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>Twalk advise: I think that some things need to be pointed out in this thread:
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>1) Security is a probability. There is no such thing as a 100% secure system
>2) Older systems can be more secure than newer systems. Older systems can be fully patched up for all known issues while >newer systems can have new issues pop up
>3) For home computer users, OS security is usually radically less important than browser & email security. Upgrading your OS >does NOT automatically make you more secure with your browser & email
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Security can be thought logically. You are not trying to put a lock on every drawer, encrypt every StickyNote, every cupboard and every door inside your house. Who would want to live that way? No?

Security begins with stopping them at the front door. That's where you want to put the strongest locks to prevent intrusion. First principles: Firewall. Invest in securing your computer behind a good firewall, paid updates to keep it secure and have it installed by a professional.

Best Practices: email and browser mentioned have been well covered

Relax. You have an incredible piece of hardware, running state of the art software which_is_security updated. That security will live into the future. MacStrategy.com posts update packages and instructions how to further secure Mac's AFTER they have been deprecated from Apple Security updates.

No need to run off installing brandX software, unfamiliar OS'n and 4th party hacks to keep running your <FAV> computer.

I live with a partner who pays $$$$ yearly on branded security packages for several machines. She can't live without their warm sear sucker suit updates. So many complications ensue, complexities added and time. Time alone spent updating, fixing and waiting on support HOLD is simply not worth the heartache. Not when a simple backup is hours away from restoring full functionality in her case. Mostly, corrupted data, files and 3rd party software idiosyncrasies with installed branded security packages.

Thank you so much for your detailed reply ElitistWhiner!

Many MacRumors users have suggested I install the "DosDudePatcher", but I don't want to risk installing a MacOS which is not officially made by Apple. I'd be much more comfortable installing Windows 10 instead of using the "DosDudePatcher".

What's a good firewall you can recommend?

Like I said here earlier: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...o-with-mac-mini-mid2011.2228216/post-28355153

The reason I'm so concerned about security is I just keep thinking of the Windows XP 2003/2004 where just connecting to the Internet put your Windows XP PC at risk if you didn't have the latest Windows XP update...
 
The reason I'm so concerned about security is I just keep thinking of the Windows XP 2003/2004 where just connecting to the Internet put your Windows XP PC at risk if you didn't have the latest Windows XP update...

Those were direct attacks against the operating system. Back then, most people didn't have firewalls running at home to stop this kind of stuff. Now nearly everyone has a modem/router that includes a firewall and MacOS runs a personal firewall on your computer. That right there basically eliminates the type of attack that you're worried about. This problem is already solved

Quite frankly, I haven't heard of a direct attack like that working in at least 7-8 years or so for home equipment. Hackers really have just given up on that type of attack. You pretty much have to deliberately sabotage your firewall(s) for there to be any real chance for it to happen. When you include all the OS patching that was done back then, this really just doesn't happen

Like I said before, application security is the real issue. Your browser and email are prime targets. If you don't have those secured, then you're vulnerable irregardless of how current your OS is

With security, you should always focus on the primary threats. Apologies, but you should change your worries to where the real threats are coming from
 
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Maybe I'm stupid or naive or both (you don't have to answer that as it is a rhetorical trick), but as I run a G4 PPC Mac Mini, a G5 iMac, a 32-bit Intel iMac, and 2 2006 64-bit Intel iMacs, all with internet connexion, and have NEVER had a problem, I cannot see what all the fuss might be about running an Apple system that is about 5 years old.

Personally I'd run the last possible version of macOS you can manage on your machine (NO: I would not go for any funny business with wonky kext files and so forth), and install a decent anti-virus thing.
 
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Short answer, until they die. Scared? Frightened? Keep your favorite Mac a hermit. Don't get on the internet, use email or connect to another computer. Don't add any new software. Scan every file imported from an external drive with security software before importing or don't import at all. Same applies to contagious diseases - don't want to catch it? Stay at home and never leave. Sanitize anything that comes to the doorstep. This thread has been mainly the choice between a new hard drive or an external Thunderbolt drive with the last OS used on a dead hard drive, High Sierra. Numerous suggestions/recommendations on security practices, etc. have been offered over the last seven pages - all ignored as evidenced by a lack of a decision and what the results were from the choice. I suggest that the moderators pull this thread to end it.
 
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Thank you so much for your detailed reply ElitistWhiner!

