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I wonder why..

I wonder why, your screen name. It gives me the image of some network in the early 90s trying to come up with some new sitcom, where the main character is some really cool, cooler than Fonzi guy, who has the cool catchphrase of "I wonder why." Like Dynomite. And says it constantly, everywhere, similar to what you did. If this was part of an episode, the audience would see you responding and typing, "I wonder why," and then we hear this huge laugh track. And people would also get a kick at the fact that your screen name is "iWonderwhy." And it will be extra cool, because it has a lowercase i, kind of like an Apple product.
 
Adobe says Flash uses the same or less battery power than HTML5????

What crack are they smoking?

It's called facts and reality. Something that Mr Jobs prefers to ignore or distort.

Do you think that HTML5 -- which is used as a synonym for a bundle of various different technologies -- is a magic bullet that does video playback or running interactive content at zero cost?

Just look at what happens to your precious battery when you watch a movie with it with Apple's own software -- it'll drain very, very quickly, because playing back video content is extremely expensive.

Now Flash is not only a video technology, it is also a complete runtime environment for multi-platform software like Java or .NET. You don't get such a sophisticated technology for free and when your marvelous HTML5 gains momentum, you will see that the very same ad banners will annoy you and that all of a sudden your battery life will also suffer like crazy. Only this time, you don't have the comfort of being able to install a Flash blocker -- you will have to suffer through all those ads.
 
It's called facts and reality. Something that Mr Jobs prefers to ignore or distort.

Do you think that HTML5 -- which is used as a synonym for a bundle of various different technologies -- is a magic bullet that does video playback or running interactive content at zero cost?

Just look at what happens to your precious battery when you watch a movie with it with Apple's own software -- it'll drain very, very quickly, because playing back video content is extremely expensive.

Now Flash is not only a video technology, it is also a complete runtime environment for multi-platform software like Java or .NET. You don't get such a sophisticated technology for free and when your marvelous HTML5 gains momentum, you will see that the very same ad banners will annoy you and that all of a sudden your battery life will also suffer like crazy. Only this time, you don't have the comfort of being able to install a Flash blocker -- you will have to suffer through all those ads.

Thanks Winni, covered pretty much everything I was going to say. Spot on.
 
"Whenever I mention the performance and battery life gains to be had by disabling Flash Player (like this eye opener from yesterday), I get a few responses via email and Twitter pointing out that if advertisers switch to HTML5 from Flash for obnoxious animated ads, those performance gains may vanish, and, perhaps worse, it won’t be as easy to block unwanted HTML5 animation in this hypothetical future as it is to block unwanted Flash animation today, because HTML5 isn’t rendered through a specific plugin.

My answer: We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

- John Gruber

Wow. What insight and forethought into the future problems that may be created by the Newly Touted Technology. Thank you John for your non-answers to the big questions.

"Hey Company X you know this Newly Touted Technology you're pouring all your money and resources into launching? You know how you're telling people to ditch their Current Technology even thought this NTT isn't fully ready or tested yet? Well, it looks like it might end up having some of the exact same problems as the Current Technology. It also might end up providing users with a WORSE experience. What are your thoughts on this potentially major problem?"

"We'll cross that bridge when we come to it."

"Oh. Ok. I was worried there for a second."
 
Wow. What insight and forethought into the future problems that may be created by the Newly Touted Technology. Thank you John for your non-answers to the big questions.

"Hey Company X you know this Newly Touted Technology you're pouring all your money and resources into launching? You know how you're telling people to ditch their Current Technology even thought this NTT isn't fully ready or tested yet? Well, it looks like it might end up having some of the exact same problems as the Current Technology. It also might end up providing users with a WORSE experience. What are your thoughts on this potentially major problem?"

"We'll cross that bridge when we come to it."

"Oh. Ok. I was worried there for a second."

Nonsense. A dude is constantly poking you in the eye with a stick. If you get rid of him, another guy might come along and start poking you in the eye with a stick. So I shouldn't get rid of the current eye-poker just because if I do, maybe a new eye-poker will come along?

The fact of the matter is, right now (as demonstrated by Ars), if you aren't actively intending to run flash (i.e. if the content you actually want to see isn't flash), you're better off disabling flash and earning yourself a couple extra hours of battery life.
 
Who do i trust more.. Apple or Adobe? HM. Better yet, lets go by my own experiences. Easy enough, i trust Apple. Die, Flash, die. I uninstalled Flash all together. If a website doesn't have an HTML5 version of something, i don't need to view it that badly. Sorry.
 
the way I look at it

ok here's the way I look at this. Adobe had more than a decade to make flash be an actual internet standard. They got greedy and decided not to do this. Apple knows when to be proprietary and when to be open. The kinds of features Flash offers ( and HTML 5 ) is fast becoming a requirement on the web. Jobs would rather back the internet standard HTML5 to give them an even playing field to compete on. It's as simple as that. Microsoft tried attacking this with silverlight.

