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A20 and A20 Pro Chips (2nm) Expected to Debut in These iPhone Models

now i see it said:
New processors are dandy but whatever TSMC giveth, the future OS will taketh away.
This maxim has been true since the advent of personal computing.
The original slogan decades ago was, "What itel giveth, Microsoft taketh away"
i.e. .. faster new processor but slower new OS
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I haven't wanted for more speed on my phone since the iPhone 6. These things all feel lightning fast for years now
 
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Apple silicon is on fire. That is the heart of innovation and they are head and shoulders above the rest. More of this, less follow the loser on failed platforms and trinkets like foldable phones or "glass-hole" glasses. That's not innovation. That's follow the loser.
 
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rp2011 said:
Apple silicon is on fire. That is the heart of innovation and they are head and shoulders above the rest. More of this, less follow the loser on failed platforms and trinkets like foldable phones or "glass-hole" glasses. That's not innovation. That's follow the loser.
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ChatGPT:


Short answer: Yes — the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite is finally very close to — and in some metrics is even exceeding — the latest Apple A19 Pro (and earlier Apple chips) in performance.





Here are some key details to unpack so you can see what “caught up” really means:














✅ Where Snapdragon has caught up / overtaken








  • In multi-core CPU benchmarks, the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 (the newer version) has posted numbers that match or even slightly beat the A19 Pro. For example, one listing shows Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 scored ~11,525 in Geekbench vs ~11,054 for the A19 Pro.
  • Against older Apple chips (e.g., A18, A18 Pro) the Snapdragon 8 Elite already had significant margins in many benchmarks (AnTuTu & multi-core) showing stronger hardware in certain specs.
  • In memory bandwidth and GPU / floating point strengths the Snapdragon series often pulled ahead in raw spec comparisons. For example, in one comparison the Snapdragon 8 Elite (Gen 4) showed higher memory bandwidth.
















❗ Where Apple still retains advantages








  • Single-core CPU performance (which matters a lot for everyday snappiness) still tends to favour Apple. For example, some data show Apple’s chip leading in single-core Geekbench.
  • Efficiency, thermals, ecosystem optimisation: Apple’s tight integration of hardware + software gives an advantage in real-world use (battery, sustained performance) which raw numbers don’t always capture.
  • Real-world GPU / graphics / ray-tracing may still favour Apple in some workloads: e.g., one article said the A19 Pro “excels on a heavy ray-tracing benchmark … Snapdragon 8 Elite is significantly weaker there.”
















🔍 My verdict








So, to answer your question: Yes — the Snapdragon 8 Elite has essentially “caught up” in many performance metrics and is a serious competitor to Apple’s flagship chips.


But: it’s not a clear, across‐the‐board dominant win in every category yet. Apple still holds some edges, especially in single‐core performance/efficiency and ecosystem benefits.
 
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N0ughtsAndCr0sses said:
ChatGPT:


Short answer: Yes — the Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite is finally very close to — and in some metrics is even exceeding — the latest Apple A19 Pro (and earlier Apple chips) in performance.





Here are some key details to unpack so you can see what “caught up” really means:














✅ Where Snapdragon has caught up / overtaken








  • In multi-core CPU benchmarks, the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 (the newer version) has posted numbers that match or even slightly beat the A19 Pro. For example, one listing shows Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 scored ~11,525 in Geekbench vs ~11,054 for the A19 Pro.
  • Against older Apple chips (e.g., A18, A18 Pro) the Snapdragon 8 Elite already had significant margins in many benchmarks (AnTuTu & multi-core) showing stronger hardware in certain specs.
  • In memory bandwidth and GPU / floating point strengths the Snapdragon series often pulled ahead in raw spec comparisons. For example, in one comparison the Snapdragon 8 Elite (Gen 4) showed higher memory bandwidth.
















❗ Where Apple still retains advantages








  • Single-core CPU performance (which matters a lot for everyday snappiness) still tends to favour Apple. For example, some data show Apple’s chip leading in single-core Geekbench.
  • Efficiency, thermals, ecosystem optimisation: Apple’s tight integration of hardware + software gives an advantage in real-world use (battery, sustained performance) which raw numbers don’t always capture.
  • Real-world GPU / graphics / ray-tracing may still favour Apple in some workloads: e.g., one article said the A19 Pro “excels on a heavy ray-tracing benchmark … Snapdragon 8 Elite is significantly weaker there.”
















🔍 My verdict








So, to answer your question: Yes — the Snapdragon 8 Elite has essentially “caught up” in many performance metrics and is a serious competitor to Apple’s flagship chips.


But: it’s not a clear, across‐the‐board dominant win in every category yet. Apple still holds some edges, especially in single‐core performance/efficiency and ecosystem benefits.
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That was a long winded way to agree that Apple is ahead.

Qualcomm with former Apple Silicon employees are getting closer sure, but Apple is still ahead and is going to take some of the Qualcomm wireless modem chips monopoly as the go forward too.

Competition is a wonderful thing!
 
Taq'aix said:
The iPhone Fold will meet the same fate as the iPhone Air, commercial failure driven by misreading market demand.
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Making a note to check back in a year or two to see how your prediction turned out.
 
Taq'aix said:
The iPhone Fold will meet the same fate as the iPhone Air, commercial failure driven by misreading market demand.
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The iPhone air will not end up being a failure because of this going forward the line up will naturally be the iPhone 16E then iPhone AIR and 18 PRO max and then fold this removing the base 18 model and that’s what they will do as then it will naturally push the prices up for customers
 
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The Pro models and foldable will get the Pro chip and the base 18 will get the base chip later on. The Air might be refreshed only in 2027.
 
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Jf you want to know when A20 Pro and A20 will be launched for iPhones 18, I have just copied the text character by character

Apple is expected to split up its iPhone launches starting next year.

The following new iPhone models are expected to be released in September 2026:

  • iPhone 18 Pro
  • iPhone 18 Pro Max
  • iPhone Fold
It is not entirely clear if there will be a second-generation iPhone Air, but if there is, that device would presumably also be released in September 2026.

The following models are expected to follow around March 2027:

  • iPhone 18e
  • iPhone 18
If so, the A20 Pro chip would be announced next year, and the A20 chip would follow in 2027.

I read this and it agrees with what I am speculating...
 
JosephAW said:
Why are they not calling this the A27 chip? 🤔

At some point they’re gonna reach the physical limitations of the technology and they won’t be able to advance to a smaller die size. Will the following iterations increase the number?
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We are a couple of decades away from that problem, at which point they will start stacking.
 
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