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Adobe Enables Mac Hardware-Accelerated Decoding in Updated Flash Player 10.1

pmz said:
This is total crap. My 2.5 year old iMac is more than capable, but its not on the list. Adobe's website gives no indication that downloading and installing this will do absolutely nothing.

Waste of 5 minutes. I hate Adobe more and more every day.
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Better than my 2 week old i7 iMac. While it falls into the required date range, it does not have one of the blessed NVIDIA GPUs.
 
Ah!

inlovewithi said:
I understand you guys had your problems, but you were suggesting that people who get Windows 7 are going to have wireless and UI glitches, and I haven't seen any. I've been using Vista this past week, no problems at all, and 7 before that, and before that Vista again. Vista was rushed, but the 1st service pack made things pretty much normal, especially as drivers that supported Vista kept coming out. I'm using Vista right now because I can't simply go to Apple and download the Windows 7 drivers, and the bluetooth and lack of sound was really annoying, because of no drivers. (Had to buy a USB sound card.) In order for me to get the latest drivers for 7 I have to buy snow leopard, and I refuse to do that, because I'm really not appreciating Apple forcing people to buy their latest product, while in the PC world you simply go to the product's website and download the latest drivers.
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The biggest problem is I'm (currently) in a building with three floors of people on laptops with wireless. I think any operating system, potentially, could have issues with it.

Interestingly, this morning my Windows 7 laptop indicated there was a flash update for the PC side that included hardware acceleration and security updates. Hmmm.
 
I think this is on Adobe. Not because I think 'Apple are always right', but because Flash is even WORSE on Linux. When I had a PC earlier this year, I had it set up to dual-boot between Windows and Ubuntu Linux. Flash played fine on Windows 7, but it was terrible on Linux, even worse than I've ever seen it on any Mac I've used it on. Adobe would have access to the Linux kernel and any drivers associated with it, because it's an open-source platform. Adobe obviously failed at it, so I think this has more to do with them than Apple publishing the libraries late. Not that Apple is completely innocent, either; I do think that they could have cooperated with Adobe more, but I just think that Adobe offers crappy Flash support to non-Microsoft OSes.
 
It's a start

Unscientific playing around on my core i7 mid-2010 MBP using Firefox/YouTube (non-full screen mode):

* Pre-Flash update: CPU spikes at 75%-ish
* Post-Flash update: CPU spikes at 55%-ish

I'll take anything I can get with Flash - hopefully Adobe and Apple can improve on this as time goes by.

Edit: A couple more updates:

* Safari post-update seems to take about 35% CPU and Flash Plugin 43-45% CPU when running YouTube in non-full screen mode. Bouncing up to full-screen mode, the Flash Plugin goes to about 75%.
 
blunderboy said:
I think this is on Adobe. Not because I think 'Apple are always right', but because Flash is even WORSE on Linux. When I had a PC earlier this year, I had it set up to dual-boot between Windows and Ubuntu Linux. Flash played fine on Windows 7, but it was terrible on Linux, even worse than I've ever seen it on any Mac I've used it on. Adobe would have access to the Linux kernel and any drivers associated with it, because it's an open-source platform. Adobe obviously failed at it, so I think this has more to do with them than Apple publishing the libraries late. Not that Apple is completely innocent, either; I do think that they could have cooperated with Adobe more, but I just think that Adobe offers crappy Flash support to non-Microsoft OSes.
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I have a 1.66 Dual Core PC running Ubuntu 10.0.4 Netbook Edition and Flash runs ok to me.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
I have a 1.66 Dual Core PC running Ubuntu 10.0.4 Netbook Edition and Flash runs ok to me.
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Maybe Adobe updated Flash, or the next version of Ubuntu had better drivers? I was using Lucid Lynx when I had the bad Flash issues. It wasn't my computer itself, because as I said, Flash was fine on Windows.
 
went to google finance on my iphone and it says you need Flash for the interactive charts. i guess Google is not into this HTML5 thing yet
 
I got 9400M macbook
I saw no improvement at all
in fact, I think the performance might have degraded a bit
 
Adobe would have access to the Linux kernel and any drivers associated with it, because it's an open-source platform.
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Having access to the source means nothing, with respect to hardware and API access on distributions that they haven't modified.
 
andiwm2003 said:
I can blame Adobe. They could simply licence quicktime and use the quicktime format and movie player for all video.
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Uh ? How does that help them get access to hardware decoded frames so they can add overlays and do other processing before using their custom compositing code (which is hardware accelerated also) to display it onscreen ?

It doesn't. It also creates a huge mess for any platform that isn't OS X. Mainly Linux which lacks a Quicktime port in the first place.

You're suggesting nonsense. :rolleyes:

blunderboy said:
I think this is on Adobe. Not because I think 'Apple are always right', but because Flash is even WORSE on Linux.

Adobe obviously failed at it, so I think this has more to do with them than Apple publishing the libraries late.
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Uh ? Again, how is it Adobe's fault that Apple shipped the API in 10.6.3 with support for a very limited range of hardware ?

And Linux ? Are you going to really play that card ? The "Linux has a fragmented support for hardware h264 decoding and no one can agree to one" card ? Seriously ? With a straight face ? AVCHD or VDPAU ?

Ridiculous how far people go to blame Adobe and spare Apple.

Mattie Num Nums said:
HTML5 is not a standard yet.
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And google is one of its top backers. They were backing and pushing HTML5 way before Apple even had it as a glimpse in their eye.
 
Yamcha said:
I don't know why people keep on bashing flash, I could care less about it crashing
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Could NOT care less.

Could. NOT.

Could NOT care less.

COULD NOT

Geez.

If you "could care less" then your care-o-meter is above zero, and there is room and potential for you to care less. Meaning you do care.

Why do so many people struggle to understand basic English?

ObFlash: As a user, I find it to be a necessary evil rather than desirable. As an administrator, I'll take what minor improvements they eke out of it while I have to support Adobe's poorly thought out products. (Although AAMEE is an improvement.)
 
BRLawyer said:
Of course not; it's Adobe we're talking about here.
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Except again, the hardware support comes from Apple and what they deemed worthy for inclusion in the Video Decode Acceleration framework, not Adobe :

http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/technotes/tn2010/tn2267.html

Apple can add any hardware it wants, Adobe doesn't have to change a line of code. If some hardware is not supported, it's not on Adobe.

I see the Apple fans trying to drown this and spin it as being Adobe's fault even with the weight of evidence being against them.
 
KnightWRX said:
Except again, the hardware support comes from Apple and what they deemed worthy for inclusion in the Video Decode Acceleration framework, not Adobe :

http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/technotes/tn2010/tn2267.html

Apple can add any hardware it wants, Adobe doesn't have to change a line of code. If some hardware is not supported, it's not on Adobe.

I see the Apple fans trying to drown this and spin it as being Adobe's fault even with the weight of evidence being against them.
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With or without this more-than-late hardware "acceleration", Flash is a CPU-hog and probably the greatest example of lazy, bad coding on OS X...but I don't need to get into that again...Flash is moribund, after all.
 
BRLawyer said:
With or without this more-than-late hardware "acceleration", Flash is a CPU-hog and probably the greatest example of lazy, bad coding on OS X...but I don't need to get into that again...Flash is moribund, after all.
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Yeah, Flash hogged so much CPU on my P2-333 running under Linux. I seriously couldn't have spent so much time in the early 2000s on newgrounds.com.

Yep, all my imagination. :rolleyes:

BRLAWYER IS DEAD. APPLE IS DEAD.
 
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