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Adobe Offering Photoshop CC and Lightroom for $9.99/Month to Current Photoshop Owners
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Sounds like vendors are trying very hard to go to the subscription model. PASS! Is like the $35 dollars printer and every cartridge $50, or subsidized phones and you end up paying dearly each month regardless of usage.
I feel sorry for the people who paid full price, they must feel even more stupid now.
For what, PS CC.
I have read that anyone who started a PS CC Single App subscription will be automatically transferred to the LR/PS deal. I hope that what i read is correct.
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I paid $50 for 4 years of Office 365 which includes any update (ie:Office 2014 then 2015 etc) compared to $9.99/month for this.
$479/4 years vs $50/4 years. Let me get my Visa. What's Adobe's site again?
Yeah, you can't really compare an industry standard production tool with Word.
Open Office is free - does that mean Abode CC should be free?
When no one upgrades and instead sticks with CS5 and CS6 I'm sure they will start getting a bit worried.
Gimp is free and there are plenty of Adobe alternatives that are free or very low cost that get the job done as well.
Just saying. I only got Office 365 because it was so cheap for 4 years. Adobe is saying give me money for a product you'll never own a copy of.
Meh whatever.
I'll be sticking with CS6 for as long as possible. As someone who only uses Photoshop and Illustrator Creative Clown is a bad deal for me. My usage is 100% web design / UI and since the trend towards responsive design I've been feeling uncomfortable using PS for designing websites. It just doesn't feel like quite the right tool for the job anymore.
The whole CC thing has forced me to be more proactive and look at alternative applications. I've been using Sketch.app a bit and I quite like it. The only downside is that because the files aren't an industry standard I have to pick the projects I use it on carefully, typically that means the smaller projects where the deliverable is the end product, not the graphic files.
I know Adobe have been building a lot of new web design tools under the Edge name but if they're not going to sell copies I'm not interested in renting them for the next 20 years.
The whole CC thing has forced me to be more proactive and look at alternative applications. I've been using Sketch.app a bit and I quite like it. The only downside is that because the files aren't an industry standard I have to pick the projects I use it on carefully, typically that means the smaller projects where the deliverable is the end product, not the graphic files.
I know Adobe have been building a lot of new web design tools under the Edge name but if they're not going to sell copies I'm not interested in renting them for the next 20 years.
I totally agree with this.
If you're complaining about the cost of CC, then you're unlikely to really need it and there are alternatives. For pros making a living with digital media CC makes a lot of financial sense.
why not? if we're going to be generalising without statistical proof, most pros would upgrade CS every two years. current pricing of CC means that CC is considerably cheaper with this model of behaviour.
Many of Adobe's products are mature and fully featured for a lot of professionals. They don't need new features. Adobe has been nailing things on top of PDF and Acrobat for several versions.
The vast majority of work can be done with much older versions of Photoshop --lots of the new features mostly amount to saving time or needing a little less skill to be input.
(OK, time is money, and there are some genuine feature gaps in some of their software.)
But instead of fixing long-standing bugs, which would attract old customers, they're going for the shiny unnecessary features.
Take a look at the Adobe CC forums, and you'll see thousands of complaints -- advertised features in CC still not implemented; Cloud outages and deleted files; problems with authorisation, downloading and over-charging. There's even a massive thread discussing alternative professional programs.
If you're just using Photoshop, then maybe you can get Preview to open up your .psd files if you stop subscribing. (Good luck with any really heavy file, though.)
Try that with InDesign files. The lock-in is real.
Adobe's rental model is nothing more than a protection racket. "Those are some lovely files you've got there. Be a shame if something happened to them."
Yes, as a professional, I earn more than $30 a month. But CC is not my only cost. I have fat years and lean years: on the rental model, my basic running costs have permanently increased, rather than me deciding to treat myself to an upgrade when I have the cash (or even credit) set aside for that.
Adobe now has no incentive to provide all the bug fixes it claims users are now paying for.
The other myth is that I get all the apps for a cheaper price than the Master Suite. How many people use ALL the apps? How many video editors use InDesign? How many printers use Flash? The whole thing is a false economy.
People ARE running away from Adobe, screaming. This "deal" is evidence that the CC model isn't working.
The vast majority of work can be done with much older versions of Photoshop --lots of the new features mostly amount to saving time or needing a little less skill to be input.
(OK, time is money, and there are some genuine feature gaps in some of their software.)
But instead of fixing long-standing bugs, which would attract old customers, they're going for the shiny unnecessary features.
