iPad A8X fast as?

[Erasmus]

Last point is useless, as iOS is not equal to an actual desktop operating system. There are some thing iOS does well, but actual desktop apps is not one thing it does at all.

So basically, you want a tablet to be able to do everything a notebook can do, but you don't want to get a notebook. Do you see the problem with this logic?

A MBP isn't in the same category as a Surface. But gasp the surface is still powerful enough for most laptop and tablet considerations. In fact, MBP's are consider very high end to begin with so many laptops won't be able to compare. Consider reviewing the current market and specs of other devices before continuing.

You cannot combine a notebook and tablet without compromise somewhere, whether it's cost, battery, size, weight, power, etc.

QED A Surface, even when compared with an Macbook Air, is very much so a full grade laptop as well as having stylus and tablet input. So that isn't exactly gimped.

Except that the MBA is a gimped notebook too...

 

[urda]

You cannot combine a notebook and tablet without compromise somewhere, whether it's cost, battery, size, weight, power, etc

Except that isn't true at all, heck even look how Apple can shrink devices without losing power, sometimes even gaining. That's such a false idea it isn't even funny, progress have you heard of it?

What it does express to me that you have literally no idea what you're talking about, and I simply won't bother with a poster who can't even bring up real talking points. Jog on son.

 

[Erasmus]

Except that isn't true at all, heck even look how Apple can shrink devices without losing power, sometimes even gaining. That's such a false idea it isn't even funny, progress have you heard of it?

Right, so now we're comparing different devices from different years??? Because Apple can make a thinner, faster product in 2014 than it could in 2013, means that a Surface Pro is as good as both a tablet, and a notebook???

What it does express to me that you have literally no idea what you're talking about, and I simply won't bother with a poster who can't even bring up real talking points. Jog on son.

Just because you dismiss perfectly valid points doesn't make them invalid. The Surface Pro is an awkward combination of a tablet and a notebook, and is not as good as either. And just because some company makes a niche product, doesn't mean Apple automatically has to make a product specifically to compete with it. The iPad and their notebook range seem to be competing with the Surface just fine.

 

[osofast240sx]

The K1 is tablet only so that should be just one indication to how powerful it is, the 32bit version has a quad core CPU and the 64bit version is dual core.

The K1 btw is in the Nexus 9 and it beats(I believe) the Intel HD 4400! an integrated GPU gets destroyed by a tablet GPU which blew my mind. Some info on it here


Furthermore the K1 isn't amazingly more powerful CPU wise compared to the A7 but damn, in GPU performance it just beats ANYTHING on the market as this shows

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Nope the regular A8 gets beat by the K1 but the A8X is much more powerful than the A8 so that will be a very interesting comparison between the A8X and the K1.

what good are bench test? in real world test 99% will not see a difference. lets not just look at one sentence in a book! lets look at the whole book!

 

[ha1o2surfer]

According to the results here the K1 is a step ahead.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8559/iphone-6-and-iphone-6-plus-preliminary-results

 

[TechGod]

what good are bench test? in real world test 99% will not see a difference. lets not just look at one sentence in a book! lets look at the whole book!

Why not? This is interesting stuff.

 

[Piggie]

what good are bench test? in real world test 99% will not see a difference. lets not just look at one sentence in a book! lets look at the whole book!

I agree about bench tests to a point, but it really depends on the test.

Something like a real game, running thru a set demo of what the game can do is a very good test.

I am speaking games, as generally they are the things that will push a CPU and GPU to their limits, other than things like 3d Rendering programs, but they are CPU killers only.

What we REALLY need is to see some BIG TITLE high end games written for both say the A8X on the iPad and the TegraK1 on the Nexus, bot having the same graphical effects and quality and simply see which one gives the better framerate, or which one has to limit more on screen to keep the frame rate up.

That's what we need, but will we get it?

 

[rotation]

K1 gets demolished in multithread CPU and soundly beaten in single thread.



It's 3d perf remains to be seen, but i would guess that K1 will beat A8X in GPU. Unless apple really means 2.5x A7

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Why not? This is interesting stuff.

exactly

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Right, so now we're comparing different devices from different years??? Because Apple can make a thinner, faster product in 2014 than it could in 2013, means that a Surface Pro is as good as both a tablet, and a notebook???



