If the Trade Deal does NOT materialize later this month, then AAPL will RE-test it's Lows for Jan !
The whole market moved UP on HOPE of a Trade Deal !
AAPL traded @ $233 & change on Oct 3rd, so Cook's Share Buyback Program was a BIG Loser !
You are right. This is the price range they were in this time last year. There was a lot of gloom and doom concerning the “overpriced” iPhone X. The run up in price came on like a slingshot from the depths related to false story after false Stories about iPhone X. I’m seeing a pattern here and wish I had a substantial amount of cash available to play thi game.Not sure how much under valued. Current price about same as last year at this time. Was trading over $230 before iPhone launch. Apple over hyped and underperformed. Is the next iPhone good enough to get price back to $230’s? Probably wasn’t realistic for Apple to be that high. Somewhere in between.
I really believe Cook needs to be shown the door. Every day, his leadership style and their results are looking like what conventional leaders like John Scully did to Apple who was driving the company into a technology development ditch by focusing on increasingly reducing incremental development of non compelling products rather than finding new innovative disruptive technologies that would lead to a decade of explosive growth.
I really believe Cook needs to be shown the door. Every day, his leadership style and their results are looking like what conventional leaders like John Scully did to Apple who was driving the company into a technology development ditch by focusing on increasingly reducing incremental development of non compelling products rather than finding new innovative disruptive technologies that would lead to a decade of explosive growth.
And up the same in about 5 months after being down $30 in 2 monthsIt's amazing how stocks can look when you look at the graphs with a magnifying glass. They are down what, $70/share in 6 months.
I'm interested in how much stock Apple will have bought back between its guidance revision and the as of date it will use on the upcoming 10-Q (which should be late January).
I'm also a little curious about what Mr. Buffett did, regarding AAPL, in the December quarter.
If Apple "Over hyped and under performed", then what is the rest of the stock market's excuse for the past few months?Not sure how much under valued. Current price about same as last year at this time. Was trading over $230 before iPhone launch. Apple over hyped and underperformed. Is the next iPhone good enough to get price back to $230’s? Probably wasn’t realistic for Apple to be that high. Somewhere in between.
And a slightly longer term view is that Apple stock has SPLIT something like EIGHT TIMES since its low of just over $12 in 1997(?).A slightly more long term view shows Apple down approximately 30% from its high. Perspective is important.
Stock market prices are a prime example (no pun) of an under-damped closed-loop control system, with FAR too much "gain" in the Integrator.You see this when stock prices start to rise, many investors react emotionally to all the good news related to the stock price and many people end up buying just based off of this news. This could lead to over valuing, and usually a correction follows.
In my opinion, there's three things happening. 1) Global economic headwinds especially in China; 2) High value of the dollar; and 3) Market saturation.
A separate question is why. 1) Trade war plus hangover from sugar rush of tax cuts; 2) I have no idea; 3) iPhones are expensive and lack a compelling reason to upgrade.
With pressure coming for Apple to reduce its 30% app store fee, the only way the stock is going to increase meaningfully, is for the company to find new revenue sources.
Is that gonna happen? I haven't read anything to suggest it will. So probably for the short term AAPL will not regain 224/share.
That's my wild speculation, to add to the analysts' wild speculation.
He is a wise investor. So he likely held onto his AAPL stock.I'm interested in how much stock Apple will have bought back between its guidance revision and the as of date it will use on the upcoming 10-Q (which should be late January).
I'm also a little curious about what Mr. Buffett did, regarding AAPL, in the December quarter.
And UP many THOUSANDS of percent in 6 years.It's amazing how stocks can look when you look at the graphs with a magnifying glass. They are down 30% in 6 months.
Citation, please?He panicked and sold off his entire position @ $143. People like Buffett don't have the stomach for this sort of thing at the end of the day.
He is a wise investor. So he likely held onto his AAPL stock.
And UP many THOUSANDS of percent in 6 years. Now what?
Citation, please?
He is a wise investor. So he likely held onto his AAPL stock.
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And UP many THOUSANDS of percent in 6 years.
Now what?
Citation, please?
So you are saying he "sold off his entire position @ $143"?Citation is NOT available here to spoon feed you with ABC's - Berkshire is open to look into by anyone, so do your homework and then discuss here.
They gave pretty much all of the critical numbers needed to make a judgment about where the company's at a month early, and indeed they may have simply sought to get any bad news out of the way so that they can focus on the good news on the earnings call.Waiting to see what happens after they report on the 29th. Hopefully, it's already factored in, but we'll see on the 29th I guess.
What?And UP many THOUSANDS of percent in 6 years.
Citation, please?
So you are saying he "sold off his entire position @ $143"?
They gave pretty much all of the critical numbers needed to make a judgment about where the company's at a month early, and indeed they may have simply sought to get any bad news out of the way so that they can focus on the good news on the earnings call.
I'd be surprised if the Q1 earnings aren't already priced in.
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What?
Over the past 6 years, AAPL has traded in an (intraday) range from $55.01 to $233.47. That's not even close to 1000% from its minimum, let alone "many thousands of percent."
So you are saying he "sold off his entire position @ $143"?
He likely bought more.Warren is a successful investor - but not with AAPL. He bought AAPL very late, not in 00's or early 10's. Zero in the 90's.
Apple stock is NOT up 1000's of % in the last 6 years - you know we can look these numbers, right?! Some, like me, actually have these shares - so ...
And, yes. he is fidgety with this stock selling too soon and then getting back, but not with the kind of loss you and I would - minimal profits.
Citation is NOT available here to spoon feed you with ABC's - Berkshire is open to look into by anyone, so do your homework and then discuss here.
He likely bought more.
AAPL has easily outperformed the market since Cook took over even with the recent slide, so not sure what you're upset about.
Are you factoring "Splits" in there? I am no math wiz, and I CERTAINLY suck at math (and, apparently, the calendar, too!); but I was just thinking of how much the value of, say, 10 shares of AAPL would be worth in 1997 vs. now. Obviously, that isn't the 6 years I quoted... Sorry!They gave pretty much all of the critical numbers needed to make a judgment about where the company's at a month early, and indeed they may have simply sought to get any bad news out of the way so that they can focus on the good news on the earnings call.
I'd be surprised if the Q1 earnings aren't already priced in.
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What?
Over the past 6 years, AAPL has traded in an (intraday) range from $55.01 to $233.47. That's not even close to 1000% from its minimum, let alone "many thousands of percent."
No, he likely bought more when it was being thrown to the curb like trash. It's already up 10% from the low.Nah that's what I would do. Buffett will most likely wait until it goes down a bit more to buy. Ugh I really didn't mean this to become a WWWD thread.
"Debate" section at https://macrumors.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201327723-MacRumors-Rules-for-Appropriate-DebateNo - I did not say that. You were countering "that" statement with a "citation, please"! The better way is to find exactly what Buffet did with his AAPL stocks and say as a counter, here, this is what happened!
Too many people engage here rhetorically with a "show me the proof" or "citation please", etc., with no real contribution to the conversation!
I know what Warren did since he made the first announcement about his involvement with AAPL - I was stunned how slow he was off the block with it.