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MP 7,1 Advice for a video editor

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Hi,

i’m a video editor, looking for a little advice before I order. I mostly use premier with a little davinci and aftereffects.

Thinking of a 12 core, a single radeon core vega II, and 192gb of ram from Mr Memory (I’m Uk based- are they the best supplier?).

As far as I can tell the afterburner isn’t going to be useful for me right now.

The other thing I want to do is add another 2 internal SSD drives - what’s the best way to do that?

I would appreciate any help- thanks!
 
It sounds legit, I’m pretty much in the same job position and chose the 16core, Vega II, 192gb and 1TB.

I chose the 16 core only for future proofing, faster transcoding speeds and because I wanted a more serious upgrade over my 8core.
Not sure if you’ll need 192 gb for 12 cores tbh. Maybe 96 is gonna be enough.

Afterburner I would also wait for reviews. No difference in purchasing price. And a second Vega II we can also always add later.

About adding SSD capacity someone else should chime in, since I had a trashcan for 6 years I’m out of the PCI card business... it would seem the best way would be to buy a cheap NVMe card and slap two SSDs on it.. but yea I’d also appreciate some actual buying advice
 
Video editor here as well, working in Premiere. I'm considering 16-core, 1TB SSD, will add 3rd party RAM (128GB) and am really on the fence in terms of video cards. May get the single Vega II or wait to see what other options become available.

One option for an internal SSD is something like this: https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-black-sn750-nvme-2tb/p/N82E16820250111

Or there is the Pegasus https://www.apple.com/shop/product/...2i-8tb-internal-storage-enclosure-for-mac-pro
Unfortunately, you can't just buy it as an enclosure. It comes with a 8TB spinny drive, which I doubt is great quality.

I'm curious as to what the difference is speed would be between these 2 options., but I am not quite nerdy enough to guess.
 
aliengirl said:
Video editor here as well, working in Premiere. I'm considering 16-core, 1TB SSD, will add 3rd party RAM (128GB) and am really on the fence in terms of video cards. May get the single Vega II or wait to see what other options become available.

One option for an internal SSD is something like this: https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-black-sn750-nvme-2tb/p/N82E16820250111

Or there is the Pegasus https://www.apple.com/shop/product/...2i-8tb-internal-storage-enclosure-for-mac-pro
Unfortunately, you can't just buy it as an enclosure. It comes with a 8TB spinny drive, which I doubt is great quality.

I'm curious as to what the difference is speed would be between these 2 options., but I am not quite nerdy enough to guess.
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so far promise always had quality drives in their enclosures. I have had really great experience with them.

as for that nvme, even though I was following that bootable nvme Thread, I’m still unclear what’s the easiest and best solution to hook up a simple, single card like the one you suggested. Do you have a recommendation?
 
the ssd7101 holds 4 (four) M.2 NVMe moduls and can used as single, or duo or quad raid

this is the best option for PCIe drivedevices

on a cMP it will near 6000MB/s as raid - in a 7.1 it should 10.000 - 12000 MB/s
 
There is absolutely no reason to suspect HighPoint will not work with MP7,1 but please remember it has NOT YET been tested and verified by users. If you're going out and purchasing, be aware of that.

The Sonnet M.2 4x4 is advertising confirmed MP7,1 support however there are blade restrictions:
https://www.sonnettech.com/product/m2-4x4-pcie-card.html
https://sonnettech.com/support/downloads/manuals/M2_compatibility.pdf
https://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/manuals/sonnet_m2_4x4_pcie_qsg.pdf
 
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Ok amazing. Thank you. I guess by the time the machine arrives there will be some more clarity on what works.
 
bsbeamer said:
There is absolutely no reason to suspect HighPoint will not work with MP7,1 but please remember it has NOT YET been tested and verified by users. If you're going out and purchasing, be aware of that.

The Sonnet M.2 4x4 is advertising confirmed MP7,1 support however there are blade restrictions:
https://www.sonnettech.com/product/m2-4x4-pcie-card.html
https://sonnettech.com/support/downloads/manuals/M2_compatibility.pdf
https://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/manuals/sonnet_m2_4x4_pcie_qsg.pdf
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i think all cards with a PCIe switch will work
 
IndioX said:
i think all cards with a PCIe switch will work
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Again, no reason to suspect it will not work. Just has NOT YET been tested. Return policies on $400 PCIe cards vary, some with 20% restocking. If you don't already own, something to be aware of before purchasing.
 
bsbeamer said:
There is absolutely no reason to suspect HighPoint will not work with MP7,1 but please remember it has NOT YET been tested and verified by users. If you're going out and purchasing, be aware of that.

