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AAPL Opened at All-Time High, Shares Have Risen Nearly 150% Since Late March

jerryk said:
At least with real estate, you have something tangible that you control.

With a stock, you are depending upon someone's judgment. I picked up many of my Apple shares when Scully was still CEO. The company had gone from high flier to doomed. Apple's HQ building at 1 Infinite Loop had a Computer Literacy bookstore and other businesses in the parking lot to defer expenses. Even then the parking lot was 1/2 empty. Former Apple workers at the company I worked for had stock options at $13 which was considerably over the market price.
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Tangible means maintenance too...which is a problem. Not to mention insurance, taxes, and all the other costs associated.

No one is talking about one stock. If you buy the market, you have no single stock risk and you’ll do great over time. The end.

Buying one house is a huge risk because it’s generally a large portion of a person’s net worth. And you’re also betting your judgement was good, which is questionable.
 
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I started buying in 2005 and continued with my spare cash over the years. Now retired and living on the dividends. Turned out to be a good choice. :) Really hope they do a 12-14% dividend increase next year, but with 86% stock price gain in 2020 I could live with just a 10% increase. ;)
 
Baymowe335 said:
Tangible means maintenance too...which is a problem. Not to mention insurance, taxes, and all the other costs associated.

No one is talking about one stock. If you buy the market, you have no single stock risk and you’ll do great over time. The end.

Buying one house is a huge risk because it’s generally a large portion of a person’s net worth. And you’re also betting your judgement was good, which is questionable.
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Many of the costs like interest are tax-deductible.

And also again this is not stock OR real estate. They are two different asset classes and just parts of one's overall investment portfolio.
 
jerryk said:
Many of the costs like interest are tax-deductible.

And also again this is not stock OR real estate. They are two different asset classes and just parts of one's overall investment portfolio.
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Most people can’t afford more than 1 house.
 
DocMultimedia said:
I started buying in 2005 and continued with my spare cash over the years. Now retired and living on the dividends. Turned out to be a good choice. :) Really hope they do a 12-14% dividend increase next year, but with 86% stock price gain in 2020 I could live with just a 10% increase. ;)
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Great timing! Had I bought in 2005 instead of college tuition...I could have retired by now easily 😆
 
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Corsig said:
I thought Apple was doomed and Tim needs to go. What happened?
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I changed my mind about Tim. Lol.

Honestly he’s done a fantastic job overall. Over the last 3yrs it seems he’s able to show his passion and love for this company and it’s innovations and product creations.

I had previously thought we needed another Jobs like leader, when what we all didn’t realize is Each department has at least 2 people who are incredibly great at what they do and beyond insane at their passion for this company:

Tevanian, Bertrand Serlet, Forstall, and Federighi.
Srouji (!)
That guy that lead the iPod team.
Michael TChai, VP iPad Product Marketing (this guy took the vision of The Navigator, helped create the Newton, kept that ‘puff’ when you removed items in OSX Dock (up to Mountain Lion) and helped create the iPad Pro! He’s been at Apple under Jobs, left learned a lot elsewhere and returned. You’ll hear his voice in the 9.7” iPad Pro intro video.

Fellow Phil Schiller
Eddie Cue (the 4rd longest employed employee of Apple after Jobs, Chris Espinosa, and Schiller)

Chris Espinosa - coder at Apple since age 14 in 1976!
^ people say some older employees ’bleed 6 colours’ when Jobs returned, Chris is part of the Apple logo for crying out loud! (I’m not sure how much of his work day is still committed to Apple).

The guy that created Swift! Sad he should return to Apple he’s got a wealth of expertise.

And a few more, past and present.


People like this have and continue to push Apple beyond. However I feel some executives have a job but you really have to wonder how they’ve risen vs the input an worth at the company vs just getting their placement since it’s grown so large??

Invested will continue to do so and going for LONG!
 
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Baymowe335 said:
$51,000,000 vs $400,000 on a $10,000 investment in 1942.
"For every dollar you have made in American business, you would have less than $0.01 of gain by buying [gold]" — comparing a $10,000 investment in a cross-section of US stocks in 1942, which would be worth about $51 million in 2018, with a gold bet of the same size that would be worth about $400,000, at the annual meeting in 2018.
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This is where statistics can tell lies. That's a basket of stocks (with the shares in that basket also having changed over time). If you more actively picked your stocks, the results could well be quite different. It would also be interesting to know why 1942 and 2018 were selected. Was there a crash in the value of Gold in 1942 for instance?
 
obamtl said:
This is where statistics can tell lies. That's a basket of stocks (with the shares in that basket also having changed over time). If you more actively picked your stocks, the results could well be quite different. It would also be interesting to know why 1942 and 2018 were selected. Was there a crash in the value of Gold in 1942 for instance?
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Address the fact. You can’t just dismiss this fact so quickly with some quip about “statistics lie.” Find a similarly profound example that tells another story about gold. Bring evidence, like I did. Otherwise, stop retorting.

No one can pick stocks. You shouldn’t actively be picking stocks. Pick any 40 year period and stocks will destroy gold. Investing is about the long term, which is why Buffett picked a lifetime. He picked this period because it happens to be his lifetime investing.
 
Baymowe335 said:
Address the fact. You can’t just dismiss this fact so quickly with some quip about “statistics lie.” Find a similarly profound example that tells another story about gold. Bring evidence, like I did. Otherwise, stop retorting.

No one can pick stocks. You shouldn’t actively be picking stocks. Pick any 40 year period and stocks will destroy gold. Investing is about the long term, which is why Buffett picked a lifetime. He picked this period because it happens to be his lifetime investing.
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Not everyone invests for the same reason and with the same strategy. One can pick any interval where gold is down but any selection of an alternative investment is up.

Also remember that over an extended period, most stocks will deliver returns in form of dividends, which you can either cash out or reinvest and experience a multplier growth. Growth doesn't pay dividends.

So at the end of the day those stats are still misleading because over that 40 year period, it's implied a discounted value of all dividends paid by all firms in the market to be worth less than the differential in the appreciation of the value of gold and stock - something we have seen no data or evidence to show, hence again proving the point that statistics can be picked and misinterpreted in a way that tells lies.
 
obamtl said:
Not everyone invests for the same reason and with the same strategy. One can pick any interval where gold is down but any selection of an alternative investment is up.

Also remember that over an extended period, most stocks will deliver returns in form of dividends, which you can either cash out or reinvest and experience a multplier growth. Growth doesn't pay dividends.

So at the end of the day those stats are still misleading because over that 40 year period, it's implied a discounted value of all dividends paid by all firms in the market to be worth less than the differential in the appreciation of the value of gold and stock - something we have seen no data or evidence to show, hence again proving the point that statistics can be picked and misinterpreted in a way that tells lies.
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More talk. Post facts or stop arguing.
 
macfacts said:
But Bitcoin has gone up 150% in last month.
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But it's still only about 40% above its all time high...from 3 three years ago. Apple is up over 200% in the same time frame (not counting dividends). Of course BTC soared during its first few years. It's all relative to your entry point.
 
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