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Will Advertisements be static of Flash-like?

Static advertisements are one thing, but any sort of Flash-like advertisements on iPad versions of periodicals would be revolting.
 
The Discussion Shifts ...

... away from hardware stuff like whether the iPad should have a camera or a USB port, towards the real discussion of what kind of content it will deliver and what subscription rates will work.

Pulling the print media business into the 21st century is the real story of what Jobs is doing and the ability to get another industry to adjust their business model so quickly is what differentiates Apple from the other guys. I picture the executives at Dell and HP in their labs looking at their iPad lookalike prototypes and thinking "our tablet will beat the iPad because it will have a FM Radio and a Pedometer built in".
 
People, you have to understand that the on-line free content we have today is NOT going to stay free. They are all going to change to add a fee to view complete content. All you will see will be snipets unless you have an account. No one ever died from ads. The really good ads make the magazine. Look at any fashion magazine, 50% are just ads if not more. The photography is fantastic, the ads interesting and made for the audiance. I get Macworld via Zinio and I love the ads. I use the links to websites all the time.
 
similar to what pagansoul said above, have you guys heard about this?-

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/business/media/21times.html

i suspect that this will soon be the case with more and more newspapers/magazines, decreasing what content can actually be found through Google News or whatnot. As the free options evaporate, it seems that other companies might begin playing catch-up in order to get a similar set-up as this one with the WSJ. I guess time will tell though.
 
No thanks. I think I'll just sign up for the $103 per year WSJ online subscription and use my 3g service on my ipad...

That's the ticket! For me I will Just stay with the concept, " Just say No!".

If enough do that they will have no recourse but to try a different approach to peddling their goods/media. ;)
 
Print media is thinking people are going to pay for what they were getting for free. Just because it is on an iPad, doesn't mean people will pay for it.

Time, NYTimes, etc all have content online for free now.
Just by wrapping it in a "virtual magazine flip the pages in a cool way" interface, and embedding some "added content" video clips, doesn't mean people are going to pay--

They are putting all their eggs in the wrong basket.

The model that will win will be ad based. Smart ads using gps/etc targeted to the reader, embedded in the free magazine/newspaper- read on the iPad.

People WILL NOT pay for what they were getting for free.

At some point, paper editions will come to an end, and online content will no longer be free to access.

You do realize that it takes significant resources to produce world class publications don't you?

If people want sources of news and entertainment to stay is business, they'll understand having to pay a fee in order to keep those sources in business.
 
I want to be able to download full magazines. Annual subscriptions at reduced rates would be nice.

I'm tired of the normal subscription process. When you subscribe, they will forward you one or two back issues you already have, 75% of the time, you will not receive one or more issues and right after you subscribe they will start sending you letters that your subscription will be ending soon.
 
... away from hardware stuff like whether the iPad should have a camera or a USB port, towards the real discussion of what kind of content it will deliver and what subscription rates will work.

Pulling the print media business into the 21st century is the real story of what Jobs is doing and the ability to get another industry to adjust their business model so quickly is what differentiates Apple from the other guys. I picture the executives at Dell and HP in their labs looking at their iPad lookalike prototypes and thinking "our tablet will beat the iPad because it will have a FM Radio and a Pedometer built in".

Ha, so true.
 
Will it be free for paper subscribers?

If I already subscribe to the paper edition of the WSJ, will it be free on my iPad or will they screw me like AT&T is screwing me by forcing me to buy yet another 3G plan instead of letting me use the same account that my iPhone is on?
 
I'm not sure about the business model.

Shouldn't the target audience be people that subscribe to the magazine? Those customers are already getting a discount off newstand price greater than what they are willing to give to iPad customers. I pay at most 10-15 bucks per yearly subscription to magazines, why would I pay $36 a year for a digital version?

I would think the first thing to do to ensure success would be to convert these customers to iPad by offering same or less price (ultimately reduces printing cost, but keeps subscribers numbers to make advertisers happy).

2.99 an issue just isnt going to catch on outside of travellers.
 
