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Multitouch is in addition, not to replace...

What serious graphic designer is going to be using a laptop without a mouse? o_O

Who says without a mouse, surely this is in addition to existing input devices? I currently use mouse and tablet almost simultaneously - both have their strengths, and adding a trackpad to this mix would not only help, but also continue to aid in the fight against rsi - more hand movements during twelve hour shifts...
 
What serious graphic designer is going to be using a laptop without a mouse? o_O

Well, as a serious former art director (Ive been in video land for awhile), I use the trackpad on the laptop all the time. Faster than a mouse.

Albeit, in the yesteryears when I worked at Coke, I used the trackball.

Peace

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Kind of hard not to. I don't see a way to turn them off.

I just wish MacRumors (and other Mac-related sites) would understand that the userbase has changed and we're honestly not interested in advertising, publishing or graphic design work.

You personally might not be, but a great deal of us are - those that invest large amounts on mac hardware and regular updates do tend to be business customers, and a large section of mac users are still in the design and media section - if i've got to put up with constant wittering about that phone, you can soon skip the articles about the one of the biggest software companies in the world.
 
"if you hold the space bar down, click and drag the image when it is zoomed in and then let go, the picture will continue to move before slowing and coming to rest."

Shouldn't this happen with the shift key (not the space bar) like other visuals in OS X? (for those who don't know, minimize a window while holding down the shift key; also works for Dashboard and many other things)
 
Given the current advertising/graphic design market, I think you need to find a new profession. But I digress.

What are you talking about? My industry is one of the most stable - I'm making more and developing more opportunities all the time. As long as there is commerce (and that consumer society you keep prattling on about is what drives it), people will need design, advertising, marketing, websites. Even with a rough economy, those are their valuable to tools for trying to survive it.

You are sounding more and more like a troll than anything.
 
"if you hold the space bar down, click and drag the image when it is zoomed in and then let go, the picture will continue to move before slowing and coming to rest."

Shouldn't this happen with the shift key (not the space bar) like other visuals in OS X? (for those who don't know, minimize a window while holding down the shift key; also works for Dashboard and many other things)

No. Spacebar is what activates the "hand" tool in PS, which lets you click and drag your screen view around your canvas. Now instead of click-drag, click-drag, it is click-fling, click to stop or let fake friction slow it to a stop.
 
Oh yeah, that'll be great for those rare moments when I'm even using Photoshop without my Cintiq...

Still, cool news. But ever since I got a bit more involved with iPhoto, I've found I can leave Photoshop closed most times aside from when doing something really intensive.
 
You personally might not be, but a great deal of us are - those that invest large amounts on mac hardware and regular updates do tend to be business customers, and a large section of mac users are still in the design and media section - if i've got to put up with constant wittering about that phone, you can soon skip the articles about the one of the biggest software companies in the world.

What do you think Apple makes a larger margin on: the millions of Macs out there or the 100+ million iPods/iPhones? There's a reason they took "Computer" out of their company name.
 
What are you talking about? My industry is one of the most stable - I'm making more and developing more opportunities all the time. As long as there is commerce (and that consumer society you keep prattling on about is what drives it), people will need design, advertising, marketing, websites.

It's nothing compared to the IT industry nowadays. We're the only ones making our way through this downturn unscathed.
 
Multi-touch in Photoshop CS4 sucks. I've been using Photoshop CS4 for at least 6 months.

The multi-touch is terrible, you do pinch to zoom, but at the same time it starts spinning the image, and it's impossible to control. Then you have to go up and do to clicks to fix the spin issue, no way to turn it off either...
 
What serious graphic designer is going to be using a laptop without a mouse? o_O

I prefer a trackpad to a mouse. And I'm a graphic designer. It pays my bills, so I guess I'm pretty serious about it.

I'd love nothing more than a big stand-alone wacom-style trackpad (that works).
 
It's nothing compared to the IT industry nowadays. We're the only ones making our way through this downturn unscathed.

So, since you can't win an argument about user interest in photoshop, you're turning this into a discussion of which industry is more stable. And you're doing it in a very "my industry is better than yours" kind of way, I might add.

Whether you like it or not, productive apps like Photoshop (yes, Photoshop is a productive app, despite your uniformed opinion) are important to many users. Creative Suite is one of the highest selling apps on the Mac. Please don't try to deny that.

Also, you don't have to read the articles. Sure, you will have to see them on the front page, but you don't have to click them.
 
Kind of hard not to. I don't see a way to turn them off.

Skip over them and don't make any comments. How hard is that?

we're honestly not interested in advertising, publishing or graphic design work.

"We"? Don't ever attempt to speak for anyone else but yourself. And you are wrong.

What do you think Apple makes a larger margin on: the millions of Macs out there or the 100+ million iPods/iPhones?

The Macs, obviously. Macs account for 61% of Apple's total revenue, and have higher profit margins per unit, and have much higher growth these days since iPod sales flattened due to market saturation.

I'd suggest that you cease being such a whiny baby and deal with it.

--Eric
 
The user may "include" you, just as the voterbase may "include" handicapped people. It doesn't mean 9/10 of the articles regarding the candidates wooing voters should focus on handicapped voters. If you're in the minority, you should take a back seat to the majority (especially when ads pay the bills here and eyeballs = ads).

