Additional Benchmarks Reveal A15 Bionic Performance Improvements in iPhone 13 and iPhone 13 Pro

[Johnny907]

Believe it or not… in the real world, there are people out there don’t even care what kinda chip their iPhone has. They rather pay less $$$ then worry about a chip that contains more core.

... right, but they aren't "paying less money," are they YAL? The 13 is priced the same as the 12, which did have chip parity between Pro and Non-Pro models. This is about Apple doing anything to pad profit margins, nothing more nothing less. Not saying there is anything wrong with that, just that defending it with mistruth is a bit much.

 

[gadsfan37]

Meanwhile, Google's state of the art Pixel 6 Pro numbers from Arstechnica:

Those numbers aren't even close to the actual benchmarks. The current fastest android mobile chip (Snapdragon 888+) has a benchmark score upwards of 1500 so I HIGHLY doubt the first Google-made chip would be that low.

 

[cmaier]

... right, but they aren't "paying less money," are they YAL? The 13 is priced the same as the 12, which did have chip parity between Pro and Non-Pro models. This is about Apple doing anything to pad profit margins, nothing more nothing less. Not saying there is anything wrong with that, just that defending it with mistruth is a bit much.

It’’s the same chip, just with a core disabled. They didn’t save any money by chip “disparity.” There was just no benefit, presumably, since no 120Hz, etc.

 

[cmaier]

Those numbers aren't even close to the actual benchmarks. The current fastest android mobile chip (Snapdragon 888+) has a benchmark score upwards of 1500 so I HIGHLY doubt the first Google-made chip would be that low.

Why? Google has zero expertise in making CPUs.

 

[FreedomPenguin]

Why is att,tmobile,verizon,sprint 626 on apple store for 13 mini 128gb but Unlocked is 656? that seems messed up.
I need unlocked for mint mobile I think. (military store pricing)

 

[cmaier]

Why is att,tmobile,verizon,sprint 626 on apple store for 13 mini 128gb but Unlocked is 656? that seems messed up.
I need unlocked for mint mobile I think. (military store pricing)

Presumably because those carriers underwrite some of the cost, and pay apple $30.

 

[FreedomPenguin]

Makes sense. thanks

 

[fakestrawberryflavor]

Just imagine if they put M1 on this phone. Definitely will buy but I will pass the A15 bionic.

Makes no sense, the A15 has slightly better cores, more cache, newer silicon features than the old M1. The M1 is just wider, but older silicon with all major facets of the architecture.

 

[leman]

Those numbers aren't even close to the actual benchmarks. The current fastest android mobile chip (Snapdragon 888+) has a benchmark score upwards of 1500 so I HIGHLY doubt the first Google-made chip would be that low.

You probably mean 1100, right? The 888 (non plus) scores around 1000 max. Even the newest chips with ARM-X2 cores are under 1300 according to most optimistic estimates…

 

[DeepIn2U]

Graphics: 4-core A15 15% faster than A14, 5-core A15 55% faster than A14

Single-core CPU: 10% faster than A14

Multi-core CPU: 18% faster than A14

While 5-core A15 is indeed impressive, I am not sure rest of the A15 numbers can be called "pretty dang impressive" over A14.

Am I missing something here?
If the iPhone 13 series is designated at iPhone 14,5 as per this article,
then what model is the iPhone 14,3 and why does it have a smidget better single core and better multi-core than the Pro series as featured in the 2 screenshots, 1 over another, in this article?

Need reference and basis, poorly written article.

 

[allseeingi’s]

🤷‍♂️ The battery life on my 11 Pro Max was significantly better than that of my current 12 Pro Max (both 512GB). My wife has my hand-me-down 11 Pro Max, and I’m plugging in much earlier in the evening than she is.

I’m soon to the ex owner of an 11Pro Max which is heading my wife’s way to replace another of my former iphones she nabbed off me a 7+ . Have always been impressed with battery on the 11PM , your post intrigued me and it will be interesting to see what the 13 Pro Max has to offer .

 

[upandown]

if anyone is interested there are benchmarks posted for the Apple M1X.

Apple M1X - Benchmark, Test and Specs

Apple M1X - Benchmark, Geekbench 5, Cinebench R20, Cinebench R23, Cinebench R15 and FP32 iGPU (GFLOPS) benchmark results

www.cpu-monkey.com

is this real?

 

[l0stl0rd]

is this real??? how can anyone not say.. WOW

If they are it is somewhat what I expected, except it has 12 cores instead of 10 and I so will het one if that is the case.

However is also lists the M2 already so well not sure.

