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From the article:
quote: ...the ads would be delivered on content whose price has "been artificially depressed to reflect such revenue." (ie. discounted)

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Yeah, I get it....I get it. So lets say that before this advertising happens, all the songs on iTMS go up to $1.19 due to demands by the record labels. Apple does us a "favor" and introduces banner advertising into iTMS and shaves the price back down to .99. Lets say two years pass and the record labels demand more money. So the price goes back to $1.19. Two more years, and more demands. The price is now $1.39. At this point, Apple decides to add advertisements INTO the actual media to do us another favor and get the prices back down to $1.19.

After these hypothetical four or five years are over, we're overrun with advertisements AND paying more for our product. Mark my words, this is the way it will play out. There is no way to guarantee that the subsidy is preserved. And the subsidy creates artificially low prices which the record labels will want no part of. Much like Apple didn't want AT&T subsidizing the iPhone. It erodes the perception of value in the product being sold.
 
You all need to get some perspective here. Apple will almost certainly not replace a successful business model with an entirely ad supported model. But I think you fail to realize the flexibility of this.

Are you saying you would pay $9.99 for a movie instead of

$6.99 for a movie with ads?
$3.99 for a movie with ads?
$0.00 for a movie with ads?

Would you pay $1.99 for a TV show instead of

$.99 for a TV show with ads?
$.49 for a TV show with ads?
$.00 for a TV show with ads?

Regardless, I'm sure Apple will let you buy the full price ad-less versions still.

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I hope you're right - it's a lot more exciting if you are!
If Apple can deliver content for free or almost free (by inserting ads) they could become quite a media force.

If everyone with iTunes on their PC, an iPhone or (someday) a wifi iPod can download content for free (or almost free) with ads, then Apple could become the ABC / BBC / etc. of the wireless internet age.

Apple doesn't make a lot of money on iTunes purchases. But Television networks make a WHOLE lotta money by purchasing content, then adding adverts, and reselling it (often for free) over the airwaves.
 
You all need to get some perspective here. Apple will almost certainly not replace a successful business model with an entirely ad supported model. But I think you fail to realize the flexibility of this.
I think you're fighting an uphill battle here. Getting people to read even a short summary appears impossible based on these few pages.

Yeah, I get it....I get it. So lets say that before this advertising happens, all the songs on iTMS go up to $1.19 due to demands by the record labels. Apple does us a "favor" and introduces banner advertising into iTMS and shaves the price back down to .99.
Yeah, okay. The alternative is that you pay $1.19 because the prices go up anyway. What is the problem with offering the option for a discounted price in exchange for an advertiser picking up the difference?

After these hypothetical four or five years are over, we're overrun with advertisements AND paying more for our product. Mark my words, this is the way it will play out.
It's the way it will happen either way. Prices WILL go up over the long term, like everything else ever sold. Do you know that normalized for inflation, an iTunes song "should" be $1.14? Prices are already artificially low, thanks to inflation. Anything Apple does to keep that true for those who care about it (including ads) is a Good Thing.

You're only "overrun" with advertisements if you choose them under this model. You're more than welcome to pay the actual price and skip the ads. I know I'll continue to, but I can't justify telling everyone else they can't get a discount if they're willing to watch a short ad.
 
I think you're fighting an uphill battle here. Getting people to read even a short summary appears impossible based on these few pages.


Yeah, okay. The alternative is that you pay $1.19 because the prices go up anyway. What is the problem with offering the option for a discounted price in exchange for an advertiser picking up the difference?


It's the way it will happen either way. Prices WILL go up over the long term, like everything else ever sold. Do you know that normalized for inflation, an iTunes song "should" be $1.14? Prices are already artificially low, thanks to inflation. Anything Apple does to keep that true for those who care about it (including ads) is a Good Thing.

You're only "overrun" with advertisements if you choose them under this model. You're more than welcome to pay the actual price and skip the ads. I know I'll continue to, but I can't justify telling everyone else they can't get a discount if they're willing to watch a short ad.
No, I read the summary just fine. I'm tired of ads infiltrating every last area of my life. Just like I tire of walking down the street and being asked for "any part of $1.35", I tire of people hawking their wares everywhere I go and I tire of the ads getting increasingly intrusive because I've learned to ignore them.

