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By the way, Mona knows how to write--excellent.

Indeed. Made me wish she'd written the Steve Jobs biography -- I'm finding Issacson's bio a little lacking when it comes to conveying emotional depth. For instance, he says Steve was disappointed by the initial reactions to the iPad, but there's little emotional detail to convey exactly *how* he was disappointed.
 
Touching and its an interesting counter-balance to his biography which has some rather negative personality traits.
 
Sorry, no. At the time of impending death, there is no change in vascular tension that would cause vessels in the sides of the retina to "compress". And there is no change of vitreal pressure in the posterior chamber of the eye either, which would reshape the retina. Don't mind people looking for scientific answers, but that's not it.

Very moving and somehow exactly what I would expect from him. By the way, Mona knows how to write--excellent.

There is a drop in blood pressure where the tunnel vision effect occurs. The closest thing to this that could happen to people, who are not fighter pilots, would be slowly passing out.
 
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This is what makes this NOT sad. Listen folks -- the ONLY thing you can count on for sure, is that you will die. It is natural, and right -- NOT a punishment. Steve accomplished more in his life, both in terms of what he contributed to society at large, and, I think, more importantly, in his own personal development, than most people ever will. He had a beautiful life, and in those last moments, maybe, just maybe, as one poster here so eloquently said, saw "one more thing" so much greater and more wonderful than even HE of all people could have imagined...

I disagree, I believe death is a terrible thing. We as a society should not have a war on drugs, cancer, diabetes. We need to have a war on Death. I believe that the technology is out there to extend the best years of our life by hundreds of years. However I do find Steve's last moments comforting, however none of us can know what happens after we die. And I would like to postpone finding out that information for myself as long as possible.
 
Apparently, he looked at each of them, probably in wonder and amazement - grateful to have had them in his life, and then he looked past them, and said the series of "oh wow"s. It is said that just before a person passes on, they have visions, see loved ones who have passed, angels, etc. Evidently Steve saw something amazing and beautiful before he left this world, and his last words were about it. It does happen.

Indeed.

When my Gran passed away 4 years ago after a stroke (side effect from an operation to remove a tumour in her intestines when a blood clot moved), we too as a family sat round her bed and watched those final breaths.

However, I remember just when she stopped breathing ... she opened her eyes ever so slightly, looked past us, and smiled.

I remember it to this day ...

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He was probably envisioning the tunnelling effect.

Its a natural process that people misinterpret as "getting close to God."

In reality, the blood in the eye sockets compress on the retina from the sides creating a "tunnel" effect. Many people interpret this as the "light at the end of the tunnel" = God awaiting them.

How the hell can it be what people "misinterpret"?! We're talking about dying words here, a dying vision ... so how can it be something people "interpret"? It's when you die, it's not something you can turn up at the pub the following weekend and say, "Oh aye, I died the other week, that tunnel stuff when you go ... complete misinterpretation".

Did someone die and come back to life to let you know exactly what happened?

Bloody hell ...
 
There is a drop in blood pressure where the tunnel vision effect occurs. The closest thing to this that could happen to people, who are not fighter pilots, would be slowly passing out.

You have about 50,000 miles of vessels, so BP does not drop immediately and systemically prior to death, as the brain and limbic system try to prioritize to conserve key functions in a chaotic situation. In your scenarios you're more likely to simply lose peripheral vision and focus due to a change in intraocular pressure changing the shape of the eye and causing the lens focal point to move off the fovea of the retina. Also, Jobs uttered his words hours prior to passing, so we're not talking about dramatic change to BP in the retina or brain.

In any event, none of this accounts for seeing visions, godly or otherwise. I'm guessing just "seeing a light" would not elicit "Oh wows!", but maybe that's just me. Looking forward to seeing for myself, just not anytime real soon.
 
I have never seen my rectum (except that one time.. nevermind) but I know it exists. Steve Jobs died and he experienced something. I will go on believing that Steve saw the beginning of his new life (afterlife). OH WOW!!!

:eek: LOL. I know it's a somber (joyful?) thread but you crack me up.
 
How the hell can it be what people "misinterpret"?! We're talking about dying words here, a dying vision ... so how can it be something people "interpret"? It's when you die, it's not something you can turn up at the pub the following weekend and say, "Oh aye, I died the other week, that tunnel stuff when you go ... complete misinterpretation".

Did someone die and come back to life to let you know exactly what happened?

Bloody hell ...

People who have add near death experiences have reported white lights, seeing Heaven, seeing dead relatives, etc.
 
Wow

I have no idea what Steve meant by his last words. Nor does anyone.

But my favorite idea is that he was visualizing his one more thing...

Too bad he won't be doing that anymore.
 
The "oh wow" indicates once more a man getting excited by everything beautiful. One that used to search the inner beauty on everything in life and finally even in death. Probably at the moment he was dying he was hallucinating due to the lack of oxygen in the brain. At that stage people think that they flight through a tunnel of colourful light e.t.c. Steve probably felt ecstatic at that moment.

Rest in peace Steve, we will always love you..
 