Subscriptions... Paper or Digital

It's interesting to note the prices being charged by various companies for their digital subscriptions. What has been mentioned by various posts is the cost of the digital vs. paper subscription. While I would love to save a tree, get a smaller mailbox, and have less clutter, I would be paying MORE to accomplish all three.

Why?

Because many subscriptions can be purchased at wholesale for almost nothing. The publishers don't make money on the subscriptions, its made off of the ad revenue which is based on the number of subscriptions. So even if a publisher had to say, give a subscription away for free, that helps count towards the total monthly subscription count, which has a direct affect on the dollar amount they collect from an advertiser.

I belong to a wholesale agency for magazine subscriptions. In the past year, this is what I have paid, and you can too, for various magazine subscriptions. (Rounded to the nearest dollar)

$10 - 3 years of WIRED
$6 - 3 Yrs / Architectural Digest
$6 - 3 yrs / Western Interiors
$10 - 3 Yrs / Popular Photography
$10 - 3 Yrs / Outdoor Photography
$9 - 3 Yrs / Motor Trend
$9 - 3 Yrs / Car and Driver
$9 - 3 Yrs / Road & Track
$6 - 1 Yr / Money
$10 - 1 Yr / Business Week

So, why would I pay more for my iPad digital subscription, when for (almost) one month's fee I can get one year or more in print?

The next question is, would you?
 
At some point, paper editions will come to an end, and online content will no longer be free to access.

You do realize that it takes significant resources to produce world class publications don't you?

If people want sources of news and entertainment to stay is business, they'll understand having to pay a fee in order to keep those sources in business.


It also takes a significant amount of resources to perpetually put on quality first run television shows. Yet CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, etc manage to do it for FREE for 50+ years. It's called ADVERTISING!

Tony
 
I'm looking forward to this

Magazines are one of the things that my wife and I are really looking forward to. I get about a 1/2 dozen magazines and travel quite a bit. I actually like the ads in most of my magazines and frequently go look the products up online. It would be great to just click a link in the ad, be dumped into Safari and then add it to my Amazon Wish List. It will also be nice to only carry one device on the flight instead of a 1/2 dozen magazines (which can get heavy).

As an aside, I see the potential for a lot of value added capabilities for magazines. My wife saves recipes from cooking magazines. Having a magazine that could save off the recipes across all of the issues you have purchased into another app (not sure how it would work, but you probably get the idea) would be a big plus.

That Maxim idea is good, too. :D
 
[JGowan's 2¢]

I just can't see people paying between 18 and 30 dollars a month for newspaper subscriptions on the ipad. Given the fact you can get all the news you want for free through safari on the ipad, I don't think the content in either the Wall Street Journal or New York Times is that much superior to warrant charging that much for it.
This isn't MAD MAGAZINE trying to get $18-30 a month, it's the NYT and WSJ.

Let's take the New York Times...

Right now you get 12 weeks of service for Daily Service (including Sunday) of actual paper for $7.40 a week if you pay by credit card. That's 50% off for the first 3 months... then it jumps to $15 a week (or $60 monthly) -- that's real trees, real ink, delivery drivers galore and finally someone to deliever it to you. So basically, if NYT wanted to charge $30 monthly, they'd be letting you have the introductory price for now on. Sounds fair. I think $10 would be fairer and here's why...

Right now, Ads in the paper --> are they even looked at? They're glanced at and if it's something you're not not interested in, you turn the page. The iPad is a new breed of Advertising because of the possibility of the page "coming alive" and all of the social networking aspects. Most people are going to pay a lot more attention to them, I believe. I certainly will. But the advertisers will have to get clever quickly. Also, if the product is able to be bought on the internet, they could link to the product with a discount for buying from the ad itself. This could really be a boon for retail.

So $10 is a better price mainly because the ads have a better chance of being seen. There's no physical costs. Also, chances are, at least initially I believe, you're not going to have a many people canceling their home service to get the digital version. Some yes. I think what this will do, if it's priced right is get subscribers by the thousands and eventually the hundreds of thousands who normally would never subscribe to the paper. Ever. I would imagine that the average subscriber and reader of the Times is 55 at least and probably 60 and over. They consume the news differently and always have. That's why the newspaper is dying. Not because people are getting all their news from TV or the internet. Mostly yes, but... it's because it's more convenient. People are willing to pay more for what they want if it takes the hassle out of the situation. Convenience Stores on the corner are a perfect example.