This site is free in large part due to advertisements. I'm happy for that. Apple's business model isn't as an advertising channel though. They're a product company. Sure, I might be able to continue paying more to not have my download packaged with ads but that doesn't change the fact that their business model will have fundamentally changed. When Apple is facing a weak quarter, someone is going to suggest they might get more "click through" and meet their revenue targets if they make the ads bounce.

The iTunes music store has people flocking to it now, and I see no reason to change anything. If Universal wants to charge 5 bucks for a download, don't change the nature of the iTunes store to accommodate them-- let them rot while they wonder if the goose meat is better than the golden eggs.
 
I don't get why people are so against advertisement. If some company wants to pay for me to watch a video I'm all for that.

Pay you? Uh-hum, I believe you actually pay 1-5% (or more) ad-charge on most advertised products. Ads are not free, people. You pay for them.
 
No, I read the summary just fine. I'm tired of ads infiltrating every last area of my life.
So buy the version without the ads. Where is the issue? Advertising is pervasive and ubiquitous and this change doesn't affect your user experience one iota. If you don't buy the content, you won't be exposed to the ads. It's that simple.

Advertising is only valuable to a certain extent, and it is therefore largely self-correcting. If the ad space exceeds the number of advertisers, it becomes devalued and diminishes. Companies seeking to advertise are going to present their ads to you somehow. Wouldn't you rather have a choice?
This site is free in large part due to advertisements. I'm happy for that. Apple's business model isn't as an advertising channel though. They're a product company.
You're not buying Apple products, though, and the iTunes business model is nothing BUT a glorified advertising channel. They run it to sell iPods and to make money by being a dominant market force. iTunes content isn't Apple's, and respective owners could easily choose to inject ads into the files themselves. Providing a mechanism where the ads aren't mid-stream commercials gives the user the choice of paying or sitting through an ad, instead of making that determination for everyone.
 
Typo in headline

Am I the first to notice that the word "advertisements" is misspelled as "advertisments" in the headline?

Do I get a gold star? :D
 
It's true that ads are very annoying because it's about random stuff you don't need, don't want, or already have. I actually like the kind of ads that show me a great deal for something I actually want so I don't have to look for it. In a few decades, that should work.

But I'm totally against ads in iTunes. It's already expensive as it is, quality is usually average to bad. $0.99 for a 320 kbps AAC file would be acceptable, since that's better than CD quality (provided the studio compressed the 96 kHz 24 bit master to AAC with a quality compressor).

As for TV shows, I wouldn't mind 60 seconds of advertising in a 20 minute show like scrubs if the download was free. Those series are made for TV broadcasting anyway and sometimes you miss the hard cut in the plot when there's no commercials. Right now, I record everything on my Mac (eyeTV) and skip the commercials. Takes 5 seconds if you keep the apple remote close to you.

I recently watched the Simpsons Movie in the theatre in Germany. Haven't been in theaters in years because I don't like talking crowds and it's too much to pay for watching a movie once. But in the middle of the movie there was a pop up ad, IN THE MOVIE, of a popular TV station, it even said "yes, we take all the adspace we can". I shouted "boo", left the theatre and downloaded the movie at home.

Either you get stuff for free with loads of advertising, or you pay to get it without ads. That's how it should be and you should have a choice.
 
NO ADVERTISING ON iTUNES, IT's hard enough to escape commerce as it is, TV is spoiled due to it, when was the last time we watched a complete program from start to finish without a stupid commercial break????
I HATE them, and DO NOT SPOIL iTunes. It's fine as it is.

There..... that feels better...... :apple:
 
Ow by the way, to all screaming NO that you don't want to have the choice:
when did you give MacRumors your $50 (figure of speech) to cancel your ads?... because if you hate commercials you would pay that too right? :)

The world runs on commercials, so let apple start with iAdunes :p (as long as the old model stays in place of course).
 
I sure hope that they change their mind. I do not mind the .99 and 1.29 per tune, if they want to advert then I want it DRM free and at a cost of $0.0 per tune, not discounted.

and no FRICKING PopUps
 
No, no and NO! If iTunes where to start introducing any ads when at all, I will stop using iTunes and download my music from P2P don't we already get bombarded by ads enough, either from internet, email and TV?
 
im on the fence on this issue.

choice is good. if you're willing to pay to not see the ads, great. if you want cheaper/free media, you'll have to watch the ads. i get that. and i see that as good.

but, at the same time, i cringe at the thought of more space for drug companies to convince me that i've got the latest problem that their drug can fix. (this is just one example but one that, to me, has become overly tiresome)

so, im still on the fence. but i would like to think that any ads in any itunes media would have to meet some sort of aesthetic criteria. perhaps that's asking too much.

fence sitting,
-kyle
 
I read this as potentially already happening with the free Singles of the Week.

