Steve Jobs was right about how pathetic Adobe had become. If you don't update they'll cut you out of the current ecosystem by making everything incompatible. People complain about Apple's pricing, at least you're paying for something tangibly different and better. Adobe's idea of a new CS release is to redesign the dock icons, the loading screens, and change UI colors, all that for a mere $50 a month! And when you're done paying them, guess what, you actually own NOTHING.
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Adobe CS6 and Retina Display
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Steve Jobs was right about how pathetic Adobe had become. If you don't update they'll cut you out of the current ecosystem by making everything incompatible. People complain about Apple's pricing, at least you're paying for something tangibly different and better. Adobe's idea of a new CS release is to redesign the dock icons, the loading screens, and change UI colors, all that for a mere $50 a month! And when you're done paying them, guess what, you actually own NOTHING.
Wrong person to quote. People are complaining how all the power a/c they had for the old system won't work on the new MBP without paying for an adapter. How they got rid of firewire, which Apple pushed so hard to keep a standard. Now you need an adapter. And now I'm stuck at USB 2.0 speeds because that adapter isn't out yet for the firewire.
It's not just Adobe. Apple does it too. It's called paying for all the new cables you need.
It's not just Adobe. Apple does it too. It's called paying for all the new cables you need.
Web developer here, here's my 2 cents:
I was hesitant as well on getting the retina due to the fact that it doesn't have full support yet.
But hell was I wrong. Photoshop still runs on the "old" resolution for now so it's fine, but gosh the panel is IPS!!! Everything looks 50000x better.
Get it if you are a graphics designer, you're a retard graphics designer if you don't buy a IPS panel for your daily design work. The color replication for this is next generation.
I was hesitant as well on getting the retina due to the fact that it doesn't have full support yet.
But hell was I wrong. Photoshop still runs on the "old" resolution for now so it's fine, but gosh the panel is IPS!!! Everything looks 50000x better.
Get it if you are a graphics designer, you're a retard graphics designer if you don't buy a IPS panel for your daily design work. The color replication for this is next generation.
I got the suite and it looks alright...not spectacular but not as bad as people are saying it looks. Runs great on this retina macbook though! So I am happy!
If you need it now, get it now. Photoshop works fine (graphics and web designer/developer). If you can wait, the Retina support will probably come in 6.5, or whatever Adobe calls the next version. They're not big on feature updates. Heck, I'm thankful when they can even be bothered to fix bugs.
You can also use the student discount month-to-month service for a while and buy the package down the road, if that makes sense to you.
You can also use the student discount month-to-month service for a while and buy the package down the road, if that makes sense to you.
It is wonderful to have, but perfectly brilliant work can (and usually has) been done without one. 'Retard' is an extremely poor word to use here.
It's higher contrast, but actually has a slightly smaller color space than the previous MBPs. I would argue that the color replication is a very slight step backwards.
But that did not stop this photographer from getting one.
What makes no sense. So you mean I can't use a 8x11 piece of paper to design, I must use a poster board.
Dumb post.
This, too, is BS. There's nothing wrong with a 15" screen for mobile design work.
In the current state of affairs, Adobe is planning an update to the CS Suite of Apps as well as Lightroom 4, to take advantage of the MacBook Pro Retina Display.
Currently, images in Photoshop and Lightroom render at a 4x pixel-doubled 1440x900 resolution, resulting in very pixellated images displayed in the apps. The toolbars and menu elements display this pixellation as well, and are promised to be fixed in an upcoming update. Currently, Photoshop and Lightroom will not allow you to work with 2880x1800 resolution images in their full 1:1 resolution, natively. A full-screen canvas in Photoshop is currently 1440x900 @ 100%, which displays images on the Retina display using 4 pixels per 1 pixel of image. This results in a high degree of image pixellation when previewing images or viewing images in both Photoshop and Lightroom. Even in Dreamweaver, text is not optimized for the Retina display and displays this pixellated-text.
So, my question is -- does anybody have any information or details as to when we can expect an update from Adobe to the CS6 / Lightroom suite, and what to expect in the update? I have been fervently checking Adobe's website daily as well as other websites, but I haven't had luck finding any information regarding a specified release date or timetable, or what Adobe plans to update and optimize in the Retina-update.
Hopefully somebody can shed some light on this. I know Adobe has previewed a "Native Retina" version of Photoshop CS6 at WWDC, and I know it is in the "works" -- just wondering if it will be July we are talking about, or August, or September? I'm really looking forward to doing some serious Photoshop editing on my Retina MacBook, but I can't stand to work with it, with the horrible pixellation displayed. It would be nice to be able to edit clean WSIWYG at native resolution, as Photoshop and Lightroom were designed to work.
