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[A] The Agency - GAME OVER -- SPIES WIN
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Moyank24
macrumors 601
I was definitely confused by Don't Panic's "plan" because we didn't have the numbers to NAY every vote but I was outed at that point.
I was actually trying to continue with the game in trying to decide who you should choose to use the open up with. I'm LOL'ing at myself right now. I was like, ok, maybe he knows more than I do. 😱
Queen of Spades
macrumors 68030
I'm sorry, who are you again? 😛 I don't believe I know you. I hope you feel a little bit bad in continuously, and unrelentingly trying to screw me over in these games.
I hope we win simply because it'd be hilarious and the majority of this game just pissed me the hell off. But I am kicking myself for ever doubting my instincts again. And my first attempt at a team construction was 100% Agent. The exact kind of luck we needed and did not get all game.
Moyank24
macrumors 601
Of course I feel bad. And it's one of the reasons why I didn't put up an argument when you said you never trust me. I get it! Believe me, I would much rather be an agent. There's really not many ways to play a spy without some type of deceit and lying.
Queen of Spades
macrumors 68030
No, I know that. That was borne out of frustration of being left in the middle of you and DP's victory lap alone, and the grind that was this game. I was just really frustrated. It was mainly in reference to DP. I have a soft spot for him, like you, and felt he was a little aggressive with me at some points. So much so that it made me believe he was an Agent after I had concluded he was the spy, which I guess worked as a strategy. His methods work, though, so he's obviously better at this game than I am.
Can't wait to see what @twietee posts. 😀
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mscriv
macrumors 601
Wait, so you are saying that the only team that will win the game for the agents at this point is the one you have posted above?!?
Hmmm.... I can't shake the feeling that those names look familiar.
Oh yeah, that's the exact team I laid out back in post #863 when I posted a game winning strategy for us. Huh, imagine that. 😱
Sadly, only twietee believed me. 🙁
I'd like to think that my analysis at lease scared the heck out of the spies. I had you jokers I just couldn't convince my fellow agents to go along and for the life of me I still don't understand why.
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twietee
macrumors 603
The only sad part is that I came here, saw QoS following me and thought she did it because we're friends now. 😳
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Great fight you put in girl! Thumbs up.
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Great fight you put in girl! Thumbs up.
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Queen of Spades
macrumors 68030
Queen of Spades
macrumors 68030
We are friends. You had me when I was pissed at you and you kindly called me Cherie. 😉 Just remember I get annoyed because I care!
twietee
macrumors 603
I saw you called TechG "darling" after that. Aren't we some extremely kind bunch of agents?
Maybe incompetent but kind nonetheless. 😉
#kindnessmatters
Queen of Spades
macrumors 68030
Well, some people chose to believe DP of all people over me! I can't think of anything more insulting. 😛
Don't panic
macrumors 603
I must say i am truly appalled by the lack of sportmanship transpiring.
Wow.
I really didn't expect it from you guys.
Well, keep patting yourself on the back and enjoy the rest of the games.
Wow.
I really didn't expect it from you guys.
Well, keep patting yourself on the back and enjoy the rest of the games.
twietee
macrumors 603
hmmm, not so kind of you to say such a thing, DP.
It's not our fault you had to celebrate too early and that ravenvii (no offense) hinted at the back door before the dust settled and everybody (fenris, QoS and mscriv in particular) could have gotten a good, strong coffee and think this through. It wasn't technically over you know that.
For me, I don't really care. It feels like a stupid excercise now but it's a good thing you guys can't boast too much. 😉
It's not our fault you had to celebrate too early and that ravenvii (no offense) hinted at the back door before the dust settled and everybody (fenris, QoS and mscriv in particular) could have gotten a good, strong coffee and think this through. It wasn't technically over you know that.
For me, I don't really care. It feels like a stupid excercise now but it's a good thing you guys can't boast too much. 😉
mscriv
macrumors 601
I think we can all agree that this game is pretty much over. I don't like how it ended in terms of the rush to victory when other players were not online. I think we need to consider a way to account for the nature of it being an online game while at the same time there being some kind of deadlines or system to allow players a chance to participate. If I'm honest as well, @Don't panic, I applaud your play throughout the game except for blowing up the ending. I'm not quite sure that's exactly noble play in and of itself. I'm not talking about the rushing thing, but the "we've won, no need to even play out the last round". That could be interpreted as disrespectful to both your fellow players and to the GG who is running the game. I'm sure you didn't intend it that way, but I'm just being honest about how it came across to me.
At this point, I think the best thing we can do is open up the thread to any discussion regarding balance and tweaking so that we can give @ravenvii feedback on possible adjustments.
Don't panic
macrumors 603
Yes it was over, in the same way a WW game is over when villagers and WW are tied 1-1.
While in principle the villager could 'vote first' we don't do it because to reduce the game to who clicks first after the deadline is, well, idiotic
It was over the second the nc card came out
While in principle the villager could 'vote first' we don't do it because to reduce the game to who clicks first after the deadline is, well, idiotic
It was over the second the nc card came out
mscriv
macrumors 601
I agree and think you did a good job with strategy in going after the win by getting 5 nays in a row. However, when it comes to game dynamics like that it's the GG's job to narrate and moderate the game. In the WW example you used, at least in the games I played, once that 1-1 ratio was reached the GG would announce that the game had ended in a WW victory. I respect you as a player and count you as a MR friend. We've faced off many a time in these kinds of games. Win gracefully friend, that's all I'm saying.
