A 'Photoshopped' photo of US President Ulysses Grant

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  1. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Before I post the article for this, let's have a bit of fun. All you history buffs should enjoy this.

    The following picture is in the US Library of Congress of President Ulysses S. Grant.

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    As the thread title suggests, there are three things majorly wrong with this picture. Can anyone spot them? I'll be back in a couple of hours with the article. Okay, Go! :)

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    Forgot to add one more thing. If you'd like to see a bigger picture of the photo, Links are below:

    JPEG - 7220KB

    TIFF - 75MB

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    Actually, the transparent horse isn't one of them, which is amazing enough.. but keep going! :)

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    Well first and most obvious is Grant and his horse is pasted in. Tell tale fine white lines around…
    Also the sun direction seems off. Mainly seems to be shining from left towards right… but Grant is definitely lit by sun coming from the front/right.
    Can't work out the others though. :)

    PS. Haha! Of course. As Mousse just pointed out. A three legged horse. :)
     
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    I see a 3 legged horse, the one Useless Grant is sitting on. It may have been a war time injury, so that might not be one.;)
     
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    You're right about the horse, but it isn't 3-legged. But you're finally onto part of it. Keep 'em coming!

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    I only see 1 star on this shoulder patch. Since Grant was the supreme commander of the Union forces he should have been a 3-star General at least. I had to google Union insignia.

    Ergo, that is Grant's head on a brigadier's body.
     
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    I'd seen the article earlier so I won't go and point out all three, but you are definitely on to something with one of them.
     
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    One down! Two to go! :)

    EDIT: Make that 1.5 down. You're definitely onto something to pick up that other half! :)

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    That one is real.

    I'll give this one more hour then post the article.

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    U. S. Grant wasn't a three star general for the entire war - and the date when this picture was taken (and/or doctored) is unclear.

    However, fascinating thread.

    The caption (I was only able to open one of the two links supplied by @bradl) suggests that Grant was 'with generals', but it is clear from the picture that he is not.
     
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    You're almost there, everyone.. almost there!

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    grant tail.jpg
    You need to download the TIFF file to see the details.

    This is the only think I can think of on the horse that ain't right... the tail. The space between the hind leg and tail is painted in.
     
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    In a way, this thread reminds me of the 'Spot The Difference' cartoons I used to love as a kid.
     
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    So the picture was copyrighted in 1902, when Ulysses Grant lived between 1822 and 1885?
     
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    I remember this "faked" photograph and the reading story behind it several years ago, so I'll just say nothing, for now at least...
     
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    2.5 of the way there. just one last thing... :)

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    Yes, I had wondered about the 1902 date. Fascinating.

    Mind you, it does say at the bottom 'composite photo'……which is rather unusual, come to think of it.
     
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    Ok, another thing. City Point according to wikipedia served as the headquarters for the Union. The way the soldiers sit and the number of tents do not match the definition of headquarters with two huge military installations.
     
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    Boom! Well done!

    1. Copyright for this was 1902, which Grant had been dead 17 years.
    2. None of the pictures used were of City Point.
    3. Grant's Head on another person's body and horse (both horse and body were real), and that horse and body are disproportionate to the captives sitting down.

    For the details:

    http://www.npr.org/sections/npr-his...2089384/a-very-weird-photo-of-ulysses-s-grant

    In short, all 3 pictures were taken the same year: 1864, and 5 years before he would become POTUS.

    Side note: Anyone notice how Grant's Cold Harbor, Virginia shot looks like Hugh Jackman, Wolverine-style? :D

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  23. Scepticalscribe, Oct 27, 2015
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    Brilliant, @bradl, fascinating idea for a thread, and thank you for posting it, and starting the thread. Thoroughly enjoyed reading about it.

    Actually, I used to teach Russian and Soviet history, and some of the doctoring of photographs done under Stalin was stupefying, to say the least; I used a few as examples of attempts to alter - or re-define - history when I was teaching some of those courses and it was the sort of thing my students found absolutely riveting.
     

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