Currently, images in Photoshop and Lightroom render at a 4x pixel-doubled 1440x900 resolution, resulting in very pixellated images displayed in the apps. The toolbars and menu elements display this pixellation as well, and are promised to be fixed in an upcoming update. Currently, Photoshop and Lightroom will not allow you to work with 2880x1800 resolution images in their full 1:1 resolution, natively. A full-screen canvas in Photoshop is currently 1440x900 @ 100%, which displays images on the Retina display using 4 pixels per 1 pixel of image. This results in a high degree of image pixellation when previewing images or viewing images in both Photoshop and Lightroom. Even in Dreamweaver, text is not optimized for the Retina display and displays this pixellated-text.
So, my question is -- does anybody have any information or details as to when we can expect an update from Adobe to the CS6 / Lightroom suite, and what to expect in the update? I have been fervently checking Adobe's website daily as well as other websites, but I haven't had luck finding any information regarding a specified release date or timetable, or what Adobe plans to update and optimize in the Retina-update.
Hopefully somebody can shed some light on this. I know Adobe has previewed a "Native Retina" version of Photoshop CS6 at WWDC, and I know it is in the "works" -- just wondering if it will be July we are talking about, or August, or September? I'm really looking forward to doing some serious Photoshop editing on my Retina MacBook, but I can't stand to work with it, with the horrible pixellation displayed. It would be nice to be able to edit clean WSIWYG at native resolution, as Photoshop and Lightroom were designed to work.
Hilarious how people use completely idiotic examples to try and justify anything. Prototyping on paper? Of course thats fine. But that's has nothing to do with the actual production stage.
It's software, you aren't going to own anything tangible. Paying $50 is the same as paying for any other service. I'm not saying it's cheap or under/overpriced. But that's the cost and plenty of people pay it so Adobe doesn't need to lower their prices.
You didn't think that through very well before posting did you? Clearly, if you buy software, you own it. That is something. Subscribing to software for two years leaves you with nothing. This is "Better" by Adobe!
The next great innovation from Adobe will be the worlds first fluorescent user interface. It's fluorescent, because it's Better by Adobe. TADA! $1200 pls.
It looks like utter s***. Yes I have CS6 and rMBP. You can forget about using Illustrator on the rMBP. Everything looks like it went through a shredder. Adobe displays vectors at 72ppi apparently, totally negating one advantage of working with vectors in the first place. I'm amazed by that because Illustrator is also slow. So it's low res AND slow. How nice is that? It's probably using a rendering engine from the mid 90's.
As for the UI, aside from the fact that all the changes they made look stupid, the dark UI colors look way worse than the old grays on the rMBP. I'd say there's no must have reason to own CS6 unless you're one of those goofball designers who likes to spray flowers all over the screen.
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Why is that completely idiotic? You sir missed the boat on his comment. All that dear poster was attempting to elucidate is that if he can do a design perfectly fine on a small sheet of a paper, why should he use a sheet that is 5x as big? Just so he can feel like a real designer?
Personally I don't like huge screens for design because nobody will ever see it like that. 80-90% of people still have a monitor that will make you cry when you see your work on it.
Yes, that is what I was saying above. It looks so bad it is virtually unusable. I would rather work with a hi-res matte MBP with CS6 anyday than use it currently on the Retina Display. It really looks horrible. There aren't many Photoshop-like solutions right now that look good on the Retina, even Pixelmator looks bad.
Aperture, FinalCutPro, iMovie, and iPhoto is about all that is fully optimized for the Retina display right now.
Guess we will have to patiently wait on this CS6 update, the the Lightroom update as well.
Do you use Illustrator? If you do you might want to try an app called Sketch. It has sub pixel precision so the canvas actually looks good on retina. The UI is not retina ready but whatever you're working on is crisp and clean. It's a pretty nifty app with a few really cool features though not ready for production due to bugs. The guys who work on it readily admit that there are problems and they're hard at work trying to fix them. It might be something to look into or follow if you're a fan of Illustrator who is sick of seeing it go nowhere.
I'm not a big fan of Adobe, despite using numerous Adobe products to make a living, but this isn't true. First, they do introduce good, new features in updates. At the price point I think they should release major versions less frequently, or at a far more accessible price, but what they do goes well beyond what you have described.