Just because you dismiss perfectly valid points doesn't make them invalid. The Surface Pro is an awkward combination of a tablet and a notebook, and is not as good as either. And just because some company makes a niche product, doesn't mean Apple automatically has to make a product specifically to compete with it. The iPad and their notebook range seem to be competing with the Surface just fine.

Surface pro is done. Microsoft is out of the tablet game after surface pro 3.




It was a severely flawed product running an OS not meant for touchscreen. Enough said.



But the Haswell 2C4T CPU is still much better than A8 or A7. It looks like A8X competes here tho.

 

[osofast240sx]

Why not? This is interesting stuff.

Hardly It's like putting two muscle cars on a Dyno one posting 1400 hp one posting 1100 hp. The 1400 hp number is impressive but the 1100 hp car actually has a suspension to put the power to the ground. So basically it's more of a balance thing, that impresses me more. so to answer the Op's question the A8X is as fast as it needs to be.

 

[rotation]

Hardly It's like putting two muscle cars on a Dyno one posting 1400 hp one posting 1100 hp. The 1400 hp number is impressive but the 1100 hp car actually has a suspension to put the power to the ground. So basically it's more of a balance thing, that impresses me more. so to answer the Op's question the A8X is as fast as it needs to be.

Maybe to somebody who knows nothing about microarchitecture.




Your analogy is retarded BTW, these numbers reflect the performance of the SoC and will be quoted and requoted in presentations at intel, nvidia, AMD, and all other SoC manufacturers. Unlike your idiotic hot rod dyno whatever. You just don't understand them.


To all the others that want to thread crap come in here with something better than this guy, ok?

 

[osofast240sx]

Maybe to somebody who knows nothing about microarchitecture.




Your analogy is retarded BTW, these numbers reflect the performance of the SoC and will be quoted and requoted in presentations at intel, nvidia, AMD, and all other SoC manufacturers. Unlike your idiotic hot rod dyno whatever. You just don't understand them.


To all the others that want to thread crap come in here with something better than this guy, ok?

Do u feel better insulting me?? I'm sure I know more about Chips than u.

 

[rotation]

Do u feel better insulting me?? I'm sure I know more about Chips than u.

And I'm sure I drive a better car than you





Pretty sad when somebody who clearly cant afford an ipad and drives a beat up datsun (literally) has nothing better to than complain about threads he "doesn't find interesting".

 

[osofast240sx]

And I'm sure I drive a better car than you





Pretty sad when somebody who clearly cant afford an ipad and drives a beat up datsun (literally) has nothing better to than complain about threads he "doesn't find interesting".

A beat up Datsun ? A 25.1 cert. chassis, sub 7sec, MoTeC ecu, G-Force transmission. Hummmmmif you got a better car let me know

 

[rotation]

A beat up Datsun ? A 25.1 cert. chassis, sub 7sec, MoTeC ecu, G-Force transmission. Hummmmmif you got a better car let me know

A corolla is a better car. I drive a ford fusion hybrid. There you go.




Seriously why come in here and complain about people being interested in specs, when you've memorized all the weird autistic stuff about your car. You're a car nerd. You don't see me on nissan forums and complain about how uninteresting your discussions about horsepower are?

 

[barjam]

Asking an iPad to replace a laptop is like asking sneakers to replace running shoes.

For most people sneakers make perfectly fine shoes to run in and only people needing specialized running equipment need task specific running shoes?

 

[MartinAppleGuy]

According to the results here the K1 is a step ahead.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8559/iphone-6-and-iphone-6-plus-preliminary-results

The iPad Air 2 has an A8X CPU, not the same as the iPhones A8 CPU's. It contains 3 cores rather than 2, and also has double the RAM. I also has 6 core graphics. That will destroy the K1.

 

[braddick]

For most people sneakers make perfectly fine shoes to run in and only people needing specialized running equipment need task specific running shoes?

Thank you for bring home my point.
And for some people the iPad makes a perfectly fine 'lap top'.

 

[Bahroo]

So basically, you want a tablet to be able to do everything a notebook can do, but you don't want to get a notebook. Do you see the problem with this logic?



You cannot combine a notebook and tablet without compromise somewhere, whether it's cost, battery, size, weight, power, etc.



Except that the MBA is a gimped notebook too...

