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After two months with Lion, thoughts on my return to Snow Leopard

Lokheed said:
1. Unstable OS. What does Apple have to go on there? What specific problems made it unstable. Screen would regularly not wake and wifi issues... that's all I got. Okay.

2. SL is faster and more stable. Okay. Apple has a ton of data there. I'm looking for data, but, hey, there's none there. I guess we just go by feelings and placebos.

3. They don't like full screen and whine about scrolling direction, the latter of which, sure, they can file a bug.

If that's your interpretation of precision problem reporting, then you set a low bar.
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I don't think you understood my intended audience for this post. I assume a level of understanding from the people reading my post from their own first hand experience. So, for example, I don't need to provide full blown error reports on Snow Leopard being more stable because there are plenty of people on this forum pointing this out in a variety of ways. For me, if I use Safari extensively I can feel the point where my computer slows down because all available RAM is used up and RAM swapping occurs. I've documented 2+ GB of RAM being tied up by Safari & Safari Web Content.

Lastly, how much more specific could I get when talking about my screen being unresponsive? I wake the computer from sleep and the screen doesn't turn on. The backlight and caps lock light are all responsive but the screen stays blank. Then after a minute or two it comes to life. I don't know what else I can report on that subject.

And I never claimed Full-Screen was a bug. I just feel like it wasn't completely vetted before release.
 
seetheforest said:
I don't think you understood my intended audience for this post. I assume a level of understanding from the people reading my post from their own first hand experience. So, for example, I don't need to provide full blown error reports on Snow Leopard being more stable because there are plenty of people on this forum pointing this out in a variety of ways. For me, if I use Safari extensively I can feel the point where my computer slows down because all available RAM is used up and RAM swapping occurs. I've documented 2+ GB of RAM being tied up by Safari & Safari Web Content.

Lastly, how much more specific could I get when talking about my screen being unresponsive? I wake the computer from sleep and the screen doesn't turn on. The backlight and caps lock light are all responsive but the screen stays blank. Then after a minute or two it comes to life. I don't know what else I can report on that subject.

And I never claimed Full-Screen was a bug. I just feel like it wasn't completely vetted before release.
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Ya, so like I said originally: Just to commiserate. Whining. Then buddy jumped in and said you had specific points.

I'd say at least be a grown up about it and own it but if you did that, I suspect you wouldn't have started this thread to begin with.


So here we are again. Full circle.
 
Ok this is for all of you. Now I started with osx in tiger now what I have observed since then is that osx was this perfect OS that was getting better. Apple would add stuff and improve stuff along the way and in the end for the most part the choice was left to the user. I loved leopard seeing the wwdc keynote introducing leopard was the reason I bought my first apple computer and the same thing with snow leopard I saw the same thing. It only got better.

Then lion is introduced and It felt like they took the apple design bible and threw it out the window. All of a sudden tablets became the it thing and apple decided to re think a concept that was just fine.

Some one else said here that tablets are not adopted by businesses. That is a half truth, they are. But tablets have not not replaced the PC it only complements it and that right there is apples problem. They need to let the iPad be the iPad and let the Mac stay the Mac

Look at windows 8 for a moment. Lets forgo the ugly ribbon that they have put in. And look at the metro interface. An interface designed for tablets or a PC but you can disable it and use it like a normal keyboard mouse system

Now I may be lions #1 hater on the net but I think If apple would ever make a proper tablet, lion would be great in that application

In conclusion. Apple you did not have to go back to the drawing board with osx. You had a good thing and if you can go back to the drawing board with lion and return control to the users. Let us decide how we use our computers, we are all different you might come up with something special. I have a big monitor, I don't need my scroll bars to disappear or be the tiny black ones you can opt for etc etc

Im interested on what you all think with what I had to say
 
Lokheed said:
Ya, so like I said originally: Just to commiserate. Whining. Then buddy jumped in and said you had specific points.

I'd say at least be a grown up about it and own it but if you did that, I suspect you wouldn't have started this thread to begin with.


