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Not sure where you get $600 per year from ..

Photography plan is $10/month and Indesign is $20/month.

So it is $360 per year, not $600 per year. Photography plan also gives you Lightroom and iPad versions of Lightroom and Photoshop.

If you want to bring up Lightroom, my Design Standard also has Illustrator.

And I forgot when I said $700..that was for the initial version, the upgrade version would have been $200. $200 every few years is cheaper than $360 per year and I get Illustrator.
 
If you want to bring up Lightroom, my Design Standard also has Illustrator.

And I forgot when I said $700..that was for the initial version, the upgrade version would have been $200. $200 every few years is cheaper than $360 per year and I get Illustrator.
Not sure why you are pushing some revisionist pricing history? Is it to make the subscription prices look worse?

Design standard bundle suite outright price was $1299.

Photoshop CS6 was $699 or $999 for the extended edition. Creative cloud photography plan includes a superset of the Photoshop extended edition.
 
Not sure where you get $600 per year from ..

Photography plan is $10/month and Indesign is $20/month.

So it is $360 per year, not $600 per year. Photography plan also gives you Lightroom and iPad versions of Lightroom and Photoshop.
Photoshop is $44 a month in the UK ($527 per annum).
 
I've used Illustrator professionally for years and continue to use it as my main tool in spite of the great, newer alternatives (Affinity, some other smaller ones) because of my scripts, plugins, extensions, and overall workflow.

For everyone who complains about Illustrator, instead of complaining you can just use a different program. As these programs grow in popularity, pressure is put on Adobe to update Illustrator in a more meaningful way (you know, the huge lack of speed)...

And for the SaaS haters, I've been using Adobe programs for ~15 years and absolutely prefer the subscription model. I think if you take the time to look at it critically from both sides of the table (the business and the consumer) it makes a lot more sense to offer the Adobe software in that way.

I'd be interested to hear from people who don't like the subscription model why they think it's a "ripoff"?

"For everyone who complains about Illustrator, instead of complaining you can just use a different program."

That did occur to us.
 
there will be LOTS of Audio plugins that will either A : Take forever to covert to ARM or B: Never ever make the transition to ARM. MOST AUDIO PRO's will move over to Windows 10 for compatibility and endless choices in software and leave Mac.
This is happening in several areas. Same thing going on in design offices. The M1 is real neat, but there’s no future for CAD on arm macs, nor is there going to be (unless Apple buys Autodesk or Dassault & forces them to, which they won’t) so it’s the end of the road for Apple hardware. ...in design. Ouch.

The only way around it is for Apple to offer a top spec intel “pro” model to satisfy these otyerwise abandoned markets, but what message would that send? Here’s our product line with our own chipsets, oh, but our absolute top of the line models run intel. ! Nope, they have to commit 100% and warp reality to fit, just like they committed to the iPad as their only solution for tablet computing.
 
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This is happening in several areas. Same thing going on in design offices. The M1 is real neat, but there’s no future for CAD on arm macs, nor is there going to be (unless Apple buys Autodesk or Dassault & forces them to, which they won’t) so it’s the end of the road for Apple hardware. ...in design. Ouch.

The only way around it is for Apple to offer a top spec intel “pro” model to satisfy these otyerwise abandoned markets, but what message would that send? Here’s our product line with our own chipsets, oh, but our absolute top of the line models run intel. ! Nope, they have to commit 100% and warp reality to fit, just like they committed to the iPad as their only solution for tablet computing.
The Mac is a secondary market for Autodesk, but they have a growing Mac user base for AutoCAD. Why would they not support Apple Silicon? Could be beneficial and lucrative for them to do so, especially if they’re on top of it now. Not sure why you would say there’s no future for CAD on ARM Macs. That’s pretty short sighted. I’m saying this as a long-time (over 25 years) AutoCAD user. Not only that, but Fusion 360 is hugely popular on the Mac, is officially being ported to Apple Silicon Macs, and Autodesk is actively offering support for Fusion 360 users running it via Rosetta2 on M1 Macs... I will assume that AutoCAD will make the Apple Silicon migration, although they have yet to officially announce anything. They are actively supporting Mac users running it on M1 system. A quick peek in their support forums will tell you that.

Of course, they still have several software tools that have not made it to the Mac. That will change if people keep activating Mac seats with their licenses. I run AutoCAD on a Windows workstation and my 16” MBP when I’m mobile.
 
Odd, i only pay £9.99 a month
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I think they should offer a build your own subscription for less. They have some bundles for photography, but it would be nice to bundle a few apps and save some money. Like PS, LR, and Illustrator are my bread and butter for my personal work so like $30-35/mo would be good. It needs more flexibility.