Speaking as one of the many contributing (meaning monetary) members of Macrumors, I do appreciate the coverage on professional applications like photoshop, and other design / graphics software. Many of us use them, and enjoy seeing more than just coverage on iPhones and iPod touch models.

With regards to your IT industry comments, it takes time for economy changes to effect our (meaning I work in IT (Managed Services)) industry with regards to economic downturn. You can be rest assured that it will effect us, much like it did late in 2001.

That being said, I understand your arguments, however I see (as do many) Macrumors as a melting pot of many mac related interests. Some find a specific group of topics interesting, while others do not. it is the nature of a community based on a platform of multipurpose devices and software.


Peace,

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We actually did a study of 500 design professionals recently. 80% of them (HUGE!) said they prefer to use a trackpad over a mouse.


I personally used to use a wireless logitech mouse whenever I "docked" but now find myself using the trackpad. If you use it for a year solid, you'll be much more accurate than you can be with a mouse. It surprises even me.
 
We actually did a study of 500 design professionals recently. 80% of them (HUGE!) said they prefer to use a trackpad over a mouse.


I personally used to use a wireless logitech mouse whenever I "docked" but now find myself using the trackpad. If you use it for a year solid, you'll be much more accurate than you can be with a mouse. It surprises even me.

That doesn't surprise me. I haven't even touched a mouse in almost half a decade! :cool:
 
I think you have a bad attitude, and are incredibly self-absorbed. If you aren't interested in an article, then DON'T CLICK ON IT AND READ IT!

Apple computers continue to have a large presence in the visual arts, especially in digital photography, video production, graphic design, web design, advertising, etc. These industries are what kept Apple alive and relevant for the past two decades, and they will continue to do so. Moreover, Adobe in particular has had a tight connection with Apple going back for decades, and Adobe's products, especially digital imaging and design products like Photoshop, Illustrator, and their cheap "Elements" versions are used throughout many industries by professionals and amateurs alike, and yes that includes use in the home by "consumers." Major new versions of *any* popular software, including Photoshop, is perfectly relevant material for a website oriented around the name "Mac". If you want to limit your reading to reviews of trivial computer games, then this website is not where you belong.

How about they focus on what the majority are interested in? Sounds a lot more logical to me. Most consumers today focus on consumer applications of Macs (Internet, word processing, games, etc), iPods and iPhones.

So you are speaking for the majority now? Have you studied the demographics of Apple computer owners? I don't think it really matters what the most "popular" area of interest is -- This website covers "all things Mac", and is not limited to a narrowly defined subject area. But as a general rule, Mac users, and the actual platform itself have traditionally been much more involved with visual arts, media production, software development, scientific computing, and higher education areas than computer gaming. Certainly, Apple has expanded greatly into consumer electronics, and websites have included a lot of content on the iPod and iPhone developments, but remember, this is MAC RUMORS, not iPhoneLounge or Gamestop.


What do you think Apple makes a larger margin on: the millions of Macs out there or the 100+ million iPods/iPhones? There's a reason they took "Computer" out of their company name.

Actually, they make the majority of their money on computer systems. :confused:


CS4 is a "productive" app? Mostly I see it used for creating (godawful) advertisements and occasionally creative artistic endeavors -- like artwork for movies and... (gasp)... games. "Productive" apps are things like Excel.

If Photoshop was wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow, civilization would go on (and would likely be better as a result). If Excel was, given the number of financial companies that still use it (you know, "productive" work), we'd be majorly screwed.

Oh dear... First of all, "productivity", as in "production output" would most definitely include visual arts applications like Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc. As the source of all the artwork, layout, and production of the vast majority of websites, magazines, journals, newspapers, billboards, the industry easily is responsible for tens of billions of dollars.

Judging by your statements, I would have to guess you are an finance or I.T. but either way, definitely one of the philistine types, right? In addition to graphic arts, do you also find music, literature, film, dance and other creative endeavors to be worthless? What about intellectual pursuits? philosophy? Scientific inquiry?
 
And on a slightly different note...the ripoff continues..

Photoshop CS4 UK price = Full from £887.12 £755.00 ex VAT

That's £755 WITHOUT sales (VAT in EU) tax...

Photoshop CS4 US price = US $699.00

So at today's exchange rate...

755.00 GBP = 1,403.48 USD

Do you see the problem????

Really, Adobe are taking the P***:mad:
 
Do you see the problem????

Really, Adobe are taking the P***:mad:

But you need to take into account the EU translation costs, the different economies and relative costs of living, export duties... you're not being gouged. :rolleyes: You've gotta love it when they just swap the $ price to a £ price, but this is even worse!

Jeez, and they have the stones to call the people that download it "pirates"... :p if there's any daylight robbery going on here, Adobe started it... yarr.
 
What major improvements would you like to see made to Photoshop?

I personally find working with a mouse in PS much easier than on a track pad, and I doubt that the multitouch features thrown into CS4 will change my mind on this. Prior to reading through the posts, I thought most serious photoshop users were of the same opinion, but my sense now is that it is really a mixed bag out there.

Other than nifty or fun features added onto PS (like multitouch), are there any major or serious enhancements to the PS interface (or the entire CS lineup for that matter) you would like to see made?
 
Hopefully they will update Lightroom 2, so I can use multitouch on that! Since I don't run Safari, iPhoto, etc. I haven't had the chance to use multitouch yet!
 
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