Congrats! Well played. @FenrisMoonlight was your best weapon. 😀 😉 😛
FenrisMoonlight
macrumors 6502a
If you want to be like that - a sportsman wouldn't claim a win - he'd have waited for his opponent to concede gracefully. I think QoS had but mscriv and twietee certainly hadn't as they hadn't been online. If anyone of us had realized we could use the same tactic against you without ravenvii saying anything I think the agents would have deserved to pull a win out of it. As it is we'll never know for sure what would have happened.
I admit my first thought was - its DP - he must be right but I was already thinking that tactic works both ways if all agents can be online at the same time before ravenvii mentioned it. However, I was also considering the game over because you'd effectively revealed yourself outside the game as being the spy but it was one of the things I was going to bring up as a needed rule change for future games.
I think the 'mission' period needs to have a deadline and a sequence order of events like we have for WW night time so that you don't have to be online 24/7 or ensure your online when the vote is completed.
Also, as I mentioned before I think the mission votes should be sent to the GG in secret and revealed all at once. It's more in keeping with the RL game where the votes are made simultaneously in public - it means a spy can't hide by not voting or voting against other spies if they see the vote trend is going one way and we have votes from everyone for each round. It makes my voting script useless but I can live with that! 😀
I was initially of the opinion that we needed an absolute clear but after this game I don't think we do - I think it would probably lose some of the intrigue. It would probably be worth considering the Avalon variant where you have Merlin who knows who all but 1 of the evil guys are and Mordred the one evil guy that Merlin doesn't know. Merlin can try to guide the good guys but if Mordred can guess who Merlin is its an instant win for the evil guys.
mscriv
macrumors 601
I think I need to say something as the resident therapist of the group and I'm being 100% serious here.
This has been an extremely emotional game, but let's not allow that to get the best of us no matter how it ended. I believe that we enjoy these games not just because they are challenging and fun, but also because we enjoy the interaction with our fellow MR friends. Let's keep respect for each other primary here and not forget that our relationships are more important than any game.
This has been an extremely emotional game, but let's not allow that to get the best of us no matter how it ended. I believe that we enjoy these games not just because they are challenging and fun, but also because we enjoy the interaction with our fellow MR friends. Let's keep respect for each other primary here and not forget that our relationships are more important than any game.
Queen of Spades
macrumors 68030
I have no problems conceding this one. It would have been funny to see if we could win it, but for all intents and purposes it was over. Although I would have loved to post more "celebrating before it's over" gifs. 😀
I think this the sole reason I play, honestly. Which is why sometimes the betrayals sting, even though it's just a dumb (fun) game. This game, in particular, was rough for whatever reason. Mea culpa if I was really bitter at the end. It's just very frustrating and it definitely got to me. I think you're all rad.
As to game play, I'll have to think about it. I think there's a tendency for the losing side to want to overcompensate. I want a chance to consider it when I've had some sleep. I will say I have no answer for the non-participation problem, which is something we've all at one time or another taken umbrage with. It affects the game plain and simple, and those moments where mscriv, twietee, Fenris, and I were squaring off really stand out to me post-game.
I think this the sole reason I play, honestly. Which is why sometimes the betrayals sting, even though it's just a dumb (fun) game. This game, in particular, was rough for whatever reason. Mea culpa if I was really bitter at the end. It's just very frustrating and it definitely got to me. I think you're all rad.
As to game play, I'll have to think about it. I think there's a tendency for the losing side to want to overcompensate. I want a chance to consider it when I've had some sleep. I will say I have no answer for the non-participation problem, which is something we've all at one time or another taken umbrage with. It affects the game plain and simple, and those moments where mscriv, twietee, Fenris, and I were squaring off really stand out to me post-game.
FenrisMoonlight
macrumors 6502a
LOL. Thanks I think.
It's what I was most afraid of - Moyank was the most dangerous person to be a spy due to the possibility of taking the no confidence and I was pretty sure that if DP was the spy, Moyank was their 4th. I had originally thought you were the primary spy because I didn't think we would have 3 spies the same as the aborted game but there were a few things that came out after my accusation of you made me switch to believing it was DP but I didn't want DP to think I'd switched until after Moyanks team was out of the way.
FenrisMoonlight
macrumors 6502a
Yeah agreed. It was a fun game but its just a game. I'll flame you later! Kidding!!! 😛
FenrisMoonlight
macrumors 6502a
Unfortunately its the nature of these games since they can be pretty competitive that and most people are going to do whatever they can to win. Sorry for suspecting you for a while.
As for changes only the 2 I already mentioned I think would be useful.
1) Changing how the mission vote works to make everyone vote - so your forcing force participation in the vote if nothing else.
2) Do something to allow for people not being online when the mission starts. Probably the easiest would be to make it like the WW nighttime with a time allowed for votes and any other plot moves.
A lot of us thought there needed to be an absolute clear before the game started but after playing this time, I don't think that's needed and would be overcompensating too much in the agents favour. I think we were a little unlucky with how the plots came out this time - possibly twisting random.org's arm and making it not come out with 2 of them same plot in a turn would be a good idea.
Later on I think considering the Avalon variant with Merlin/Mordred would be fun.
mscriv
macrumors 601
Is that your way of saying you want to revisit those worthless mission 1 statistics you kept quoting. 😱 😀 😉
FenrisMoonlight
macrumors 6502a
Sure - my new calculations say there's there's a 101% chance your an agent! 😛