They are advertised on the front page by the record company who presumably pay Apple for the privilege of getting their record in front of millions of users at a very 'depressed' price. The royalties that go to the artist are presumably paid out of that advertising revenue...
 
As in the post, the only reasonable application of this is in podcasts; the entire store is an advertisement in and of itself, so it wouldn't make sense to put advertising on the pages of the store.
-Chasen

I totally agree that the store itself is an advertisement (helloooo, the whole world is buying songs and movies and TV shows that are advertised constantly every day via countless other mediums, that's a no-brainer if you ask me). Podcasts I'm not so sure; think of all the independents who create podcasts. I sure wouldn't want a commercial for Meow Mix stuck somewhere within my podcast.

I highly doubt having advertisers to "cover the costs" will make songs and movies free. There's no possible way; that'd be business suicide on the part of the advertisers. Think of the amount of money they'd have to deliver in massive dump trucks to cover the costs of the countless media files purchased every day. If anything, I see the price of media on the iTunes store going up instead of down. Just a hunch.

DON'T DO IT, APPLE!!!
 
Anything that leads to lower prices! If I could pay $0.69 rather than $0.99 on the condition of viewing an ad while it downloads, I'm okay with that. I think of it like this....$0.69: regular, 128K DRM AAC with an ad while downloading; $0.99: regular, 128K DRM AAC with no ads; $1.29: 256K AAC, DRM free, no ads.
 
True Dat. Apple would never eff up the end user experience like this. I can see them perhaps selling some ad "space" on iTunes main pages - but if Apple did this I would imagine that the advertisers would need to adhere to a very strict set of guidelines

I could see Apple partnering with TV shows that already rely on sponsorship to create some cheaper (or free) downloads. FX shows like "Nip Tuck," "Rescue Me" and "Damages" often start their seasons with uninterrupted episodes that are sponsored by a single, major advertiser. Extend it to iTunes, give the advertiser some play on the TV shows's iTunes page, and offer the show for free.

I wouldn't mind downloading an entire season of "Damages" with a brand-laced iTunes page and 15-second ad at the beginning if the whole season was free. Shows are already subsidized by heavy product placement, and this is just an extension of that.

Don't get me wrong -- I don't want to PAY for a show and have to endure ads. (That really urks me at movie theaters.) I'm just saying I wouldn't mind a brand sponsorship very much if the show is free. The "Best Week Ever" daily podcast is a perfect example.
 
So buy the version without the ads. Where is the issue? Advertising is pervasive and ubiquitous and this change doesn't affect your user experience one iota. If you don't buy the content, you won't be exposed to the ads. It's that simple.
I think you're missing the point here-- Apple will have changed their business model to where they are looking at ads as a revenue source. Someone at Apple will be responsible for maximizing this revenue. Of course they will enter the business gingerly, but it will inevitably grow because a business, by nature, tries to grow all profit channels.
Advertising is only valuable to a certain extent, and it is therefore largely self-correcting. If the ad space exceeds the number of advertisers, it becomes devalued and diminishes. Companies seeking to advertise are going to present their ads to you somehow. Wouldn't you rather have a choice?
Advertising has not been self correcting in my experience-- in general once the first ad appears it's merely a harbinger for more. It's a runaway train. If you think one of the hottest properties on the web is going to want for advertisers, you don't understand how this works. Right now Apple is in control of the user experience and their motivations are to make it as pleasant as possible for me so they sell more music/video because that's their only revenue source. Once they start in with advertising their motivations change and subsequently my user experience is destined to change.

And companies are notorious for not facing reality on stuff like this... iTMS sales drop? It's almost certainly not going to be seen as the advertising that's doing it, it will probably be blamed on P2Ps or some such. Why? Because the guy who's job depends on maximizing ad revenue will present all kinds of statistics in the meeting making that point.

