"Advanced" Face Recognition Replacing TouchID on Future iPhones will be a failure?

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Based on a recent post in Macrumors backed by Bloomberg, Apple is going to omit Touch ID for potentially "advanced" facial recognition. Is it just me or is this "advanced facial recognition" just a hoax?

In the past, Samsung claimed to have "Face Recognition" unlock, that could be bypassed with a laser printer-printed image of the individual's face placed in front of the camera of the phone.

I just feel what is going to happen with Apple's new iPhones is that people might not be able to put a printed picture of a face and put it in front of the phone, but someone will be smart and just 3D scan their face, and printout a picture that can be glued to the 3D printed model of that face and use it to bypass the lock.

What do you guys think? Is "advanced" facial recognition truly possible (for the upcoming iPhone)?
 
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dallas112678

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Honestly, I think 3d scanning someone's face and printing a model will be harder and more time-consuming thing simply lifting a fingerprint... That's just me of course. Not to mention, you can't exactly carry around a 3d model in a public space to unlock a phone all that inconspicuously.
 
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Honestly, I think 3d scanning someone's face and printing a model will be harder and more time-consuming thing simply lifting a fingerprint... That's just me of course. Not to mention, you can't exactly carry around a 3d model in a public space to unlock a phone all that inconspicuously.
I actually think iris scanning will be the primary, and facial recognition will be used as a secondary or some other type of security method.

Iris scanning is actually more secure than facial recognition. Fingerprints can likely be duplicated one out of 50,000 as where Iris scanning is more similar to one out of 1 million. It uses infrared and a camera to detect the Iris. Iris scanning is also expected to be 5 to 6 times more secure than a fingerprint, because it contains more unique information about you and makes it highly more accurate than fingerprint scanning
 

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Let's look at it for what it is, a consumer device. I'm not expecting it be infallible, just as Touch ID isn't.

There's about $20 worth of camera and IR sensor/receiver hardware. For example, you look at BSL4 labs where they use face recognition and iris scanning hardware that costs over $1,000. Can Apple software make up for the hardware? I don't think so, at least not yet.
 

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Based on a recent post in Macrumors backed by Bloomberg, Apple is going to omit Touch ID for potentially "advanced" facial recognition. Is it just me or is this "advanced facial recognition" just a hoax?

In the past, Samsung claimed to have "Face Recognition" unlock, that could be bypassed with a laser printer-printed image of the individual's face placed in front of the camera of the phone.

I just feel what is going to happen with Apple's new iPhones is that people might not be able to put a printed picture of a face and put it in front of the phone, but someone will be smart and just 3D scan their face, and printout a picture that can be glued to the 3D printed model of that face and use it to bypass the lock.

What do you guys think? Is "advanced" facial recognition truly possible (for the upcoming iPhone)?
I think you need to leave it up to Apple.

Producing a 3D model of the owner face would not be something that easily accomplished.

Printing an image that would fit over the 3D model would be even harder.

Impossible no but the finger print reader is not absolute fool proof either.
 

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I don't know how secure it will be. But I rather have TouchID as a backup along with the "advanced facial recognition".
 

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Based on a recent post in Macrumors backed by Bloomberg, Apple is going to omit Touch ID for potentially "advanced" facial recognition. Is it just me or is this "advanced facial recognition" just a hoax?

In the past, Samsung claimed to have "Face Recognition" unlock, that could be bypassed with a laser printer-printed image of the individual's face placed in front of the camera of the phone.

I just feel what is going to happen with Apple's new iPhones is that people might not be able to put a printed picture of a face and put it in front of the phone, but someone will be smart and just 3D scan their face, and printout a picture that can be glued to the 3D printed model of that face and use it to bypass the lock.

What do you guys think? Is "advanced" facial recognition truly possible (for the upcoming iPhone)?
For Samsung case many websites have tried using photo to bypass but was unsuccessful. I have tried it myself with a tablet showing my full face photo and it never succeeded in bypassing.

Apparently the video that showed it can be done with photos is probably a scam to get views. Here is how the scam is done.

 
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I believe it was my Note 3 that had the ability to tell if I was looking at the phone and if I was it would keep the phone from going to sleep. Also, it had face unlock as well. Did it work well? No. Did it work after the sun went down? Nope.

I'd rather just use my finger print.
 

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Considering the way order in which rumors were leaked out, and assumed this year, I would be prone to believing that there will be no touch ID this year.

Pre-rumors: "in-display touch id", "facial recognition 3D cameras"
Current rumors: "Touch ID in display" --> "Touch ID on back" --^ 'Touch ID maybe in lock button' --> "Touch ID in display" --> "No Touch ID, only facial recognition unlock"

If you look at that order, you can see where apple was going with testing and prototyping. It appears there was a major issue with the in display Touch ID, which is why heavy rumors existed for the Touch ID on the back. Design shifted back to no touch ID present, although I believe that could have been confused as analysts thinking that must mean they overcame the in-display Touch ID difficulties, however all along it could have mean that they weren't able to do it, and therefore defaulting to facial recognition would have been the fall back, with maybe Touch ID on the back being the 2nd fall back.