The Sonnet M.2 4x4 is advertising confirmed MP7,1 support however there are blade restrictions:
https://www.sonnettech.com/product/m2-4x4-pcie-card.html
https://sonnettech.com/support/downloads/manuals/M2_compatibility.pdf
https://www.sonnettech.com/support/downloads/manuals/sonnet_m2_4x4_pcie_qsg.pdf
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if getting the Highpoint in a u.2 version- where do the ssds go? How are they connected to that card? I see people here chatting about this magical 15TB SSD drive but it’s u.2 and I didn’t quite understand how these work as I’ve never seen one in person...
 
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Thank you for the advice! Just purchased, and once its here i’ll get a sonnet m2 4x4 card for the extra ssds.
 
Hey guys ...

I have both a MP 7,1 ( 8 Cores @ 3.5 GHz W-3223 , 580 X 8GB Graphics , 32 GB memory , macOS Catalina )

and a whitebox PC ( 24 Cores @ 2.4 GHz Gold 6212U , 96 GB memory , 2 x AMD Vega Frontier Edition , Windows Pro 64 bit Workstation) .

Both are Intel Cascade Lake Xeon based workstations . Both Systems perform CPU rendering very respectfully .

On the Mac side , I ran Mike Pan's BMW Blender benchmark . Here are the results :

CPU = 3:09 . ( 3.5 GHz 8 Core W-3223 ) .
GPU = 5:42 . ( 1 x AMD 580 X 8GB ) .

On the whitebox PC side , I also ran Mike Pan's BMW Blender benchmark . Here are the results :

CPU = 1:42 . ( 2.4 GHz 24 Core Gold 6212U ) .
GPU = 1:36 . ( 2 x AMD Vega Frontier Edition 16 GB HBM ) .

Lower result is better , as it is elapsed time until render completed ( min : sec ) .

With the "base configuration" of the MP 7,1 , CPU trounces GPU .

I imagine with the 24 or 28 Core CPU option , the MP 7,1 will perform as nicely as my PC .

I think we're gonna like CPU based rendering with Macs again .

bmw-cycles.jpg
 
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Snow Tiger said:
Hey guys ...

I have both a MP 7,1 ( 8 Cores @ 3.5 GHz W-3223 , 580 X 8GB Graphics , 32 GB memory , macOS Catalina )

and a whitebox PC ( 24 Cores @ 2.4 GHz Gold 6212U , 96 GB memory , 2 x AMD Vega Frontier Edition , Windows Pro 64 bit Workstation) .

Both are Intel Cascade Lake Xeon based workstations . Both Systems perform CPU rendering very respectfully .

On the Mac side , I ran Mike Pan's BMW Blender benchmark . Here are the results :

CPU = 3:09 . ( 3.5 GHz 8 Core W-3223 ) .
GPU = 5:42 . ( 1 x AMD 580 X 8GB ) .

On the whitebox PC side , I also ran Mike Pan's BMW Blender benchmark . Here are the results :

CPU = 1:42 . ( 2.4 GHz 24 Core Gold 6212U ) .
GPU = 1:36 . ( 2 x AMD Vega Frontier Edition 16 GB HBM ) .

Lower result is better , as it is elapsed time until render completed ( min : sec ) .

With the "base configuration" of the MP 7,1 , CPU trounces GPU .

I imagine with the 24 or 28 Core CPU option , the MP 7,1 will perform as nicely as my PC .

I think we're gonna like CPU based rendering with Macs again .
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The question is whether CPU rendering is a good idea at all at this point in time. With this scene, my 11 year old i7 920 with a $CAN 600 GTX 1080 renders Mike Pan's scene at 1M:30Sec. Faster than your Gold 6212U Xeon CPU.

I know, I know, apples and oranges and tomatoes, but still: my ancient 11 year old machine running a previous gen GPU worth nickles beats your expensive $2000 Xeon CPU.

A RTX 2070 at $800 renders this scene in ~32 seconds in the latest Blender version with Optix enabled. For the price of less than one 6212U CPU this scene could be rendered in ~15 seconds. Use e-Cycles, and shave off 8 seconds more off that render time (e-Cycles only work with CUDA, no Mac option).

For most 3D rendering jobs CPU rendering is just not an attractive proposition anymore. And even then AMD's Threadripper 3970X shreds the vastly more expensive new MP 28 core CPU option to ribbons (around 11000 versus ~17500 points in Cinebench).

I don't know. I see no point in getting a new Mac Pro (or any expensive Xeon machine) for CPU-based 3d rendering. The horrendously poor cost/CPU performance ratio just can't be rationalized away that easily.
 
Perhaps the more salient issue is how committed Apple is to optimizing Metal as a complete ecosystem. Based on recent history, I doubt many of the major program vendors in the space would commit serious coding resources without incentives from Apple.
Running FCP/Logic/etc like butter at 4K/8K resolutions has some real world value.
That said, if your workstation chugs running industry standard programs, that's a problem.
Until Metal can rival CUDA (I know I'm generalizing) Macs may not get the most optimized software/hardware efficiency they could...
 
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