After much reading, I've decided to wait.

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by Gregintosh, Nov 4, 2016.

  1. Gregintosh macrumors 68000

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    I am a big fan of Apple and I had my eye on either the 13 or 15. After seeing the 13 space grey in stores, I fell in love.

    But after much research, I have decided to wait on buying the new Pros until the next generation. It's not that these aren't great but as with all generation 1 products, there are some issues that are bound to be resolved by generation 2.

    This is not a fatalistic Apple is done post. In all honesty, if someone has an older computer or just needs a new one the new Pros are amazing. I currently own the 2012 Retina 15" base model and it is serving my needs fine, so a part of the delay is just trying to get more mileage out of that purchase.

    Here's my full list of factors. Keep in mind, none of these are deal breakers on their own. But when all of them are combined, I feel like the wiser move is to wait.

    1. For the 13", fast bus speed only exists on one side of the unit not the other.

    2. The thunderbolts aren't compatible with all thunderbolt 3 devices (found out today). Probably not a big deal but this made me think to wait until the rest of the bad news gets delivered cause it seems like there's something every day.

    3. TouchBar will need some time to get really good on non-native apps (perhaps even native apps). It may even be possible that generation 2's ship with better Touch Bar hardware (like having haptic feedback). History points to massive improvements in generation 2's, and I have feeling this will not be an exception.

    4. Processors with h265 will be much more future proofed. My current Retina Pro 2012 stutters on 4K video playback and fans go nuts when doing video work. Granted, this is not something I do everyday but it was annoying to download a 4K video and not be able to play it well enough. I would love for my next generation laptop to support next generation video with ease.

    5. Dongles & Ports. Losing all ports but the new one will cause a lot of inconveniences and make me spend more than I want on new versions of accessories I use and dongles. I think punting that one more year gives me a chance next year to start slowly replacing my things and easing into a better workflow.

    6. Pricing. History tells us Apple usually drops prices as they gain economies of scale. The $2399 starting point is likely to move down to $2199 (maybe $1999?) and/or include better specs by next year. Ditto for the $1799 starting price on the 13, it may move to $1499, while the non-TouchBar drops to $1199 or somewhere there to fully replace the 13 Air.

    > Practical impact: I will be able to put a few hundred bucks more toward upgrades for the same money.

    7. RAM. Not an issue for me personally since I think 16GB is plenty BUT I know many on here would love 32GB.


    In conclusion, I will take the $4k or so I have set aside for a new computer and monitor and wait until next year. That will have given me a full 5 or 5.5 years out of my 2012 model and with the expected upgrades I will have a new computer that will last another 5 to 6 after that!


    For those who NEED a new computer: The current gen is good enough that I'd recommend a buy. If my computer broke or got stolen or something, I would totally buy it. I don't see the point in buying some alternative older model or switching platforms.
     
  2. sinoka56, Nov 4, 2016
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    was hoping to buy a new mbp this gen but this happened

    won't buy a first gen product
     
  3. azpekt macrumors regular

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    So you don`t need to upgrade :)
     
  4. Queen6 macrumors 603

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    Same here I will wait and see what develops for the 15" MBP Gen 2 / Gen 3. The question of the upgrade of my 13" 2014 rMBP is resolved, now replaced by a i7 Surface Book, likely I will continue this trend once Surface Book 2 is launched opting for the i7 again with Power Base in 2017.

    Q-6
     
  5. danieleilertsen macrumors regular

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    You can always wait my friend. There will never be a product that is perfect and will last forever.

    When the new generation comes out you will see rumors towards the generation after that. And there will be plenty of benifts with the generation after that. Trust me!

    If you like something buy it, when you like something new thats better buy this.
     
  6. jjlannoo Suspended

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    You can wait forever for the next best thing in tech, You can also be dead tomorrow. Worry less.
     
  7. Macalway macrumors 68020

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    Thanks for you well thought out decision. Always good to carefully assess the situation instead of blindly spending hard earned money.

    I'm buying one just because I want one. Not really well thought out. I'm pretty sure i'll use it though.
     
  8. Ghost31 macrumors 68000

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    We are in such a whorish "omg I gotta have it nowwwww" generation that I think just calmly sitting back and waiting is the most mature thing to do.

    I mean why not? Gen 2 all issues will be ironed out. There will be a price drop. And the processors will be even better than it is now. People like to tease users who put a lot of thought into their purchases as "psh. Well you'll be waiting around forever then!" No. they won't. They made a clear conscious decision with a big Pro and con list and decided the best time for them to upgrade. That is called being a smart consumer. More people should be like that
     
  9. Macalway macrumors 68020

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    There is reason for pause at this point. This whole 'thin' thing makes me wonder. It reduces weight, which is really great, but at what cost? The direction the keyboard is going almost seems like they are trying to reinvent the wheel. Apple is great, but the wheel is greater.
     
  10. Ghost31 macrumors 68000

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    Apple has a lot of pressure to perform. They held a laptop event where they released a new laptop and most people were upset because Apple didn't completely change what a laptop is. They didn't add touch screens. They didn't...I don't even know. Wtf else can you even do to a laptop? Holographic displays? Microchips in your brain? Jesus man. I almost feel bad for apple. No matter what they released, it would be called "not innovative" because Microsoft had an event where they came out with an underpowered desktop with a touchscreen.

    I don't know...I think apple went a little too far this time. Sure. Make it thinner. But not at the expense of a damn functional keyboard. When a keyboard type cover has a better typing experience, you have failed. When I can buy a $300 windows laptop with a better keyboard, you've failed.

    And why would you put up your money for that man? I know it's kinda sexy and we dig apple, but mannnn....how can we vote with our wallets when people complain and buy it anyway. The only message that is sent is "they'll complain and then stop complaining the moment they put in their credit card number".

    And this is a different era than the last redesign/price increase. Windows 10 is actually good
     
  11. chabig macrumors 68040

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    Did Microsoft get rid of 1980s drive letters yet? Can you rename a file while its open? Windows 10 is certainly the prettiest Windows, but good?
     
  12. Gregintosh thread starter macrumors 68000

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    True.. I don't *NEED* to, but I want to at some point. The main drawback with the machine I have is battery life. Since it only lasts about 4 to 5 hours of productivity at this point, I can't really leave home without my cord. This is a bummer because I like to work out of libraries and coffee shops and such (I run my own business).

    The 10 hour battery life (even if it turns out to be just 7 to 8 or so of "real world") has me salivating.


    Yes, I agree with you two (and the others who posted similar sentiment). There is always something better BUT the amount of improvement for Apple products is always greatest on the 2nd generation. The generations after that are going to be speed bumps and minor features.

    Also, generation 1 products are the ones that have the most issues/recalls/etc. And so far there has been a large steady stream of bad news of incompatibilities and little quirks with this one... and it's not even in the hands of customers yet. I am sure when it hits there will be a lot more.

    I owned many first generation products and from that experience I learned that generation 1 is the beta and generation 2 is what generation 1 should have been. So while it is not wise to keep waiting for something better (since something better is always coming) it is wise to wait for generation 2 I think.
     

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