Many MacRumors users have suggested I install the "DosDudePatcher", but I don't want to risk installing a MacOS which is not officially made by Apple. I'd be much more comfortable installing Windows 10 instead of using the "DosDudePatcher".
;)
What's a good firewall you can recommend?

Like I said here earlier: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...o-with-mac-mini-mid2011.2228216/post-28355153

The reason I'm so concerned about security is I just keep thinking of the Windows XP 2003/2004 where just connecting to the Internet put your Windows XP PC at risk if you didn't have the latest Windows XP update...

I've been reading this thread from the beginning, even gave a comment HERE, but now after all the wise and valid advise you've been given from many, think it's time to be honest with you.
I've been a long believer of the saying, "A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing!" (I was just about to add, "especially for women"), which is particularly true of my wife, who worries about the least little thing, and even when times are quiet and calm, I believe she still worries - because she has nothing to worry about!
So you'll understand me when I say that with her late 2012 Mac Mini (imho the last of the great, total bargain/cost-effective/user repairable Mini's) she loves it, rarely worries about it, simply because she hasn't a clue whether it's running OS 9, Tiger, Leopard, Sierra, Alpine or Mount Everest......
Honestly, for all practical purposes (forget the theoretical ones, as they cause you unecessary worry) it doesn't matter a fig which OS you use if you have a good updated internet web browser, (and tweek that for added security if one is particularly paranoid). Plus use DuckDuckGo as a search engine, I always do over Safari - have't used that for many years and certainly don't plan to.
To give a practical example. As an avid collector of Macs, I've used many of my PowerPC's, and early Intel desktop and laptop Macs (circa 2001 onwards) with a wide range of OS X systems, and still continue to use them in 2020 on the internet and have never had a virus or malware related attack affecting either the software of hardware. As a footnote to that comment, all those early machines and their OS's were declared obsolete probably even before Fred Flintstone was in diapers (slight exaggeration), but hopefully you get my point.
Recently I was running OS Leopard on a mid 2007 Mac Mini and although using an up-to-date web browser was not totally happy with it. So upgraded to OS X Lion 10.7 which I installed on an SSD, downloaded FireFoxLegacy 68.12 which is a modern, secure (O8/2020) web browser, and together with DuckDuckGo I couldn't feel happier or safer.
So to @BeautifulWoman_1984 I'll just add:
i) Stay with your current High Sierra, ditch Safari and/or Google, and install the latest FireFox together with the search engine already mentioned. You'll be perfectly safe - and won't need a crucifix or sprig of garlic for added security.
ii) Unless you are very keen diy, find a friend who could install an SSD with Mojave via dosdude1 patch. Not sure where you're located but I'd do it free-of charge if you lived nearby - as I have done for several family members and friends of friends etc.
iii) Don't listen to any of us, but just spend serious money on a later Mac Mini, which imho in the real world would not give you total peace of mind, as once a soldered-on memory module or other fixed component fails, you will have serious worries due to the potential cost of replacement........
Please let us know which of the above suggestions you go for.
 
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Those were direct attacks against the operating system. Back then, most people didn't have firewalls running at home to stop this kind of stuff. Now nearly everyone has a modem/router that includes a firewall and MacOS runs a personal firewall on your computer. That right there basically eliminates the type of attack that you're worried about. This problem is already solved

Quite frankly, I haven't heard of a direct attack like that working in at least 7-8 years or so for home equipment. Hackers really have just given up on that type of attack. You pretty much have to deliberately sabotage your firewall(s) for there to be any real chance for it to happen. When you include all the OS patching that was done back then, this really just doesn't happen

Like I said before, application security is the real issue. Your browser and email are prime targets. If you don't have those secured, then you're vulnerable irregardless of how current your OS is

With security, you should always focus on the primary threats. Apologies, but you should change your worries to where the real threats are coming from
Thank you so much for your reply Twalk!

I still have high stress/terrible memories of those attacks on my Windows XP system back in 2003/2004 so you could say those memories are burned into my mind!
 
Yes, I really can't believe this thread about a hard drive has gone on for over 5 months now and 7 pages...
@BeautifulWoman_1984 - so what’s the word?

We’re almost six months into this decision.

Are you going to swap that hard drive or what?

Yes, I'm sorry this has been such a long process and believe me, I wish I had solved this much sooner... 😥

I've just been under so much stress because of the current economic/health crisis that it's made it hard for me to focus on things...
 
My biggest fear has come true: Apple will stop giving security updates to my Mac Mini mid2011 in September 2020...

