According to Barefeats benchmarks, 5k retina iMac is slower than 2013 iMac ....??

[xgman]

Why do people still expect Macs to be "gaming machines"? PC's are for gamers and Mac's are for multimedia etc. Wishing differently isn't going to help.

 

[Gav Mack]

Why do people still expect Macs to be "gaming machines"? PC's are for gamers and Mac's are for multimedia etc. Wishing differently isn't going to help.

Mac Pro are the gaming Macs. The older towers can fit full PCIe desktop gaming cards and can be crazily upgraded. The Mac Pro 6,1 with d700 in bootcamp cross fired is the quietest rig I have ever heard playing bf4 maxed out in Windows 8.1 at ACD resolutions, the only true new Macintosh that can compete with pc systems be the most surreally quiet beating everything out there that doesn't have water cooling on the decibel front.

Though the 6,1 is not for me though I much prefer the classic towers.

 

[WilliamG]

Why do people still expect Macs to be "gaming machines"? PC's are for gamers and Mac's are for multimedia etc. Wishing differently isn't going to help.

Baloney. Sorry, but baloney. A Mac, when running Windows, IS a PC. And multimedia means just that. Multi.

 

[Ballan.Singh]

Macvidcards and his cronies always lie

Agree 100% MVC.

"They are incredibly different beasts in reality in terms of performance period. Like comparing a tiny apple with a Granny Smith. It is simply just a marketing ploy"

As always from what i read MacVidCards and GavMack spend their time saying how rubbish the new macs are , Why ? , not because it is true , Its just to protect the sales they make of the old GPU for the 5,1 MacPro

You pair are so awful and mixed up together i am not surprised you don't lie down in the same bed together.

 

[steve62388]

As always from what i read MacVidCards and GavMack spend their time saying how rubbish the new macs are , Why ? , not because it is true , Its just to protect the sales they make of the old GPU for the 5,1 MacPro

You pair are so awful and mixed up together i am not surprised you don't lie down in the same bed together.

I do find it peculiar comparing the old Mac Pro to the iMac when they are a different market segment. Shouldn't it be comparing the old Mac Pro to the new Mac Pro? By all accounts the new Mac Pro has been well received since it was released.

I certainly noticed MacVidCards has a vested interest in pushing the old Mac Pro and it's GPU upgrades, that's his business. I wasn't aware anyone else was in the same boat.

 

[roberthallin]

As has been said both in this thread and in countless others: no one is forcing you to buy any one of these computers. If you don't like what's on offer, just don't buy it. You don't have to get mad, or claim that it's "criminal". That's a grade A overreaction. They don't tailor their product-lines to suit the wishes and needs for specific individuals.

 

[Gav Mack]

Agree 100% MVC.

"They are incredibly different beasts in reality in terms of performance period. Like comparing a tiny apple with a Granny Smith. It is simply just a marketing ploy"

As always from what i read MacVidCards and GavMack spend their time saying how rubbish the new macs are , Why ? , not because it is true , Its just to protect the sales they make of the old GPU for the 5,1 MacPro

You pair are so awful and mixed up together i am not surprised you don't lie down in the same bed together.

Ah Mr Singh the troll again. I am an engineer who has worked on all Mac systems for 20 years and am offering my honest insight as always through experience, not geekbench scores but having to fix and maintain them. If you cannot grasp the absolute reality that desktop class GPU are classes above mobile versions then that is your problem, not mine.

We would need a 5500 mile wide bed to be together too, and I have never bought an eFI card from him ever. I agree with him cos he's not lying..

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I do find it peculiar comparing the old Mac Pro to the iMac when they are a different market segment. Shouldn't it be comparing the old Mac Pro to the new Mac Pro? By all accounts the new Mac Pro has been well received since it was released.

I certainly noticed MacVidCards has a vested interest in pushing the old Mac Pro and it's GPU upgrades, that's his business. I wasn't aware anyone else was in the same boat.

It is absolutely his business but not mine - but if you want to game on a geniune Mac properly with no throttling, heat issues and absolute performance they are the only two options which can cope with the high heat with both chips (3 in my 3,1 as it a dual 8 core) pushed very hard for long periods.

Why else when I have a MacBook Pro 2011 do I do all my heavy video and power work on my Mac Pro 3,1? Because not only is it much, much faster on multicore it doesn't throttle or get too hot - by design. The notebooks and the iMac are not designed like the Mac pro systems are for hard punishment they have limited TDP because of their design. Hence for hard core gaming they are unsuitable in reality.

The 2011 iMac and previous models can be improved quite easily and cheaply by redoing the thermal paste and polishing the plates and clearing out the entire cooling system of dust and rubbish. I have done the same chassis as the 5k by doing the 2012 27" too. They do clip far less and gaming is improved also. But that is much more tricky as you need that heat gun to warm the edges up to remove the glass and a new seal to refit whereas you only needed suckers with the previous models..

 

[Gav Mack]

As has been said both in this thread and in countless others: no one is forcing you to buy any one of these computers. If you don't like what's on offer, just don't buy it. You don't have to get mad, or claim that it's "criminal". That's a grade A overreaction. They don't tailor their product-lines to suit the wishes and needs for specific individuals.

It's all a matter of choices - but marketing by the graphics manufacturers is hiding the truth with these identical numbering but when you look up the specs of the silicon itself you can clearly see they are light years apart. I have had many gamers, particulary younger ones who start out with a notebook end up with a proper rig because mobile chips do not cut the mustard. I am fairly confident that my 6 year old 3,1 with its older gtx 680 will outperform the 5k easily in 1440p and keep doing it non stop, it runs 1920x1200 with every game turned up I have with aplomb.

So if you truly like to game mostly but love a Mac you need a rig; The closest to a proper rig with full length PCIe slots is the classic Mac Pro, and a single socket 5,1 upgraded correctly will outperform anything in the current Mac range, even the 6,1. The only deficiency is on single core speed but upgraded you have another 5, not 3..

iMac systems and even the retinas are great all rounders, the 5k screen is awesome but if I owned one I wouldn't think about heavy gaming on it.