Advice needed after Genius Bar visit

[scaredpoet]

Apple's advice, frankly, is idiotic.

Yeah, okay, the manufacturer of the device is providing "idiotic" advice on how the use the device they made. Seems legit.

It's impossible to not use 100% of your battery life in one month.

Nothing is impossible. Difficult, maybe. But the advice clearly translates to something very simple: just the the phone and don't worry so much about it.

OP: Keeping the phone on the charger 24/7 for weeks on end, or constantly keeping the battery dead and without a charge so the phone can't even power up, are both extremes that aren't good for the battery, so those are to be avoided if possible. Other than that, you're fine. And sometimes, phone batteries die after 14 months. These things happen.

 

[Bacong]

Yeah, okay, the manufacturer of the device is providing "idiotic" advice on how the use the device they made. Seems legit.




Nothing is impossible. Difficult, maybe. But the advice clearly translates to something very simple: just the the phone and don't worry so much about it.

Keeping the phone on the charger 24/7 for weeks on end, or constantly keeping the battery dead and without a charge so the phone can't even power up, are both extremes that aren't good for the battery, so those are to be avoided if possible. Other than that, you're fine.

It is impossible, since the iPhone 5s/c is rated for 250 hours standby. Meaning, 10 days and 10 hours. If you think it's possible to triple that, fine, but you're splitting hairs. Sure, nothing is impossible, so I'll meet you on the moon tomorrow, buddy.

The advice doesn't translate to anything. It's boilerplate. Yes, use the phone, don't worry about the battery. I agree. But when it's basically telling you to do something that would require incredible feats to not achieve, it's idiotic.

 

[saberahul]

It depends on your usage really. I have every single iPhone from the 4 till the 5 and have charged them every single night (sometimes 2-3 times a day as I am on the phone a lot). Till date, I have never had an issue with battery. If I have good service and don't talk much on a day, I usually end up with 20% by night time (from 10AM or so). Point: it's possible you got a bad one or just abuse it a lot more than I do but IMO these calibration methods and "don't charge it every night" are a lot of crap.

 

[scaredpoet]

It is impossible, since the iPhone 5s/c is rated for 250 hours standby. Meaning, 10 days and 10 hours.

All of which goes out the window if a person leaves their iPhone, iPad or laptop constantly plugged in. And yes, there are people who do that. That is who Apple is speaking to here. They shouldn't do it, but if they must, then they should make a conscious effort at least once a month to unplug the device and let the battery do its thing for a little while.

If you think it's possible to triple that, fine, but you're splitting hairs.

The only person splitting hairs here, is the person who's taking issue with Apple saying you should be doing something that most (but not all) people are already doing. Do you get this upset when doctors give "idiotic" advice by telling people they should be drinking water, or breathing air? You know, since it's "impossible" for people to not do these things...

Sure, nothing is impossible, so I'll meet you on the moon tomorrow, buddy.

I don't have the resources or desire to go to the moon, so it's improbable that I'll actually meet you there.

 

[Bacong]

yeah but think about it. people leave their laptops plugged in all the time. But their iPhones? okay, but that makes no sense. I doubt there's many people doing that.

 

[scaredpoet]

yeah but think about it. people leave their laptops plugged in all the time. But their iPhones? okay, but that makes no sense. I doubt there's many people doing that.

There's a couple hundred million iOS devices in use right now. "Not many" can still mean hundreds of thousands, and if they're complaining about why their battery suddenly doesn't work on that blue moon when they decided to take the phone off the charger, that page tells them why.

"Not many" people don't know that coffee is hot, but all it took was one for McDonalds to have to print warnings on their cups about it.

 

[Bacong]

There's a couple hundred million iOS devices in use right now. "Not many" can still mean hundreds of thousands, and if they're complaining about why their battery suddenly doesn't work on that blue moon when they decided to take the phone off the charger, that page tells them why.

"Not many" people don't know that coffee is hot, but all it took was one for McDonalds to have to print warnings on their cups about it.

What you're positing is ridiculous. It's just a catchall. It has no specific bearing on iPhone. Apple does not manufacture the batteries used in their mobile devices. I simply cannot imagine there's a group of people large enough to fill a room that NEVER take their iPhones off the charger for more than a few minutes per day. If you take your phone off the charger and use it till it hits 90%, recharge it to 100%, and do that for 10 days in a row, that's a charge cycle. That's a ridiculously low amount of usage. Most people who have iPhones have jobs, responsibilities, families, etc, and they don't sit in the corner of a dark room playing flappy bird with the phone plugged in.

You're just speculating that a group like this exists. That's fine, the internet is great for speculation, but when you're extrapolating that (ridiculous) speculation as the reason why Apple's barely relevant battery advice is worded as it is, I think that's ridiculous. I've already mapped out several highly unrealistic scenarios that still result in a charge cycle being completed.

 

[scaredpoet]

I simply cannot imagine there's a group of people large enough to fill a room that NEVER take their iPhones off the charger for more than a few minutes per day.

*shrug* Not everyone uses their phone like you do. It's unfortunate that simply because you don't have a use-case similar to that, you have to assume that 1. It doesn't happen, and 2. Apple's literature on battery care is false.

Anyway, good luck using your phone.

 

[Bacong]

*shrug* Not everyone uses their phone like you do. It's unfortunate that simply because you don't have a use-case similar to that, you have to assume that 1. It doesn't happen, and 2. Apple's literature on battery care is false.

Anyway, good luck using your phone.

You're full of strawmen, eh? Go ahead and show me ANY documented case by ANY one person that only uses their iPhone when it's plugged in.

Also, I never said it was false. Just useless.