Actually, iOS 8 has some extremely powerful apps, espcially real time editing apps with videos/photos that take a ton of computing power to do, Apple showcased some applications on the iPad Air 2 at the event, and I forgot exactly what it was, but they were showcasing some really powerful applications that run on desktop, that were running on real time on the iPad aswell.

There are actually reports and rumors saying that the A8X actually has a tri-core/ 3 core Cyclone CPU, alongside with the new PowerVR gx6650 GPU(which is actually on par with the Kepler K1 found in Tegra K1)

IF this is true that the new iPad Air has a 3rd CPU core, then the A8X is automatically the most fastest mobile SoC on the planet right now, even faster then the 64 bit Denver Tegra K1

 

[Badrottie]

I am hoping A8X is faster than current generation i7 cpu.

 

[whtrbt7]

So one of the main differences with everything after the A7 chips is that it runs in 64bit mode. It makes a lot of applications run faster on par just because we can compute in 64bits instead of 32bits. Computation speed goes up and we are able to have apps like Photogene make edits to RAW photos in about a few seconds. Having a similar processor run in 32 bit mode would automatically make the other processor seem slower than the 64bit processor. Realistically, the edit speed is comparable to a dual core i7 chip on something like a MacBook Air. The MacBook Pro however with a quad core i7 and discreet graphics processing would of course trounce the A7 in a similar test. For specific tasks like photo editing, a user can have a great experience even on iOS since the apps are more efficient at doing the same things. The main issues seem to lie with the interfaces each form factor offers and using a finger to heal a spot on an iPad is tougher and slower than using a trackpad or even better an active digitizer pen on a laptop. iPads are multi-purpose tools with the ability to add specific fine tuned tools to complete tasks. One of the new apps coming to iOS is Pixelmator which can do some things that full blown Photoshop can do. I'm pretty excited to see what the software is like. For me, it means the ability to better edit RAW photos in the field and be able to deliver product to customers faster and better than before.

 

[TechGod]

Hardly It's like putting two muscle cars on a Dyno one posting 1400 hp one posting 1100 hp. The 1400 hp number is impressive but the 1100 hp car actually has a suspension to put the power to the ground. So basically it's more of a balance thing, that impresses me more. so to answer the Op's question the A8X is as fast as it needs to be.

Ever heard the phrase "Live and let live"? Kindly piss off.

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The iPad Air 2 has an A8X CPU, not the same as the iPhones A8 CPU's. It contains 3 cores rather than 2, and also has double the RAM. I also has 6 core graphics. That will destroy the K1.

Umm no. It won't destroy the dual core 64bit variant, it will be close between both.

Both are insanely powerful.

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I am hoping A8X is faster than current generation i7 cpu.

Oh boy.....that's impossible.

 

[ha1o2surfer]

The iPad Air 2 has an A8X CPU, not the same as the iPhones A8 CPU's. It contains 3 cores rather than 2, and also has double the RAM. I also has 6 core graphics. That will destroy the K1.

What about if we look at linear progression?

 

[Erasmus]

Actually, iOS 8 has some extremely powerful apps, espcially real time editing apps with videos/photos that take a ton of computing power to do, Apple showcased some applications on the iPad Air 2 at the event, and I forgot exactly what it was, but they were showcasing some really powerful applications that run on desktop, that were running on real time on the iPad aswell.

I agree. The iPad is a stunningly powerful device, and that bit in the demo where they disappeared the donkey was awesome. But the fact remains that a tablet, with tablet hardware, cannot do quite a lot of things as well as a decent notebook can, and trying to add features, or changing the way the OS works so that it can, takes away from the tablet. A tablet and a notebook are two different devices, and I agree with Apple that trying to combine them into one device, like the Surface Pro, is a silly thing to do.

There are actually reports and rumors saying that the A8X actually has a tri-core/ 3 core Cyclone CPU, alongside with the new PowerVR gx6650 GPU(which is actually on par with the Kepler K1 found in Tegra K1)

That would be awesome, but I very much doubt that the A8X has three CPU cores. Two cores clocked a fair bit higher than the standard A8, sure. But I think that if it was three, the CPU performance gain between the A7 and A8X would be a fair bit higher than Apple's claimed 40%. Probably more like 80-90%.