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A group of civil society organizations has demanded that Apple remove games from its App Store that promote violence and killings commonplace in the Philippines' war on drugs (via Reuters).

The games in question, which the group said violated Apple's own guidelines, include characters based on Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte and his national police chief, Ronaldo "Bato" dela Rosa, who engage criminals in gun battles and fistfights.

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Tsip Bato by Ranida Games
"These games valorise and normalise the emerging tyranny of Duterte's presidency and his government's disregard for human rights principles," the Asian Network of People who Use Drugs (ANPUD) said in an open letter to Apple CEO Tim Cook.
The group named 131 organizations from several countries as supportive of the October 10 complaint to Apple, with groups working on human rights, youth and drug policy reform among them.

They urged the tech giant to issue an apology for hosting such "insensitive content". Apple has yet to respond to the letter.

Thousands have been killed in Duterte's war on drugs, a 15-month-long campaign that has caused international alarm. Human rights groups say state-sponsored executions are taking place, but authorities vehemently reject the claim.

Games available in the App Store that have come in for criticism include Fighting Crime 2, Duterte Knows Kung Fu, Duterte Running Man Challenge, Tsip Bato, and Duterte Vs Zombies. The civil rights groups said the games "might seem harmless and fun" but are offensive and distasteful because of the reality and prevalence of state-sanctioned murder with impunity.

Ben Joseph Banta, a managing partner of Ranida Games, which developed Tsip Bato, told Reuters in an email that the aim of its game was "not to promote violence", but that it sought to discourage drug use with the use of banner messages opposing drugs that were visible to players.

"We understand the human rights groups and we're very much open to make changes in the game in order to remove the stigma that the game is promoting violence," said Banta.

On Thursday, The Guardian reported that President Duterte had ordered police to end all operations in his war on drugs. In a televised speech he said he hoped a shift to target big networks would satisfy "bleeding hearts" and interfering western states fixated on the high death toll in his brutal crackdown.

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Article Link: Activists Urge Apple to Remove App Store Games That Play Up Philippine Drugs War
 

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Video-games promote violence as much as Macbeth promotes homicide.
This hinges on the assumption that people can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.
It seems like these activists demonstrate the truth in that.

BTW, go through the bible and make a list of everyone who dies. Then look at who killed them and why.
 

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As much as I feel for what they are going through, we really shouldn’t be censoring what we can play and do here based on some other nation’s (often religiously rooted) morality laws. Otherwise we open the door to groups demanding female characters wear face covers, all characters be straight, no race mixing, or any number of things. Perhaps if a certain group doesn’t like the app they could just not play, similar to changing the channel. Outlawing satire though? No.
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Video-games promote violence as much as Macbeth promotes homicide.
This hinges on the assumption that people can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.
It seems like these activists demonstrate the truth in that.

BTW, go through the bible and make a list of everyone who dies. Then look at who killed them and why.

I’d say religion is more dangerous than video games any day of the week, mainly because so many followers really can’t tell the difference between reality and fiction.
 
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Video-games promote violence as much as Macbeth promotes homicide.
This hinges on the assumption that people can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.
It seems like these activists demonstrate the truth in that.

BTW, go through the bible and make a list of everyone who dies. Then look at who killed them and why.

Well played!!

And when the old classic game “drug wars” came to mobile from the legacy PDA realm I saw no complaints. I don’t see how such games in this article are much different unless some recruitment factor is occurring.

THAT would be scary.
Imagine an App Store or Google Play store game HD to do with espionage war bombings god knows what else and had a direct communications Ui for recruitment? Hat would be messed up!! I’m surprised and glad this hasn’t occurred yet.
 
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I do believe there are people out there who are inspired and do things that any sane normal person would never do. This could be from a video game, film, tv program, play, book, anything.

I have to be honest, I played a lot of Mario and have never jumped on a mushroom though.
 
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I'm not sure that this isn't as much about "video games inspire violence" as it is about taking a serious situation that has ruined or cost the lives of thousands of people and trivialising it into a form of casual entertainment.
 
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Damn SJWs are the worst part of the human race, some I assume are good people (real activists).

Trying to figure out if either real or pseudo-activists who claim membership in an outfit called Asian Network of People who Use Drugs can properly be called Social Justice Warriors.

Real social justice warriors are people like nuns out on the streets trying to help homeless people survive a day at a time and find a road out of rock bottom poverty, maybe steer a kid to a thrift shop so he can find a blazer to wear to a stock clerk job interview... You know, nuns who take flak from bishops for not paying enough attention to doctrinal matters like the Vatican's positions on abortion, contraception, homosexuality and the proper place of women in the hierarchy of the church lol.

Waiting for some politically oriented game apps (less complex than Democracy 3, say) that might compete better w/ shoot-em-ups. Some of the ones I've bumped into mostly involve throwing money around instead of picking from an array of real problems to "shoot at" out there on the common ground. It's no wonder we don't make much headway fixing up our neighborhoods if we all end up thinking how it's done is just by angling for dough from pols whose main obsession is whether they have enough to get re-elected.

Most of the shoot-em-up apps one can download these days are not nearly that cynical: they propose a problem, a target, a battle of wills and gear, and the idea is to get out there and run "the problem" to ground. I'm pretty sure kids aren't downloading games where the whole gig is about just hiring a hit man.

Why do our political apps focus on what we all agree doesn't work in real life anyway, just throwing money at different politicians and expecting better results from governance?
 