Second, it is largely Apple that is obsoleting old CS suites with its own progress from OS to OS. You can't pin all of that on Adobe, although Adobe could and should do more to fix bugs in precious CS versions (they're kind of asshats about that). Also, aside from the occasional odd bug here or there, you generally can get quite a bit of life out of a given CS version and nobody is forcing you to upgrade each cycle. Adobe does allow upgrades numerous versions back.
I guess it will be a free update and CS 6.5 is not going to be released anytime soon I think, CS6 is still brand new.
Anyway, I work with CS6 Design & Web and it looks just normal on my rmbp. In fact it looks the same as it does on my external 1080p Dell 2312.
Buy now if needed, you'll be fine
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Ask if you have any questions...
Kind of off topic I know, but how are you liking your u2312hm?
They're supposedly killing that going forward. It works for CS6 (about to buy it myself). Beyond that, they may force you to be no more than one version back. I dislike the wacom drivers in photoshop personally. I'm debating trying manga studio specifically for drawing, but I do a lot more than that in PS.
paper prototyping can be part of the design stage, but what does that have to do in context to actually working on screen? nothing at all. if you can do all your design on a 8.5 x 11 piece of paper then I guess you don't need a computer at all then right? see I can make really ridiculous and outlandish claims that are completely out of context as well.
explaining the merits of more screen space for design shouldn't be necessary. it should be quite obvious. a new fancy device that everyone wants doesn't change that fact.
I must be wrong but I didn't think he was arguing the merits of paper prototyping but using that concept as an analogy to the validity of a particular screen size.
I think I agree with you in general that for many designers working on a big screen will allow designs to look better on smaller screens. That is because scaling a design down will minimize placement errors, and scaling it up will reveal them. Of course, if you understand proportion really well you can design on any screen and it will look at least decent on pretty much any screen.
Especially considering OSX uses a postscript-derived render engine, it seems more than a bit backwards.
The slowness and the dubious quality are due to Adobe developing cross-platform. Really they should be using WPE on windows and Quartz on the mac, or better still, (as with Quartz) collaborating with OS builders and putting postscript into the render engines of the operating systems.
I still have a couple of washing machine size calibrated CRTs which I pull out for doing high quality print work.
Retina Displays were the reason for the UI change.
I can see why someone would be miffed at a few seemingly simple UI changes. It seems, from what I see now in 2014, that these changes were made in anticipation of the release of Retina Displays. Right now I'm looking at CS 5.5 on my Macbook Pro with Retina and I see why they choose to release these updates, and charge for them, as they produced them.
I cannot imagine how hard it would have been, as a person who designs, to have prepared for the release of these new Retina Displays and have to redesign all of the UI components. Adobe literally had to redesign all of their icons to ensure they wouldn't pixelate on the Retina Displays. The old icons are half, or somewhere near half, the resolution of the new ones. This is something that all designers are now having to address. Thanks goodness Adobe was ahead of the curve!
It's interesting how I'm learning to be thankful for these seemingly "small" updates to the UI. Now, viewing 5.5 on the Retina, it looks really bad compared to the latest version of the Creative Suite. We all live and learn...hopefully in the future we can learn to find understanding of why these changes are necessary as the folks at Adobe, I doubt, are trying to gouge us. I know I would want to be paid well if I created the quality of software that they do.
See the attached screenshot of CS 5.5 on a Retina Display and you'll see what I mean.
I can see why someone would be miffed at a few seemingly simple UI changes. It seems, from what I see now in 2014, that these changes were made in anticipation of the release of Retina Displays. Right now I'm looking at CS 5.5 on my Macbook Pro with Retina and I see why they choose to release these updates, and charge for them, as they produced them.
I cannot imagine how hard it would have been, as a person who designs, to have prepared for the release of these new Retina Displays and have to redesign all of the UI components. Adobe literally had to redesign all of their icons to ensure they wouldn't pixelate on the Retina Displays. The old icons are half, or somewhere near half, the resolution of the new ones. This is something that all designers are now having to address. Thanks goodness Adobe was ahead of the curve!
It's interesting how I'm learning to be thankful for these seemingly "small" updates to the UI. Now, viewing 5.5 on the Retina, it looks really bad compared to the latest version of the Creative Suite. We all live and learn...hopefully in the future we can learn to find understanding of why these changes are necessary as the folks at Adobe, I doubt, are trying to gouge us. I know I would want to be paid well if I created the quality of software that they do.
See the attached screenshot of CS 5.5 on a Retina Display and you'll see what I mean.
