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A7 Processor to Be 31% Faster and 64-Bit, iPhone 5S to Support Motion Tracking?
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MR is posting this on a Fox News report........ right.
64 bit would be a great way to go since we are already at the 1-2GB of RAM mark on the ARM systems. Eventually when we hit the 4GB of RAM mark on the devices, we will HAVE to switch to 64 bit architecture to address more RAM. The 5S will have motion tracking regardless but a separate chip sounds a little on the odd side. As users, I hope we get iOS in 64 bit as well as base apps in 64 bit so everything runs smoother. Past that, 3rd party developers will have to start supporting 64 bit which will make iOS a major mobile operating system contending for more advanced apps just like a x86/x64 system.
64 bit would be a great way to go since we are already at the 1-2GB of RAM mark on the ARM systems. Eventually when we hit the 4GB of RAM mark on the devices, we will HAVE to switch to 64 bit architecture to address more RAM. The 5S will have motion tracking regardless but a separate chip sounds a little on the odd side. As users, I hope we get iOS in 64 bit as well as base apps in 64 bit so everything runs smoother. Past that, 3rd party developers will have to start supporting 64 bit which will make iOS a major mobile operating system contending for more advanced apps just like a x86/x64 system.
here is a fact for you.
Only 10% of android users use large screen phones
http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
The percentage of iphone users who'd want a bigger phone would likely be even smaller than that. Personally, I'll never buy a phone bigger than the current iphone. I want easy one handed operation, thank you. On the other hand, fingerprint scanner would be a very nice feature to have.
Mind you, I'll take longer battery life over fingerprint scanner any time.
Hopefully this means they are improving battery life by sacrificing some speed gains.. my iPhone is already fast enough. Battery life is more important at this point.
This a joke? 31% is nothing but a mild 150-200mhz speed bump to the existing a6 soc.
Clock the a6 to 1.4ghz and there is your 31% performance boost while the snapdragon 800 is clocking at 2.3ghz with 4 cores.
Samsung has also worked directly with arm to redo the exynos octa and are calling it evolved and did this all in one gen jump.
The 5s is going to have one hell of a battle going up against the snapdragon 800 and the updated exynos evolved soc
Let me give you a little heads up what this little pathetic dual core chip is going up against when the 5s comes out.
The new lg phone with quad HD or 2500x1600 or what ever it is with almost 600 PPI running a snapdragon 800 and the note 3 rocking a 1080p screen with a evolved octo core running 3gb of ram.
So 31% is nothing to be joyful about lol
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You are right yet at the same time the move to the 64bit architecture as well as improved gpu speed could make for incredible gains.
The ARMv8 instruction set as well as multithreading could see the performance go through the roof while maintaining battery.
Apple isn't trying to get into a spec war but an experience war and remember its here that Apple has always won. Every Android vendor has transitioned to snapdragon 800 quad core which is great, but if we know you think Apple doesn't.
I'm sorry but if you think the 5s is going to have a new instruction set arch and be nothing more then a slightly faster clocked a6 I don't know what to tell you.
What good is multithreading when you only have 2 cores? And no its not moving to 64 bit because all of the ios7 betas would of shown the coding for it and they would be wasting time beta testing it on the a6 soc.
The new evolved exynos has fixed the octo core to be able to run all 8 cores at will and key lime pie will take full advantage of multi threading
Nope. A simple arithmetic would show a 31% clock boost will be 400mhz extra clockspeed, which puts the A7 at 1.7ghz.
Looks like you didn't read the original Tweet. It says "(A7 is) running at about 31% faster than A6", there's nothing that indicates the number of cores A7 or what 31% actually refers to. My guess is that's almost surely the clockspeed of the chip, nothing to do with the final performance since we do not know the IPC performance, the number of cores, memory bandwidth, etc.
That's so wrong I don't know where to begin. The LG just released a demo of a new high density display and it won't be on a shipping product this year, not to mention at that point you seriously question the utility of pixel density.
By "evolved octo core" you mean the chip Samsung themselves will reportedly not going to use right away with the Note 3? Report: Samsung will initially launch only Snapdragon 800 variant of Galaxy Note III
I really have to blame Macrumors for shoddy sensationalist writing here. If you read the original material carefully, there's nothing that indicates "A7 Processor to Be 31% Faster". But they must be loving those mouse clicks and ad views.
I have a suspicion that with most mobile software, especially given that these days the GPU takes a lot of load for GUIs, quad core, let alone octa cores, might be a bit too much. If someone could cram a phone with a much faster dual core, I suspect that phone might feel faster in real usage. But Apple themselves often give in to marketable buzz techs so if they move onto quadcore, not much we can do about it.
You have to read carefully. It seems to me, definition of normal size in android cover screen from 3.7" to 4.7".
That may have been the case in previous iOS 7 betas but in the current beta it's quick and smooth. Any lag people mention is deliberate. The animations take longer because apple wants them too. They're smooth as butter on my 5.
Ios 7 betas would not show a clue about 64bit because not 1 iPhone before had a 64bit processor.
Running 8 cores at will is fine and all but its all based on architecture that is not optimized for it. While key lime pie may very well give them this it would still be running a 32bit system. If it is one advantage Apple has over its rivals is in the basis that it designed IOS from the beginning off of a 64bit system.