In the end... like I said this is just Adobe collapsing under its own greed. It could have opened flash up to become a real standard at any time, and it didn't.
 
I suggest everyone install ClickToFlash. You will never look back. It even finds flash video and converts it to HTML5. I haven't clicked on a single flash element in weeks and my computer is thanking me. Anyone who monitors their system can easily tell that Flash uses more resources than HTML5 with or without hardware acceleration. Adobe is just blowing smoke.

+1 Another ClickToFlash user here! Great software.
 
... The fact of the matter is, right now (as demonstrated by Ars), if you aren't actively intending to run flash (i.e. if the content you actually want to see isn't flash), you're better off disabling flash and earning yourself a couple extra hours of battery life.

Nonsense. If you are browsing Flash sites, you need Flash. And yes, animations demand more juice. Just like video demands more juice. Just like games demand more juice. Just like HTML5 animations demand more juice.

Technically, if you push your argument, why not configure your browser to just show you mobile versions of sites? Better yet, why not just plain text, without any graphic elements?

Hey, what about DOS?

ok here's the way I look at this. Adobe had more than a decade to make flash be an actual internet standard. They got greedy and decided not to do this. Apple knows when to be proprietary and when to be open. The kinds of features Flash offers ( and HTML 5 ) is fast becoming a requirement on the web. Jobs would rather back the internet standard HTML5 to give them an even playing field to compete on. It's as simple as that. Microsoft tried attacking this with silverlight.

In the end... like I said this is just Adobe collapsing under its own greed. It could have opened flash up to become a real standard at any time, and it didn't.

Dude, you so miss the real reason for Job's mission against Flash, it's not even funny!
 



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In its review of the new 11-inch MacBook Air published last week, Ars Technica noted that the battery life of the machine takes a substantial hit when browsing sites with Adobe's Flash Player enabled, pointing to the prevalence of CPU-heavy Flash ads in use on the Internet.The difference has gained much attention due to the MacBook Air's limited battery capacity, the ongoing dispute between Apple and Adobe over Flash, and Apple's decision to ship the new MacBook Air without Flash Player pre-installed, a change coming to all of the company's Mac products.

Fast Company spoke with Adobe Chief Technology Office Kevin Lynch about the MacBook Air news and the broader dispute over Flash, and Lynch argued that it makes perfect sense that displaying Flash content would utilize more battery power than not displaying it. Lynch also claimed that displaying the same content in Apple-supported HTML5 technology would use as much or more battery power than in Flash.Lynch went on to focus on the "negative campaigning" against Adobe's Flash technology, taking aim at Apple for "inciting" the movement, calling Apple's choice to cut off access to Flash content for its iOS users "hurtful" to Adobe and Flash developers and "counter to [Adobe's] values".For its part, Adobe is looking at how to accommodate the growing presence of HTML5 content on the Internet, recently offering a demo of a tool that would allow developers to easily port much of their Flash content to HTML5.

Article Link: Adobe CTO on Flash's Effect on Battery Life, Apple's Negative Campaigning

Apple is full of **** as usual.

Apple has a great logic.

I still can stop laughing at these statements.
Apple compares the iPhone 4 glass to a helicopter windshield, and say its 30 times harder than plastic and less prone to breakage.
iPhone 4 uses the same type of glass used in helicopter windshields and high-speed trains
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Do we really need flash to play games? :)

http://www.google.com/pacman/

NOPE! And if you don't want HTML 5, just use a browser that doesn't use HTML 5, there we go! Enough talking about crossing bridges when they come... we just fixed the "problem". :rolleyes:
 
Seriously? A decade of content? I have a decade of BetaMax tapes, but I still own a Blu-ray player. We can move forward. Every time my computer crashes, I can trace it back to Flash content. Prolific, yes, but it's also a disaster.

Right on man! You make a great point! Flash is Trash.
 
Nonsense. A dude is constantly poking you in the eye with a stick. If you get rid of him, another guy might come along and start poking you in the eye with a stick. So I shouldn't get rid of the current eye-poker just because if I do, maybe a new eye-poker will come along?

The fact of the matter is, right now (as demonstrated by Ars), if you aren't actively intending to run flash (i.e. if the content you actually want to see isn't flash), you're better off disabling flash and earning yourself a couple extra hours of battery life.

Your analogy sucks. Comparing Flash and HTML5 to a guy poking you in the eye with a stick would make sense if both were purely negative.

Critics claim Flash sucks because it's a battery drain and has high CPU usage.

But now that people are actually testing HTML5 there's a lot of downplaying the fact that it's a comparatively poor performer when it comes to complex animation.

