iPhone X A11 vs A12 Bionic

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  1. Kurkumacek macrumors newbie

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    Hi friends, I have the iPhone X and I enjoy a performance but A12 Bionic will be much better than A11 in my X. Should I upgrade to new iPhone XS for performance?
     
  2. Thai macrumors 65816

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    60 FPS gaming is nice...but more than anything, SUSTAINED performance is A12's killer feature. Smart HDR is game-changer for both pics and video.

    Or you can just want 7 more months for A13.
     
  3. Disconnect_00 Suspended

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    Do you find performance lacking in the X?

    Do you have the financial security to upgrade?

    Would you rather upgrade now, rather than wait for the next model?

    If yes to all of the above, upgrade. If no to any of them, don’t.
     
  4. I7guy macrumors Core

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    It’s a worthy upgrade. Expense aside, I would do it.
     
  5. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    Your Post doesn’t tell anyone anything, because it depends how are you using your phone that you would actually even be able to differentiate the notable performance differences between the A11 and A12 processors. Specifically, what performances/advantages do you think you would benefit from the A12 versus A11?
     
  6. AppleHaterLover macrumors 68000

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    Day-to-day difference would be negligible, the battery is only rated to last 30 minutes longer than iPhone X.

    Like they said, it’s only a few more months, or you could get a Max.
     
  7. tt061282 macrumors regular

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    Not sure what we’re trying to get to here, but I’ll take a stab at it.

    The A11 lacks nowhere, but the A12 is an obviously better chipset. However performance on the A11 is not bad. 60 FPS gaming is good on the A12, but you won’t notice a HUGE difference
     
  8. Kurkumacek thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I think running apps and games much faster and much better graphics.
     
  9. MacLappy macrumors 6502

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    At this point we are almost 5 months into the current iPhone cycle, would probably make more sense to wait for the next iPhone, if your X is still in good working condition.
     
  10. Steve121178 macrumors 601

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    No. You won't notice hardly any difference. Hardly any difference is not worth >£1000.
     
  11. cableguy84 macrumors 65816

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    The a11 is still ahead of a lot of chips on the market even now.
     
  12. Seanm87 macrumors 6502

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    I went from a10 to a12 and noticed literally no difference
     
  13. Knowlege Bomb macrumors 603

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    I went from A11 to A12 and also noticed no difference. I consider myself a casual user.
     
  14. JCCL macrumors 6502a

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    Apps run pretty much the same........Games marginally better, and they have updated to really take advantage of it (for example Fortnite, which added a 60fps mode for the A12 devices). So far, these updated games are really rare.
     
  15. Thai macrumors 65816

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    So, you never used the camera?

    Boy, lots of you never used the camera on the XS?? Wow.
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    It is not just 60 FPS, but SUSTAINED GAMING without dropping frames. With my old X, after a several minutes of gaming, you can see frame dropping and a few lag.
     
  16. Knowlege Bomb macrumors 603

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    Of course I use the camera but I'm not an enthusiast so the differences really don't matter that much to me. People seem to forget what we used for cameras even five short years ago. Going from that to a X or a XS would be noticeable. X to XS, not so much.
     
  17. Thai macrumors 65816

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    One could argue that there is not much difference from 2013 to 2017 in camera performance.........because they used the same sensor size!! I would bet that color saturation aside and maybe noise reduction, there is not much difference b/w iPhone 5s and iPhone X in pic quality.

    For me, i was disappointed with X camera performance when i had it. It was not any better than my old 7+...and 5S before that.

    iPHone XS has Smart HDR (requires A12) which brings out shadow details and control the highlights...something that was not done before. THEN you add in a much bigger camera sensor size in the XS.

    The difference IS noticeable if you ever compare side by side.

    See:

    Go to around 4:40 in the video.
     
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    Clearly not noticeable enough to stick out to me.
     
  20. teknikal90 macrumors 68040

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    a lot of it is also hype, which is fun to follow, but not really objectively better. Tyler Stallman is a gear head and is a fine photographer, of course the details people generally consider small, are 'huge' to him.
    Smart HDR is great but at some point it stops mattering. It's not life changing, you can capture everything that you can on the Xs on the X. Conversely, there isn't a photo that only the XS can capture.. Like you said, when the 5S came out, the quality got to a really good point. Anything above that are relatively minor upgrades.

    On youtube a few months ago there was a huge crowd A/B test on various phone cameras, ranging from the $250 phones to the iPhone X to the iPhone XS Max. The Xs Max was beaten in the first round. Not saying it's the worst camera, but phones are now getting to a point, where they're all good enough.
     
  21. Thai macrumors 65816

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    Here’s another:

    And this is at the beginning...Smart HDR has been refined since that video. And then you add in Smart HDR in 4k30...icing on the cake!

    But yeah, if camera performance is not your cup of tea, then you won’t see difference.

    My wife has no camera skills/knowledge...but she immediately saw difference b/w XS in Apple Store and my X (at that time) from just a random pic while at the store.
     
  22. Relentless Power macrumors Penryn

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    Even the A10 Fusion from the iPhone 7 is still ahead of some ‘Smart phones’, Apples processors Have always been very efficient and excel with performance over the competition.
     
  23. Thai macrumors 65816

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    Apple is ahead of everyone in CPU.

    But their GPU is very good, but Qualcomm chips do rival it. A11 GPU was not that much better (if at all depending on which benchmarks you look at) than S845. And same goes for A10 and S835 GPU.

    What Apple did with A12 GPU is really separating it from everyone else, including Qualcomm. For example, on most GPU benchmarks, S855 (newest Qualcomm for 2019 flagships) GPU at PEAK performance only matches A12 at sustained performance!! If you compare peak vs peak, A12 absolutely destroys S855 by a HUGE margin.

    And this is why Apple spent a whole segment detailing how good A12 is. Even in 2019, it is in a league of its own...destroying pretty much every mobile chip in CPU and GPU for the next year or more.
     
  24. Kram Sacul macrumors 6502

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    You can get the very similar results on the X if you force HDR. You can get even better results by using a camera app that has RAW capabilities. The only real advantage that the Xs has is in video capture with its expanded dynamic range and stereo sound recording.
     
  25. teknikal90 macrumors 68040

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    I'm admittedly not a photo pro but I am a hobbyist. So I definitely appreciate camera improvements and don't deny there are improvements across the board from X to Xs. I do think, even in the video you showed above, that they're minor. As I said, there's nothing that the Xs can capture than the X can't.
    Highlights and shadows can be saved on the X if you force HDR (which I always do on my shots).
    iPhone 2019 will in turn 'blow the Xs out of the water' by some people (your) standards. But I expect it will be, again, relatively minor.
     

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