The hardware was not available to run it now that it is they can. It's not how many cores you have but how much and how fast you can push the instructions through them. Multithreading as well as ddr3 ram will help them accomplish this.
Yet in the end it all boils down to the experience the end user sees. If Apple can use to cores and get similar performance from them while using less power I'm all for it. Bigger isn't always better.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6420/arms-cortex-a57-and-cortex-a53-the-first-64bit-armv8-cpu-cores
Here you go great reading
Which one? Android isn't a phone its an OS so you are trying to bunch hundreds of phones into a simplified statement when its much more complex than that.
They said 31% performance boost and nowhere did they mention a 31% clock speed boost so for now we must think the whole package deal is a 31% boost over the 1.2ghz clocked a6. For all we know its the same exact a6 just clocked 150-200 MHz faster to give it that magic 31% boost number.
When did I say the new qhd screen is coming this year? I think everyone here knows that phone will go head to head with the galaxy s5 and again apple is being left in the dark as they have given up the spec wars and screen size and are doing its own thing.
The reason everyone is using the snapdragon 800 is because Qualcomm owns the rights to 4g LTE and they put the newest modems built into the snapdragon socs and for Samsung to hit all the markets needs to use there socs to get the latest efficient LTE modem.
The exynos evolved will come out on a note 3 in some markets just like the galaxy s4 got the octo core in some markets and Samsung even went out if there way to put a separate LTE chip in one version of it to be able to get LTE with it.
That reminds me of something I saw when Jobs was talking about design, and he was like "The issue is people don't know what they want until they see it".
Anyway, I don't get why people complain. You don't have to buy the iPhone, but if you do, wouldn't any speed boost be worth it?
Maybe you should read up on linux and android kernel and see how its arch works.ohh and just so you know android right now supports multithreading and my galaxy s4 I'm typing this on is using ddr3 ram.
That little tid bit at the end with the new armv8 instruction set made me laugh out loud man,thanks I needed that! Do you really think apple is going to go from a cortex a9 based arch and skip a15(big little) and go directly to the next next gen that even arm and Samsung that work together making a15 and don't even have that working right yet in the 5s? Ohh and only get a 31% increase of performance when in fact going to true 64 bit will double its performance and a15 alone is over 40% faster then a9 arch
Rumor has is that apple signed a new deal with Samsung for a8 socs and you can bet your iPhone that is when you will see arms 64 bit soc in an iOS device and of course it will be built by Samsung since they are working together now with arm to get a15 done right.
This is taken right out of your anandtech site witch is just saying what a57 is like and not a working soc but the funny part is the a57 is 30% faster then a15 clock for clock in 32bit mode and even faster in 64 bit.
So do you really think apple is going to use a57 in the 5s when its only 31% faster and that 31% is still not even close to a15 performance?
In your article they mention the a57 being 3x faster then a9 so if apple said 331% faster then a6 I would think it had a true next gen 64 bit arm core running armv8
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Did you seriously just post that ridiculous link?
You can use a 5" screen if you are a grown man without girly hands, which is why apple will cater to you people with a 4" device.
However for us real men who have huge hands, a 4" device is simply too small.
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The s4 fits easily into any pocket. I'm not telling apple to make a phone with a 6" screen
That's BS. Ever play Smurf's Village? That app has to make so many compromises because of the lack of ram it isn't funny.
Android users are salty.
Man I've never even been to an Android forum let alone sign up to one. Is there even a forum for Android? lol
The WAAAMBULANCES are out in droves tonight! Must be an emergency or something. heh heh
Keep Calm... and buy an iPhone already kids.
Man I've never even been to an Android forum let alone sign up to one. Is there even a forum for Android? lol
The WAAAMBULANCES are out in droves tonight! Must be an emergency or something. heh heh
Keep Calm... and buy an iPhone already kids.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/smartphone-screen-size-users-want-4-inchers_n_1347619.html
Amen. I wouldn't mind a larger screen than the 4-inch variety. But I know the Windows crowd for years has bragged about "bigger" screens by making them of inferior quality. I have a 15-inch Gateway notebook. I mean the literal screen size is 15 inches diagonal, but the resolution is nowhere near the 15-inch MacBook Pro. So I have larger, blurrier stuff than if I had maybe a 13-inch MacBook Air.
I'm guessing that next year Apple will probably release a phone with a 4.5-4.8-inch screen if the quality can be as good as the 4-inch screen. Maybe the whole S/C differential will be screen size. That way at least the "WAAAAAH MY SCREEN'S TOO SMALL" crowd might ****.
ok, you do have a point here.
A link on that page leads here:
http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html
where it's sort of explained how they define screen sizes but I have a hard time translating this into precise inch measurements as they separate the categories by dp's and not by the diagonal inch sizes. It does looks to me that by "normal" size they mean something around 4 inches diagonally, including slightly bigger phones as you say. But I don't know how you got that 4.7" number. Care to elaborate?
Still, upon more careful examination I see that they are including tablets here (extra large screens are definitely tablets according to their definitions). So we should certainly throw them out of consideration when talking about phones only which should make the percentage of android phone users using large screen phones even smaller than that 10% figure I mentioned previously.
Oh please explain smarty pants
MHz scaling is not directly performance % scaling.like apple clocking the a6 10% faster clocks =10% faster performance it will scale a lot higher especially with the amount of instruction per clock the a6 does