Agreed! That would be nice.

In the old days... Adobe did offer various suites at different prices:

$1,299 - Design Standard
$1,799 - Design & Web Premium
$1,899 - Production Premium
$2,599 - Master Collection

But now that they've switched to monthly subscriptions (which I like) my only option is the equivalent of the old Master Collection... every single Adobe app.

Hardly anyone needs all that!

I could see them continue to charge $50/mo for the full package... but $35/mo for the smaller suites.

Or like you said... pick a few applications and create your own bundle. My top picks would be Photoshop, Premiere Pro, and Lightroom Classic... though I use Audition occasionally... and Illustrator once in a while. It would be nice to at least have the option to customize your subscription.

Here's where it gets sticky, though. Right now Adobe will let you subscribe to one application for $20/mo... or you can get 30 applications for $50/mo... :oops:

That's how they get ya!

That said... I'm a happy Adobe subscriber of the full package. I can pay the month's fee with just an hour of work. And I agree about TypeKit. That used to be a separate monthly fee on its own.

One day I'm gonna teach myself After Effects. I've got it... and I'm paying for it, after all... :p
 
Has anyone tried this Beta out yet to see how it performs?
Yes... Played with it a bit. Our M1 13” MBP is not an ideal system for running Illustrator, IMO and was just done to try it. Runs fine. Actually is a bit faster than the Intel version for some thing, but overall can’t see much difference. As this thread has discussed, Illustrator is somewhat of an old dog that needs some real attention to optimize for current hardware. At this point, I don’t think there’s much going on here other than a straight up recompile for Apple Silicon.
 
Yes... Played with it a bit. Our M1 13” MBP is not an ideal system for running Illustrator, IMO and was just done to try it. Runs fine. Actually is a bit faster than the Intel version for some thing, but overall can’t see much difference. As this thread has discussed, Illustrator is somewhat of an old dog that needs some real attention to optimize for current hardware. At this point, I don’t think there’s much going on here other than a straight up recompile for Apple Silicon.
Yeah. Illustrator seems ancient when put up against Affinity (or almost any other software for that matter(. But it's what a lot of still have to use for various reasons. I was hoping they would take this Apple Silicon opportunity to rewrite the code base, but it sounds like they are just recompiling.

I encourage everyone to weigh in on this thread. Adobe monitors it and responds. This particular "feature request" has basically devolved into just pointing out how outdated the software is. More voices there can't hurt.

https://illustrator.uservoice.com/f...423296-make-illustrator-multi-threaded-on-cpu
 
Yeahhh, I may have sniffed too much of the glue on the glossy Autodesk/Dassault brochures, because since we ditched AutoCAD & static modeling for parametric solid modelers in 2004, I‘ve since somewhat bought into the hype that AutoCAD only exists to service archived legacy projects & otherwise has no future. With PLM, FEA, Simulation, Machining, etc... it’s easy to write acad off into the sunset. Industry voices spent a decade trying to get get A & D to port Inventor, SW, and Catia from Win to OS X, and that was the easy era when both were running on Intel, but after Adesk lost the $ they did just doing Acad, both A & D explained it would take years to recoup such costs, & there would be no further gigantic rewrites for extra OS’s. Adesk didn’t even bother doing their flagship Inventor, they just gave everyone Fusion/360 instead, which is just a big broswer-based dumbterminal, avoiding the platform problem altogether. Perhaps the situation will improve somehow, but considering the stubbornness of both co’s, I don’t see how. But all that ignores that probably a majority of at least Architecture firms can still run perfectly functional projects on Acad without the costs associated with Revit. ...I mean I still know of small firm Architects who calculate they were better off with an experienced table drafter, if they could find one under 70.
 
Affinity Designer is great value for money. I just so wish it had a tool for laying down dimensions. It’s a pain in the butt if you use it to sketch up a room layout design, for this reason.
The Affinity team is in pretty good touch with its users. A lot of them told the team their need for a dimensioning tool. I have seen the team to give in for such demands. The Designers guides already are halve way there anyway
 

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Yeah I don't see it either, did you find a fix for this?
Apparently it is, for the time being, a closed beta.
It is still good news that some kind of beta is in development, as I encountered a few issues with Illustrator on rosetta 2.
 
I hate Illustrator. Affinity Designer has a much better UI in my opinion. I use inDesign fairly regularly. It’s bloated but I know how to work my way around it. I would like to dive into Affinity Publisher more.
 
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