 

[Coconut Bean]

Is 10% increase noticeable?. Is this the beginning of mini performance increases every year?. At this rate it will take more than 6 years to duplicate the current chips performance. Is good, more reasons to not spend money every year on a new phone.
But this makes me wonder about many features that have not included in older devices because they supposedly don’t have enough performance. For example, what is the excuse for not supporting cinematic video on iPhone 12?, 10% less cpu?, really?. Many other features are supported with that 10% extra CPU power?. Multi core slight improvements make cinematic video possible?. Mmmmhhh, I think we can have those features on iPhone 11 and 12. Maybe a little lower res but definitely could be supported if Apple did not restrict the new great features to the new phone every year and capped the older models. I need a class action!

Idk what people were expecting really. This is what happens when you cannot die shrink a generation, make chip slightly larger + slightly improved architecture... Happened with the Intel too...

My guess is that this generation it was just one of those, namely the slightly improved architecture, but same sized chip.

Next big step will be next node at tsmc. My 2 cents not in iphones before 2023 .

 

[theotherphil]

There are whispers that the MMU was redesigned and there is LPDDR5. If so, in combination with the SLC changes, then the bandwidth has increased tremendously in all likelihood, meaning the CPUs do not get starved. This allows more clock speed headroom (e.g. M2 may run at a very high clock) but also improves multi-core (and graphics) performance a lot.

I‘d say this was an area of focus given a single M1 performance core can saturate the memory bus almost entirely.

 

[cmaier]

I‘d say this was an area of focus given a single M1 performance core can saturate the memory bus almost entirely.

As we get more data, it sure looks like that. The MP performance increases by more than I’d expect based on the SP performance, probably mostly due to that.

 

[N1noodle]

Gonna be more intresting when you see realworld test, i much prefer to see test with apps you are using.

 

[KPOM]

Graphics: 4-core A15 15% faster than A14, 5-core A15 55% faster than A14

Single-core CPU: 10% faster than A14

Multi-core CPU: 18% faster than A14

While 5-core A15 is indeed impressive, I am not sure rest of the A15 numbers can be called "pretty dang impressive" over A14.

If they got those performance improvements plus added battery life with only a minor process node update, that actually is impressive. There was speculation from sites such as AnandTech that we might not see any CPU improvements.

 

[JMacHack]

Those numbers aren't even close to the actual benchmarks. The current fastest android mobile chip (Snapdragon 888+) has a benchmark score upwards of 1500 so I HIGHLY doubt the first Google-made chip would be that low.

Now that I give it some thought, I don’t doubt it’s that low. We don’t know the design team at Google and I haven’t heard any rumors of them poaching talent from other cpu companies.

Which begs the question, who designed their cpu?

 

[cmaier]

Now that I give it some thought, I don’t doubt it’s that low. We don’t know the design team at Google and I haven’t heard any rumors of them poaching talent from other cpu companies.

Which begs the question, who designed their cpu?

CPU McGee.

I checked my linkedin to see which of my contacts work at Google now. One guy, Rohit, is now a Sr Director of Engineering at Google. I worked with him at AMD. He was “Director, CPU Design“ at Apple for 8 years after leaving AMD.

I guess Rohit designed it.

 

[shady281]

CPU McGee.

I checked my linkedin to see which of my contacts work at Google now. One guy, Rohit, is now a Sr Director of Engineering at Google. I worked with him at AMD. He was “Director, CPU Design“ at Apple for 8 years after leaving AMD.

I guess Rohit designed it.

I hope you are being sarcastic. 99% of the time people with the title 'Director' or 'VP' are mostly project accountants, not design engineers.

 

[cmaier]

I hope you are being sarcastic. 99% of the time people with the title 'Director' or 'VP' are mostly project accountants, not design engineers.

Yes, i was being sarcastic.

Though, for what it’s worth, Rohit is a very talented circuit designer. I have no idea what he’s done since I last worked with him, but he is definitely an engineer and not an accountant.

 

[JMacHack]

Yes, i was being sarcastic.

Though, for what it’s worth, Rohit is a very talented circuit designer. I have no idea what he’s done since I last worked with him, but he is definitely an engineer and not an accountant.

I read a comment on Anandtech that said many middle managers in large companies often have conflicting interests. Could be that some bureaucrat doesn’t see the point in designing their own cpu and won’t allocate many resources to it.

 

[shady281]

Those numbers aren't even close to the actual benchmarks. The current fastest android mobile chip (Snapdragon 888+) has a benchmark score upwards of 1500 so I HIGHLY doubt the first Google-made chip would be that low.

Nah, not on Geekbench 5. The fastest single core scores there are going to the unreleased 898, which is around 1200 single core. That puts it just a tad above Apple A12 (iPhone XS) territory. The top android phones using the 875 like the S21+ are still 25% or so behind Apple's latest A14/A15 in single core. They are competitive in multi-core.

Not that it matters really. I think past the A11, SoC speed is really becoming irrelevant.

Androids main problem is all the crappy 7XX chips that show up in mid-priced phones, and they perform about like an iPhone 6S or 7, and at that level it does matter.

 

[Denzo]

Apparently, this little operation over at Cupertino, knows a thing or two about computing??