Enter the iPad --> people will pay for content. People want to be informed. Most do anyway. I want to be able to simply never have to throw away my magazines ever again, but look forward to the day when, with Spotlight, I can search my Magazines for a certain subject and up pop all of the entries from past issues. Oh -- this just occurred to me. What if a month after you saw an ad on your iPad in one of several magazines that you subscribed, you suddenly needed a certain product. Few people would hunt through real issues, but if you could Spotlight the product and it would instantly deliver that ad complete with link to a discounted product -- wow. Suddenly your advertising is worth so much more.

[/JGowan's 2¢]
 
Give two pricing options

There is no denial that advertising substantially impacts the user's experience. Just imagine having to listen to a 30 second add that was imbedded before each iTunes song you purchased. Each add would disrupt your experience since you could never escape into the content like you could in a good book or music album.

The logical option is for each content provider to offer two options for content. One option would be free (or almost fee), but contain adds. The other option would be more expensive but would contain no adds. Allow each consumer to decide in an open marketplace.

I for one do not subscribe to cable TV since I find it unacceptable to pay $100/month for the privilege of watching commercials! Similarly, I absolutely refuse to pay for the privilege of watching adds on the iPad!
 
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All seems a bit greedy in my opinion......have cake and eat it too.

Assuming you think greed is a bad thing due to your tone, do you really think they are being "greedy." I'm guessing that they are just hoping that this will save them and not put them out of business. They know that print media is on it's way out. They know they can't survive on website ads. So this is a pretty big decision for print media. Kind of a crossroads. Charge too little and find out you can't keep the business afloat and you're firing staff right and left. People aren't happy when you increase costs. So you try to estimate and do research to find the most you can charge, and leave room to come down on price if you don't get enough subscribers or have too much competition.

The more they charge for subscriptions, the more they can charge for ads, because the viewers are more serious viewers. You've got to believe they're for real if they're paying for a subscription. Somewhere in there is a price point and they'll find it.

A newspaper guy once told me they charge the (at the time) 25 cents for the paper just so that people take it seriously and don't just grab a bunch of free ones to pack boxes or wrap fish in. Same concept applies here with subscriptions.
 
As someone who makes his living writing in newspapers and magazines, I believe wholeheartedly in the pay wall model and will happily be buying subscriptions to the publications I want to read. By getting rid of the cost of print distribution, though, I'd like to see pricing be reasonable, though, to be sure, there are many costs in producing and distributing a digital edition, as well.
 
Having a magazine that could save off the recipes across all of the issues you have purchased into another app (not sure how it would work, but you probably get the idea) would be a big plus.

that would be nice indeed, however, probably just tag a part of the article and it pops up in a separate category
 
Static advertisements are one thing, but any sort of Flash-like advertisements on iPad versions of periodicals would be revolting.

Especially heinous would be those ads with animations outside the ad frame. I absolutely detest those Flash ads with objects running all over the screen and/or covering the very part of the page I'm trying to read.
 
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Yes charge the same and don't pay for printing and distribution/shipping.
 
It also takes a significant amount of resources to perpetually put on quality first run television shows. Yet CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, etc manage to do it for FREE for 50+ years. It's called ADVERTISING!

Tony

Apple and Oranges. Advertising revenue for television shows has been falling because people are now able to edit out the advertisements with devices like Tivo, which means that there is now more in show advertising. There's also all of those annoying pop ups during the show.

Given the lack of specifics about how the content is going to be provided, it's pointless to speculate about exactly what kind of advertising people would accept.

I would rather pay a small yearly fee to avoid in content advertising all together.

Also, one more thing. What happens to the advertising revenue when someone develops an ad blocker for the iPad?

By all reasonable indications, a lot more thought has been put into this development. A lot more thought than you've displayed so far.
 
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