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And this year's award for best acronym goes to... the Asian Network of People who Use Drugs (ANPUD)!
 
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I remember a while ago there was a Farmville style game that was about growing pot instead of fruits & veggies.
Well Apple took it down after a short period because they claimed it violated App Store guidelines, something to do with drug apps not being allowed.
Now here we are with another drug related game but this one is allowed?

Oh and those Playstation 1 era graphics are atrocious! :confused:
 
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Video-games promote violence as much as Macbeth promotes homicide.
This hinges on the assumption that people can't tell the difference between reality and fiction.
It seems like these activists demonstrate the truth in that.

BTW, go through the bible and make a list of everyone who dies. Then look at who killed them and why.

I suspect the backlash is more PC in nature. They are "offended" by the "insensitive" games.

Do they have a point? Probably. Should Apple remove every app that could potentially offend someone? Nope.
 
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SJWs are very specifically against many of your examples.

You missed the point. Those people were also the "SJWs" of their day. It's a term thrown around to undermine anyone who thinks that what's happening is wrong. People use it against Rose McGowan because of her exposure of the Weinstein situation. They use it against people who were upset about police shooting videos and actually said something about it. They said it about gay people who wanted to get married. I think it's incredibly simplistic to say "SJWs are against X". It's really no better than saying all conservatives are racists, and all liberals are begging for free stuff. In all three examples, it's lazy.
 
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I’d say religion is more dangerous than video games any day of the week, mainly because so many followers really can’t tell the difference between reality and fiction.

While I understand - and appreciate - your comments, it isn't so much as "reality over fiction" as it is power. Terrible things have been done in the name of <insert your god here> throughout history... and that probably won't change because mankind's quest for power won't change.
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Easy to say that, but people said the same about those who fought alongside MLK, Jefferson, Lincoln, Luther, and Jesus Christ.

That depends on your definition of SJW! As noted previously, real SJW's are the one working diligently to make a difference. "Fake" SJW just want to protest and be seen/heard... and maybe get some money in the process, but don't take the time to actually *do* anything that could potentially change the situation.

It's like wearing a pink ribbon. Great...so you support women with breast cancer. How does that actually CHANGE anything? It doesn't.
 
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People here are missing the point completely.

The group’s demand for Apple to remove this game has nothing to do with being a social justice warrior or religion.

The Philippine president’s “war on drugs” involves police who shoot and kill people suspected of trafficking drugs without due process of the court. Many innocent people have died in the crossfire. This group is simply asking for Apple to demonstrate some discretion and remove a game that is trivializing a serious and ongoing situation.

This would be like if a shooter game came out on the App Store where the player sets up on 32nd floor and points are gained for every person he shoots down in the city below. People would be raising hell if that were to happen. And calles for such a game to pulled from the App Store wouldn’t be so much about its violence but rather the sensitivity to an event in tries to portray.
 
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Damn SJWs are the worst part of the human race, some I assume are good people (real activists).

Im starting a movement/group. Its going to be called - A Riot Shows Everyone How Ordinary Love Evokes Success. There will be a bunch of us.
 
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Easy to say that, but people said the same about those who fought alongside MLK, Jefferson, Lincoln, Luther, and Jesus Christ.
You missed the point. Those people were also the "SJWs" of their day. It's a term thrown around to undermine anyone who thinks that what's happening is wrong. People use it against Rose McGowan because of her exposure of the Weinstein situation. They use it against people who were upset about police shooting videos and actually said something about it. They said it about gay people who wanted to get married. I think it's incredibly simplistic to say "SJWs are against X". It's really no better than saying all conservatives are racists, and all liberals are begging for free stuff. In all three examples, it's lazy.
Well said. I'm frustrated that I can only give you one upvote for these. It has gotten far too easy these days to label and dismiss entire segments of the population with viewpoints you oppose. It is lazy, as you say.
 
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This would be like if a shooter game came out on the App Store where the player sets up on 32nd floor and points are gained for every person he shoots down in the city below. People would be raising hell if that were to happen. And calles for such a game to pulled from the App Store wouldn’t be so much about its violence but rather the sensitivity to an event in tries to portray.
But the 31st floor would be okay then, presumably? What about the 27th floor? 45th?
What about a 32nd floor-high cliff?
Where do you draw the line of your moral indignation? And how long does it last?
Can there be such a game in 5 years? 10 years? Never and for all of eternity well beyond anyone ever remembering why?
It might not be in the best of taste, but that's not a reason to censor. Is it okay for me to demand removal of all apps from the Store that feature guns at all, because my country has quite restrictive gun control?
Does the most restrictive ideology win, then? Shall we all just put on burkas and ban alcohol and ham?
Or, per the point that you missed, are people smart enough to be able to distinguish between reality and fiction?
 
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But the 31st floor would be okay then, presumably? What about the 27th floor? 45th?
What about a 32nd floor-high cliff?
Where do you draw the line of your moral indignation? And how long does it last?
Can there be such a game in 5 years? 10 years? Never and for all of eternity well beyond anyone ever remembering why?
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Whilst I agree with you about the "when is too soon?" as it's clearly a subjective issue, trying to view it entirely objectively misses the point. Regardless of when making light of an incident or situation passes that blurred boundary between unacceptable and acceptable, even without defining where that boundary occurs you can still clearly be a long way away from it. As an analogy; I live in a small rural town. I don't think anyone would agree where the town ends and the countryside begins, but put everyone in the town centre and everyone would agree they were in the town.
 
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