In the year 2020, this was your biggest fear? Congrats!

It's nearly 10 years old at this point. The party has to end sometime.

- donate it to an org who could use a basic computer
- install Windows or Linux on it, for kicks
- sell it for $50 and buy a nice lunch or put the money toward a more recent Mini. Even one from the past 5 years is gonna be a lot faster and more capable.
 
In the year 2020, this was your biggest fear? Congrats!

It's nearly 10 years old at this point. The party has to end sometime.

- donate it to an org who could use a basic computer
- install Windows or Linux on it, for kicks
- sell it for $50 and buy a nice lunch or put the money toward a more recent Mini. Even one from the past 5 years is gonna be a lot faster and more capable.
Thank you for your reply Ignatius.

When I said my "biggest fear has come true" I was referring to the fear of my Mac Mini mid2011 not being able to run a MacOS that's receiving security updates and not my entire life. Of course the COVID health crisis has been causing me a lot of stress as I've been greatly harmed financially and in terms of my career. The COVID health crisis is the main reason I've been trying to solve my Mac Mini mid2011 problem for so long now. 😓 😓 😓

Security is really important to me.

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The Mac Mini mid2011 is still a great performer for me so and since I've only turned it on a handful of times in the past 5 years(since the internal HDD it came with died) I feel like it's still got a lot of life left in it so I don't want to throw it away.

I'm researching how to install Windows 10 on it as well.
 
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I have not read this thread but saw the headline, so here goes:

My main desktop Mac continues to be my trusty 2011 Mac Mini with the hard drive partitioned into 3 partitions: Snow Leopard, Mt. Lion and High Sierra.

Some years back I installed 16G RAM and a 1 T Hard Drive.

My daily operations are in High Sierra

This was the last Mac Mini to be able to run Snow Leopard (thanks to the work published on the Apple Community Discussions by NewFoundGlory, and for those who have a need to run PowerPC software with Rosetta, this is the best way to do so.

I use Mt Lion rarely, like recently syncing files to my legacy 1st Generation AppleTV (Silver) which I use as a 5.1 Surround Sound audio server.

If you gave me a brand new Mac Mini, I am not sure what more I could do with it that I am not doing now with my 2011.

While I believe you cannot install Windows 10 in Boot Camp and boot into it, the best way to do so is Parallels (or other form of virtualization) and co-operate it with High Sierra (or Mojave) at the same time.

MacSales.com (OWC) is a good source of RAM and HDs to upgrade with.
 
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My main desktop Mac continues to be my trusty 2011 Mac Mini with the hard drive partitioned into 3 partitions: Snow Leopard, Mt. Lion and High Sierra.

My daily operations are in High Sierra

If you gave me a brand new Mac Mini, I am not sure what more I could do with it that I am not doing now with my 2011.

While I believe you cannot install Windows 10 in Boot Camp and boot into it, the best way to do so is Parallels (or other form of virtualization) and co-operate it with High Sierra (or Mojave) at the same time.
Thank you for your reply MichaelLax!

This is great for me to hear as I'm in the same situation as you: Even if I bought a new Mac Mini 2020 I don't really see how it'd bring big improvements compared to me using my Mac Mini mid2011.

My decision is leaning towards:
--Installing a new internal HDD inside the Mac Mini mid2011 and not using Thunderbolt/USB/Firewire
--Installing Windows 10(Some people say only Windows 7 is supported for the Mac Mini mid2011???) 😢 😢 😢

I created a thread about installing Windows 10, but I could use some help: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-to-install-windows-10-on-a-mac-mini.2252599/
 
Not really on topic but.... Years ago George Carlin did a bit about an inmate who was given the choice of his last meal. "What do you want, steak or lobster? "Hmm." He couldn't decide. Weeks, then months went by - can't decide. Lie detector, truth serum, couldn't decide. Finally, he says, "I'll have the steak." "How do you want that cooked?" ;)
 
Thank you for your reply MichaelLax!

This is great for me to hear as I'm in the same situation as you: Even if I bought a new Mac Mini 2020 I don't really see how it'd bring big improvements compared to me using my Mac Mini mid2011.

My decision is leaning towards:
--Installing a new internal HDD inside the Mac Mini mid2011 and not using Thunderbolt/USB/Firewire
--Installing Windows 10(Some people say only Windows 7 is supported for the Mac Mini mid2011???) 😢 😢 😢

I created a thread about installing Windows 10, but I could use some help: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-to-install-windows-10-on-a-mac-mini.2252599/
Let's move this discussion over to the other thread, which I will have to read completely.