I have read the biography until the point Gil Amelio thought about
using NT 4 for Mac.
Even though the reading is entertaining, it lacks imho a bit in
authorial quality.

Of course then an eulogy of his sister which seems to be a more
capable writer will stand out.

But, and now to what i'm actually trying to say, thats nothing special.
Everyone which has lost a loved one and accompained him/her on the death
bed can talk about the same, perhaps not in the same cut-glass words.
That's my impression on whats written on the internet since the death of
Steve Jobs. People seems to adore him for every fart he has done in his
life. I think the biography is very clear about Steve Jobs and you
not even have to read between the lines what a a$$***e he was.

I see a pattern there, even in the eulogy of his sister, i find the
confirmation for this pattern.
He was able to be kind to people which he want to be kind. Because he
want something from them and/or they were near relatives which he
decided by royal steveian decree as valuable.
And at the same time he was able to ruin the life of one of his
employees with a blink of an eye, just because he was able to do it.

What a genius to misue his hierarchical power just because he could.
What a genius to just let himself go with is mental disease of
despotism.
What a genius to describe pure lying as "Reality disortion field"
What a genius to abandon his own daughter but accuse his physical father
doing the same to him.
What a genius to steal the ideas of his employees to sell it as his own ideas

Should i adore him because he helped to bring us the ipod, iphone, ipad?
I don't think so. It's just tech stuff. Tech stuff made by a company
in china with very questionable work ethics. What has Steve done against
the suicides happening there?
Oh, of course he was unable to, cause he was to busy maximizing profits
and go thermonuclear on Android. What a genius!
 
Tech stuff made by a company
in china with very questionable work ethics. What has Steve done against
the suicides happening there?

And what are Acer,Intel,Cisco,Dell, Hewlett-Packard,Nintendo,Nokia,Sony and Motorola - among others - doing about the working conditions in China ? You DO realise that Foxconn manufacture for these companies as well ?
 
in china with very questionable work ethics. What has Steve done against
the suicides happening there?
I think it is safe to say that it is reasonably well known that the suicide rate for Foxconn employees is less than the national average of China or even the USA, so you could actually say that working at Foxconn you have a statistically lower chance of committing suicide. But I wouldn't necessarily attribute that to Steve, but by your logic I guess you could.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/...-foxconn-significantly-cuts-suicide-risk/1356

http://www.peopleforum.cn/viewthread.php?tid=20629

http://www.edibleapple.com/2010/05/...but-statistics-indicate-there-isnt-a-problem/
 
I doubt I would have liked Steve Jobs if I had met him, or worked for him at Apple.

However, he's still a man who achieved a lot of great things in his life, and I respected him a lot. I'll probably never read Steve's biography, but I'm so glad I read Mona's eulogy. It was incredibly touching, and I almost cried. :(



Swift said:
I have no idea what Steve meant by his last words. Nor does anyone.

But my favorite idea is that he was visualizing his one more thing...

Too bad he won't be doing that anymore.

I understood that last paragraph to mean that Steve knew he was about to die, he saw the "light" (I'm not religious), and that was his reaction.
 
And what are Acer,Intel,Cisco,Dell, Hewlett-Packard,Nintendo,Nokia,Sony and Motorola - among others - doing about the working conditions in China ? You DO realise that Foxconn manufacture for these companies as well ?

which is the standard excuse for doing nothing by yourself?
Apple always told us they are the first doing this or that ....
would just been "insanely great" "one more thing to do" as the first one.
With that high visibility in the computing business of Apple, that would have been a real insanely great step for changing something

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I think it is safe to say that it is reasonably well known that the suicide rate for Foxconn employees is less than the national average of China or even the USA, so you could actually say that working at Foxconn you have a statistically lower chance of committing suicide. But I wouldn't necessarily attribute that to Steve, but by your logic I guess you could.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/...-foxconn-significantly-cuts-suicide-risk/1356

http://www.peopleforum.cn/viewthread.php?tid=20629

http://www.edibleapple.com/2010/05/...but-statistics-indicate-there-isnt-a-problem/

so, you're saying to exhaust profits is the major goal which excuses everything as long as you can find a statistic that proofs that?
 
Quite touching and so true. We really need to appreciate our time and really go for life. Steve Jobs is an emblem of that and unfortunately he was taken too young but his legacy will live on
 
I doubt I would have liked Steve Jobs if I had met him, or worked for him at Apple.

However, he's still a man who achieved a lot of great things in his life, and I respected him a lot. I'll probably never read Steve's biography, but I'm so glad I read Mona's eulogy. It was incredibly touching, and I almost cried. :(





I understood that last paragraph to mean that Steve knew he was about to die, he saw the "light" (I'm not religious), and that was his reaction.

Sorry for the bump everyone, but I think you should read the bio :) You can see how he thought during his earlier 'crazier' years and it makes me look at him in a different light. It's almost as if his youthful passion and temper has carried continued through his life and it's kind of endearing as you can see the characteristics of young Steve Jobs up until his death.
 
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