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Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by *LTD*, Sep 1, 2010.
They're right. When I played an Fox episode of Bones on Android, it overlaid a quick notice that "This video is not optimized for mobile", before it began. It was jerky, but watchable.
Reminds me of back when the iPhone first came out and how slow some internet sites came up on it, because they weren't optimized for mobile.
But at least it played on Android.
All I got under iOS was a blank white square with "This player is not enabled for HTML5 delivery". Ouch, indeed.
"Nothing is slower than being stopped." - embedded engineer saying
It's worse on iOS devices. Far worse.
lol, best post today
Those pesky little facts killing the Apple Fanboys attacks.
It not optimis for mobile like you said and as someone else said it is a sure a hell of a lot better than what iOS has. But those pesky little facts do not get in the way or bashing non apple products.
The conclusion is still the same: Flash is unsuitable for mobile devices. Little disclaimers do nothing to improve the experience. They just notify you about what you're about to experience: i.e., "this is going to suck balls, so get ready."
Steve says, either an optimized Flash or nothing. Current tech exists to make the experience great, and Apple chooses that experience, and with drama, publicity, and great products pushes the rest of this copycat industry forward toward that experience.
Why have bad tech on a great phone? I can understand the tendency to settle for less with Android. Fine. The entire OS is a testament to cutting corners. But with the iPhone? Please.
You want to be able to "choose" a lousy experience? Go right ahead, while Apple sets the mobile standard. You can thank them later when suddenly your mediocre experience gets "optimized" (in a very non-Flash way.)
Flash doesn't cut it, whether on a mediocre mobile OS (Android), or on a superior mobile OS (iOS.)
You can easily find reports that suggest the opposite and praise Android for including flash.
If you want to use Flash, you can, if you dont, you dont.
Sure it does AND at least I can visit any site on the internet that has flash in it. Too bad you can't with your phone.
Yeah the initial version needs to have some of the bugs shaken out. Like apple never had a product that needed to be refined
While you may have disdain to anything that's non-apple and your myopic view that apple is God, android is a very good OS, in so far many people are choosing that because it fits there needs.
Step aside from your fanboyism for one second and just see that some products fit peoples need more then others. That means folks are not settling on android but finding it meets their needs.
You're right. Apple's never cut corners. That's why there are no proximity sensor issues on the iPhone 4, no antenna issues on the iPhone 4, and iOS 4 is as smooth as butter on the iPhone 3G
Is that going to be your agrument? It is not optimized yet so it always going to suck.
Lets flip it around and use it against clearly your favorite phone and look at the iPhone on day one.
Lets see 2G iphone had
No Copy paste
Can not install 3rd party apps
No Multi tasking (iPhone has wanna be multi tasking now)
That is just a short list of big missing features from that iPhone. That means the iPhone was going to suck and always suck because it was missing major features.
Oh and please do not come back with the standard Apple apologized answers or standard BS responses.
I am just pointing out a massive flaw in your agrument and using it on one of your favorite devices.
Also I am not saying the iPhone sucks. Tell you the truth it is more saying it is the opposite but pointing out early flaws that took apple a VERY VERY long time to fix. How is flash any different.
Why do you all bother aruging with *LTD*
He is nothing more than a troll.
EVERYBODY IS DEAD. TROLL WINS.
I need something to occupy my time with at work. If you look at most of my replies to him, I bet they come between the hours of 8 and 5 on weekdays
You have to wonder what goes through an uber-fanboys head when apple produces a product that has problems or is not as popular as expected. Apple TV is one such device that has yet been unable to live up to the hype.
Well that is easy just remember uber-Fanboys can not think for themselves they just repeat what ever their lord and savor Steve Jobs says and no amount of facts will make them changed that.
Flash SUCKS. Always has. Everyone knew it. It took Apple to cast a spotlight on it, though.
The iPhone was always great. It was far more than its individual "features." It was the first "smart-phone" done right. It was breaking completely new ground, and compared to the competition, offered a vastly superior user experience. Thank Apple for everything Google has achieved (and copied wrong) with Android.
Flash is just a really bad web video codec foisted on an OS that in 2010 is an also-ran to iOS. But since it'll live on nearly every brand of smartphone out there cum-Windows-Mobile, it'll just spread like the flotsam and jetsam it is and be consigned to the poor-man's, cobbled-together copy of a great Apple mobile OS.
^ This. I use flash both on my computer and my Skypephone with no problems. I also use HTML5 on my computer with no problems.
At least Android users have the option of seeing Flash content on websites. *sigh*
how is frash
You can't go just by that one video. Here's another video showing the GN1 running Froyo 2.2 with Flash beta 10.1 and how it afects browser speed. It is FAR from perfect but you can acualy see video, as opposed to LTD's example vid. Mid way through the vid, you will see the Nexus One alerting that the system resources are crapping out.
Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about Flash on mobile. But for all you who do, it looks like Adobe's getting there.
And proof about how little you know about flash and what it is. Flash is a lot more than just video and games and ads
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.6; en-gb; Archos5 Build/Donut) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1)
Flash works fine on my nexus for what I need it for (games on Kongregate, BBC iPlayer etc) so in those few instances its good to have.
I have it set to "on demand" loading so it acts like click2flash leaving my browsing experience fast and ad free! Win/win for me.