the law that bans possession of drugs STOPs the possession of drugs.
 
Originally posted by LethalWolfe


But, again, the "uber-gun" would not be used against soft targets (people). It would most likely be an anti-armor/vehicle weapon and used to shoot down missles. For soft targets they have a "grenade launcher" that can fire non-lethal ammo as well as stand alone flash/bang launchers and they are working on handguns that can fire both lethal and non-lethal ammo.

I repeat, the super-gun is not intended to be used against soft targets. So no one is going to get shredded by marshmellows flying a billion miles an hour. ;)


Lethal
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They've been pushing this thing for a few years now with little success, and for some obvious reasons.

Intention and actual use are two very dfifferent things. Anti-aircraft cannons were never designed to be used against surface targets, but they are extremely effective in that role. As for anti armour uses, well, this thing is a little limited - barrel length and round material limit it for a start. Its prime (and about only one i can think of) is in point to point systems, but given its lack of accuracy at range, it really would be a desperation weapon.

Why turn this into a hand gun? does ANYONE need a gun that empties it self in under a 30th second? there are no military uses for this - its only use is for drive-bys!
 
ok, so unless this thing has integration with ichat av, i'm not too excited. immagine.. duct tape an ibook to a predator drone, fly it over iraq or afganistan or whereever, and shoot stuff. or just take pictures. maybe play some itunes too.
 
Metal Storm MTSX

Make sure to pass this news around MTSX is about to be adopted by U.S.A. DOD.
Everyone here know
General Dynamics ....:)
Everyone know who "Eagle Enterprises" are?
They are the subsidiary of GD, who were granted the Objective Force Warrior integration contract.

Everyone know that the OFW ( http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/ofw.htm ) is not just about the soldier system, but also includes two vehicles called the RISS and RAAS (Robotic Armored Assault System), that are to acompany soldier squads.
Each 12 man squad would have two RAAS.

http://www.gd.com/prod_serv/combat/OFW/ofwgraphics_new.htm

http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/armoured/general_dynamics/
"The General Dynamics Eagle Enterprise concept for the OFW system of systems includes a Robotic Armored Assault System (RAAS) that may carry three weapon systems, including crew-served weapons, mortars and anti-armor munitions."

An interesting article (must read sometime)
http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/article.cfm?Id=1173

Okay, now these are a big deal ... for the last few years, I have mostly gone on and on about FCS and OFW (the crux of transformation).

So, wouldn't it be really cool, if I could provide some info, that linked Metal Storm weapons to the RAAS? - haha, no, not the OICW, but the RAAS!

From the Full Spectrum Warfare Conference (23-25 June, 2003)
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2003armaments/index.html
OFW Operational concepts - by Mr. John H. Northrop

It has the four man teams (page 9)
T = Team Leader = OICW/EGLM
AR = Auto Rifleman = LWMG
Gr = Grenadier = OICW/EGLM
PE = Prec Eng Spec = FIW

and then!
RAAS = Mortar - Metal Storm / OCSW

This presentation (from General Dynamics)is saying that the squad members will be carrying a variety of the objective individual combat weapon (XM8), enhanced grenade launcher module (XM29), light weight machine gun (LMG), and that their accompanying vehicle to be equipped with the objective crew served weapon (OCSW) and Metal Storm!

I'll let this sink in for awhile...
regards
sweeder
 
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