Take a look at the Adobe CC forums, and you'll see thousands of complaints -- advertised features in CC still not implemented; Cloud outages and deleted files; problems with authorisation, downloading and over-charging. There's even a massive thread discussing alternative professional programs.
If you're just using Photoshop, then maybe you can get Preview to open up your .psd files if you stop subscribing. (Good luck with any really heavy file, though.)
Try that with InDesign files. The lock-in is real.
Adobe's rental model is nothing more than a protection racket. "Those are some lovely files you've got there. Be a shame if something happened to them."
Yes, as a professional, I earn more than $30 a month. But CC is not my only cost. I have fat years and lean years: on the rental model, my basic running costs have permanently increased, rather than me deciding to treat myself to an upgrade when I have the cash (or even credit) set aside for that.
Adobe now has no incentive to provide all the bug fixes it claims users are now paying for.
The other myth is that I get all the apps for a cheaper price than the Master Suite. How many people use ALL the apps? How many video editors use InDesign? How many printers use Flash? The whole thing is a false economy.
People ARE running away from Adobe, screaming. This "deal" is evidence that the CC model isn't working.
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I think this is a bridge to the consumer vs professional. $120 a year is approachable for most people. The CS via subscription is not ideal my gut say's we're going to see a the CS hit retail again and there'll be more of this bundle for everyone else.
This exactly. They can give up adding any new features, they have no need to appeal to customers with shiny new things, or even fixes for old things.
The customer service representative in that chat was incorrect. The version of Photoshop included in the photography bundle is the full Creative Cloud version and includes future updates and new versions as well as 3D functionality.
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...for non-professionals that don't need the power and tools of PS
I'm glad there are alternatives for people that don't need PS - because as much as CC completely suits my workflow (I use a high percentage of the suite) and works for me financially I understand that for some people it doesn't.
Maybe eventually there will be no more threads on MacRumors with people whining about the Adobe subscription model.
I will continue to "whine" about Adobe's subscription model because it stinks. If they had confidence in that model they wouldn't have discontinued the "buy it outright" option. It's just laze on their part, they deserve to be whined about.
Why not, there are advantages to renting (1) it costs less then buying every upgrade and (2) tax deductions, rental is 100% deductible operating expense.
You after tax cost could be less but that depends on a lot of details.
Not saying I'll do this but for some one making their living using Adobe it is reasonable. But fore most photographers "Photoshop Elements" is enough.
In the UK, software purchase is fully tax deductible for self-employed people; businesses can also offset it against tax as a capital investment.
Also, there are significant different accounting implications between monthly outlay and occasional expenditure.
Also, I dispute that the Cash Cloud is cheaper. Maybe if you purchased the Master Collection. But most people work within a smaller skill set. As I've said above, book designers don't need video software; video designers don't need DTP software.
If we were all buying every upgrade Adobe wouldn't be forcing this rental crap on us in the first place. I suspect most users weren't upgrading to every update, for them CC is not cheaper, not by a long stretch.
Thank you for that clarification. I'm don't know why it is being cloud based software.
The problem I have is you are forced to do whatever Adobe dictates. If they decide to can the product, you're stuck with nothing. If they decide to dissolve, sell out, etc., you're left in the darkroom by yourself after 30 days. There is no guarantee how long a company or product will be solvent. I'd expect Adobe to be around for a long time too but the unexpected happens all the time.
True. Save your old installs.
If they failed that hard, they might just let the software live on without checking in.And yeah, the name is stupid.
Please forgive ahead of time my comments -
Adobe can cram it with their forced new scheme of on line stuff. I prefer to pay for my software, use it when I want, skip a month if need be and then some. This entire on line and cloud stuff is way over rated and a cash box for Adobe.
In my estimates, the right thing they should have done is left it as a choice rather than force us to make the move so to speak for future upgrades (Photoshop). I guess CS6 will be my last purchase from Adobe.
Aperture, Pixelmator, Corel's products in a virtual and GIMP are looking better and better each day.
Adobe can cram it with their forced new scheme of on line stuff. I prefer to pay for my software, use it when I want, skip a month if need be and then some. This entire on line and cloud stuff is way over rated and a cash box for Adobe.
In my estimates, the right thing they should have done is left it as a choice rather than force us to make the move so to speak for future upgrades (Photoshop). I guess CS6 will be my last purchase from Adobe.
Aperture, Pixelmator, Corel's products in a virtual and GIMP are looking better and better each day.