Of course advertisers are going to look for a way to get in my face, but Apple is currently a check on that. The network ads at the beginning and end of the Daily Show disappeared not long after they started and I'm that was Apple's doing-- Apple didn't see any money from the ads and they were affecting their customers experience. Their customers were under the impression they were paying for the show to get it ad free and Apple enforced that.
You're not buying Apple products, though, and the iTunes business model is nothing BUT a glorified advertising channel. They run it to sell iPods and to make money by being a dominant market force. iTunes content isn't Apple's, and respective owners could easily choose to inject ads into the files themselves. Providing a mechanism where the ads aren't mid-stream commercials gives the user the choice of paying or sitting through an ad, instead of making that determination for everyone.
iTMS is a glorified retail channel. That's very different. And, as you point out, it's meant to sell more of Apple's products. When the market saturates with iPods, I expect that to change and iTMS will become a profit center of its own.

As an example of the difference, look at Shell. They sell gasoline. Now some of their stations are also selling time on big flat panel displays above the pumps to harass me while I'm stuck waiting to fill up. I don't use those stations... In some cases those stations used to offer me a better experience because of location, cleanliness, and what-not. Now I've lost that.

Content providers can't do whatever they want with their files. Apple controls the channel. Apple sees no revenue from the ads so they have no motivation to allow them-- especially if it's hurting their primary goal of selling iPods. Regardless, the fact that the content isn't theirs just compounds the problem-- we'll have to deal with ads from the content provider and Apple.

I know "user choice" is supposed to be what drives the industry, but one of the things that's made Apple successful is making the right decisions about where to limit user choice. Maybe adding the option for ad supported content will make more people happy-- I'm just expressing my opinion that I won't be one of those people.
 
We can prevent this from ever hapening

We can prevent this from ever hapening. I use a web proxy based filter that has a long list of URLs and domain names asociated with on-line ads. My web browser uses this proxy and 99% of all ads are blocked. No only am I not bothered by the ad but many times when you _think_ a site is slow what is really slow is the server severing up the ads. With a proxy the ads are not just "blocked" the request for the ads is simply never send. Because it is not send I don't have to wait for it and the site is faster.

What we a uses need to do is promote this kind of technology and keep lists of companies to have ads on iTunes. When companies know that placing an ad on iTunes gets them added to a commonly used "black list" they may decide not to place the ads. The key is "commonly used". Right now these kinds of filters are to hard for most users to setup and keep updated

There are several of these proxy based filters I used and liked "bannerfilter" and now I'm running "squidgaurd".
 
So would the ad-supported media become iTunes minus ?

They probably have enormous traffic routed through the store, and free television with an ad sounds like a good deal to me. I just don't want it interrupting my music or movie (with the exception of the Simpsons movie, that was hilarious).
 
My opinion is going to depend on what they actually mean by advertising.

If they want to slip banner ads into the iTunes Store interface, fine. That's just a web page. They can do what they want.

If they change the iTunes application to display ads when I play my music (most of which comes from my ripped CDs), I'll get very upset. I might even stop using iTunes altogether and start looking for another way to manage the music on my iPod.

If they start inserting ads into purchased content, I'll stop purchasing anything. Even if it's free, I refuse to listen to an ad before every song my iPod plays. If I want that, I can listen to the radio.

The article implies inserting ads into downloaded content, but it also says that this is all just brainstorming, and we have no clue what, if any form this advertising will actually take.
As in the post, the only reasonable application of this is in podcasts...
Podcasts are the least likely to change. Apple doesn't serve any podcast content. Although the iTunes application performs the download, the file comes straight from the original source's server, not from Apple.
Meaning Jobs gave in to the big 3 on a price increase per song and a bigger slice of the pie for the recording industry.
We know he did that. The article about Eminem's most recent lawsuit says that Apple is paying Universal $0.70 per download. It was $0.65 when the iTunes Store got started.
Don't like it. iTunes' pricing is simple, you know that you'll get an album for $9.99.
No you don't. Album pricing is quite variable. The per-song pricing, for tracks purchased individually, is fixed. The price for albums varies quite a bit.
It's the way it will happen either way. Prices WILL go up over the long term, like everything else ever sold.
Not everything. In the technology sector, prices generally go down over time.

But inflation doesn't matter. iTunes purchases are already overpriced - the per-song price is higher than the price for buying tracks on CD (unless you're dumb enough to pay MSRP for your CDs.) Because of this, I only buy from iTunes when I only want one song and I don't expect to like anything else by that artist. If they raise the price (or insert ads for the same price), then I'll buy even less than I do now.

And I can assure you that I'm not the only one who will do this.
 
I think some podcasters would disagree with you on that. :)

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It really depends if Apple would share the profit with the podcasters or not. If they share it it would be really really great. If they don't - well they would definitely loose my podcast in their directory.
 
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