But some initial questions:

1) What will you use Windows 10 for?

2) Have you considered using Windows 10 inside Parallels, which gives you the additional feature of having OSX (presumably High Sierra, like me) running alongside Windows 10)?

I don't use Windows that often and when I do, somewhat funny, but I still get along with my Windows XP working in Parallels.

But I was thinking about getting Windows 10 for Parallels just for giggles until I saw the $130 price. That having been said one article said something about buying a used copy from Newegg for about $30. I'll have to research that.

I'll be looking for your reply on the other thread! :)
 
Not really on topic but.... Years ago George Carlin did a bit about an inmate who was given the choice of his last meal. "What do you want, steak or lobster? "Hmm." He couldn't decide. Weeks, then months went by - can't decide. Lie detector, truth serum, couldn't decide. Finally, he says, "I'll have the steak." "How do you want that cooked?" ;)
Thank you for your reply Nedstah!

I hope I'm not being a nuisance as the MacRumors community means a lot to me, but I just want to make the right decision.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say? :(
 
There is nothing wrong with your thread and you're not "a nuisance". I understand why some people might be frustrated that your decision process is taking so long, but if they don't have anything else constructive to contribute then it's time for them to move on.
I'm dropping out of this conversation as I think the help needed requires a different website and different experts. Hopefully, BW_1984, you will find someone who can assess the information from the last five months and seven pages and help you make a decision quickly and have a breakthrough in your life. Beware of enablers who tell you it's all okay and nothing's wrong.
 
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I'm dropping out of this conversation as I think the help needed requires a different website and different experts. Hopefully, BW_1984, you will find someone who can assess the information from the last five months and seven pages and help you make a decision quickly and have a breakthrough in your life. Beware of enablers who tell you it's all okay and nothing's wrong.
I definitely respect your computing knowledge Nedstah so I'm curious as to what you mean by me needing a "different website and different experts"???

Did I say something to upset you?
 
I definitely respect your computing knowledge Nedstah so I'm curious as to what you mean by me needing a "different website and different experts"???

Did I say something to upset you?

Haha, Beautiful you are the best.

Making decisions without thinking is the reason the world is in situation it is right now.
 
Haha, Beautiful you are the best.

Making decisions without thinking is the reason the world is in situation it is right now.
Thank you for your reply Avz!

I really want to solve this problem as soon as I can so any advice you can offer would be much appreciated.
 
You've received a ton of advice on this thread and others, with suggestions for both 'supported' options (staying on High Sierra and exercising safe browsing, as it sounds you do) and 'not supported' (getting Windows 10 to work, or using the patcher tool to run Catalina or perhaps beyond).

What specific outstanding questions do you have about the options?

You note above
My decision is leaning towards:
--Installing a new internal HDD inside the Mac Mini mid2011 and not using Thunderbolt/USB/Firewire
--Installing Windows 10(Some people say only Windows 7 is supported for the Mac Mini mid2011???) 😢 😢 😢

There is nothing stopping you from upgrading the HD yourself, and installing Win10, which requires some fiddling on your part that I posted a resource to in the other thread.

It sounds like this is the best option for you economically and security-wise. So, I recommend going forth and prospering with this route.
 
One big thing that's changed since this thread was created is the ARM transition is officially happening. Maybe the best option now is to just invest in an ARM-based Mini. It's a lot simpler than installing a new hard drive or SSD, especially if you weren't planning on doing the work yourself. ARM-based Macs are the future, and will be supported much longer than Intel-based ones will. And finally, ARM-based Macs will almost certainly be cheaper than their Intel versions. We don't know pricing yet, but a new ARM Mini might not end up being that much more expensive then the parts (and effort) to rehab the 2011.
 
One big thing that's changed since this thread was created is the ARM transition is officially happening. Maybe the best option now is to just invest in an ARM-based Mini. It's a lot simpler than installing a new hard drive or SSD, especially if you weren't planning on doing the work yourself. ARM-based Macs are the future, and will be supported much longer than Intel-based ones will. And finally, ARM-based Macs will almost certainly be cheaper than their Intel versions. We don't know pricing yet, but a new ARM Mini might not end up being that much more expensive then the parts (and effort) to rehab the 2011.
Noooooooo! That means this thread will continue for another $%#&**^% six months!:eek::rolleyes:
 
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