HTML5 banner ads haven't been proven to suck any less. Especially when all the good HTML5 demos are bringing mobile Safari to it's knees on iOS.
 
I suggest everyone install ClickToFlash. You will never look back. It even finds flash video and converts it to HTML5. I haven't clicked on a single flash element in weeks and my computer is thanking me. Anyone who monitors their system can easily tell that Flash uses more resources than HTML5 with or without hardware acceleration. Adobe is just blowing smoke.

And while we're taking the time to block Flash from our browsers, why don't we all just go ahead and block all the other battery life-sucking plugins in Safari? :D ClickToPlugin is same as ClickToFlash, only it also blocks Silverlight, Java, QuickTime, and Windows Media.
 
Seriously? A decade of content? I have a decade of BetaMax tapes, but I still own a Blu-ray player. We can move forward....

Funny you should bring up Bluray. 'Cause Steve Jobs has banished such "forward" technology from the Mac, for much the same reason he has banished Flash from iOS: Content control.

Of course, there are a boatload of fanboys yelling "I don't need no Bluray, just as they yell "I don't need no Flash" and just as they yelled "I don't need no Cut & Paste."
 
So where is the criticism of iOS/Mac OS?

The tech media is notoriously biased towards apple... have you ever seen an article where they said, we reached out to Adobe for a comment on the issue. Well guess what, here is something apple doesn't tell you; Adobe has commented on this in the past.

According to an Adobe flash engineer, the Mac OS doesn't provide Adobe with the proper API structure to optimize Flash for the mac. Windows does. I use flash on windows of course all the time and strangely, use hardly uses near the battery the mac version does nor the processor cycles and maybe crashes on me once a month.

I have actually had to stop using Safari on the mac because it crashes literally every hour at least. Firefox doesn't give me these issues lol.

And here is the underlining problem. Apple has always believed in a walled in garden, and when someone else tries to come in and plant something it ends up causing issues. HTML5, which is a browser based product runs will on the mac.

In effect, apple needs HTLM5 to be relevant because they can't write an OS that is actually worth 2 cents.
 
ok here's the way I look at this. Adobe had more than a decade to make flash be an actual internet standard.

Things that aren't "standard" are the future.

HTML4 was born in 1999. The HTML5 "standard" will be completed in 2022. That's 33 years between the evolution of your "standard". Pull your horse drawn buggy over, clean off your monocle and make sure you read that right.

Flash has gone through SIX major updates in the 12 years since the last HTML "standard", and the latest version has 98% support. By the time HTML6 comes out Flash is going to be another 12 years ahead of it because the browser manufacturers move slower than the United Nations when it comes to deciding to collectively support features. Thank goodness Flash isn't governed by a standards body.

And Adobe bought Macromedia less than FIVE years ago genius.
 
Nice site. ;)

That's YOUR web you're not seeing. That's YOUR experience you're not having. Crawl into bed. Pull the covers over your head. Curl up into the fetal position. Buy product. Don't have the experience they don't want you to have. Good boy.
 
Your analogy sucks. Comparing Flash and HTML5 to a guy poking you in the eye with a stick would make sense if both were purely negative.

Critics claim Flash sucks because it's a battery drain and has high CPU usage.

But now that people are actually testing HTML5 there's a lot of downplaying the fact that it's a comparatively poor performer when it comes to complex animation.

HTML5 banner ads haven't been proven to suck any less. Especially when all the good HTML5 demos are bringing mobile Safari to it's knees on iOS.


Your reading comprehension sucks. I've said it twice. Here is number 3. If you are not intentionally going to a flash site - that is, if all that flash is doing is making your banner ads be extra intrusive - you are much better off disabling flash and improving your battery life. The argument that disabling flash in that scenario makes no sense because some day HTML5 ads will sick just as much is the argument i was addressing with my analogy.

Maybe all those distracting flash ads are making it hard for you to concentrate.
 
It's called facts and reality. Something that Mr Jobs prefers to ignore or distort.

Do you think that HTML5 -- which is used as a synonym for a bundle of various different technologies -- is a magic bullet that does video playback or running interactive content at zero cost?

Just look at what happens to your precious battery when you watch a movie with it with Apple's own software -- it'll drain very, very quickly, because playing back video content is extremely expensive.


Explain this, smart guy. I've taken a screenshot of the same video on youtube on html5 and flash at 720p. Here are my activity monitor readings...

Don't believe me? Do the same on your system and take a look. While you're at it, do some soul searching and ask yourself why you can seem both well informed and quixotic at the same time.
 

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When will Adobe throw in the towel. No one likes flash anymore it isn't cool, the most it is "okay" for is games, and do we really need to support more flash based games? Most of which are crap anyhow.
 
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