So here we are again. Full circle.
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Every post on this board is to commiserate on some level. What's your point? I gave very specific reasons on the pluses and minuses for Lion. It's my opinion and I'm free to share it. For you to be so concerned about procedural crap instead of focusing on the points raise in the OP is really mystifying.
 
iisforiphone said:
im new to mac and my MBP came with lion pre-installed but what are these gymnastics your speaking about for wi-fi? my wifi is connected when when i wake the MBP
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When I return from sleep my airport (the wireless signal) shows that it is connected to my router, but there is no internet connection. During this time I have checked with other devices and I can access the internet with them.

When I go through the network diagnostics the mac says that there is no problem and it is connected to the net. But the only way to actually get my laptop online is to kill Airport and then turn it back on.
 
seetheforest said:
[*]Incomplete implementation of new features: The gestures in Lion are just flawed. There are bonafied conflicts when you play with the scrolling directions and the forward and back gestures. The same can be said with full-screen app implementation.
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Completely agree. Horizontal swipes I really miss. And the finger finger gestures for Launch Pad and Show Desktop are not usable at all..
 
At first, I was really missing SL after installing Lion. After a week, I would never go back. I got used to the "natural" scrolling, and love all the other gestures. Changed the skin in iCal to something normal, burried Launchpad, and I'm happy. Having said that, I've never had a single instability caused by Lion, no WiFi dropouts, etc. If I had, I'm sure my opinion would be somewhat different.
 
I have to reboot my macpro (14gb ram) every time i want to play any game on Steam. When Lion wakes from sleep, the performance of the graphics drivers plummets and requires a reboot for it to get back to normal. Mind you, i have an amd5870 in this thing so i shouldn't be getting 19fps in left 4 dead 2.

Snow leopard never had this problem... well, except for 10.6.4 which was probably the worst of the snow leopard patches
 
I experienced the wifi bug on one of our Macs. There was an ethernet drop nearby. Problem solved. Still, shame on Apple for something as serious as a wifi bug in the first place. A main reason I stopped using my old Netbook, besides the fact that my iPad is such a pleasure to use, was that the Netbook had wifi driver issues from time to time. Basic underpinnings of the OS must simply "just work" and Apple deserves every bit of criticism it is getting over the wifi issue.

Another issue is just as much of an annoyance for me. I can't use a 3rd party VPN client with Lion on a Mac with multiple monitors. 10.7.1 didn't fix this issue, either. Having to unplug my second monitor before I walk away to make sure I can remote from my iPad is a major annoyance.

Another problem is the threat that those of us with mobile me subscriptions would lose our services if we didn't migrate to Lion. Only after I moved all our Macs to Lion did I start to see hints that Snow Leopard would be supported by iCloud. This is not what I call a "smooth roll out." By Apple standards the rollout of Lion and iCloud is below par.

I haven't seen the stability issues people mention in so many of these threads. I like some of the new features in Lion and ignore the ones I don't care about like Launchpad. Even with the issues I'm having, it enough to send me running back to Snow Leopard but I wish Apple had done better. I don't mind seeing so many threads about this because I hope Apple engineering sees the fuss and is more careful next time. When you pay money for something, even if it's only 29 bucks, and it doesn't work right for you, IMHO telling people about it in a forum is not whining.
 
jameslmoser said:
People do care. They want to know they are not alone and that hopefully with the number of people complaining out there Apple with fix the mess they created.

Lion is a Joke. Its all gimmicks and trying to appease to the Ipad users so they will buy a mac. But... they are trying to sell it to us saying we are in a "post pc" world. So why try to get them to like the Mac if its time has come? Its because even Jobs knows that BS. Tell me one company that has replaced their computers with Tablets for real work... there aren't any.

They should have let the people who wanted an ipad, or that an ipad does everything they need be happy with just their Ipad, and made their Desktop OS more powerful to people who want a REAL computer.

They created a new market and now they are trying to cram it together with an old one? doesn't make any sense... neither does much about Lion.
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Took the words right out of my mouth :rolleyes:
 
seetheforest said:
When I go through the network diagnostics the mac says that there is no problem and it is connected to the net. But the only way to actually get my laptop online is to kill Airport and then turn it back on.
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Yep. Same thing here. Works fine on all PC's and iPhones but not the macs. Toggling airport off for 2 seconds then back on again fixes it.

I had this problem in SL as well starting with the 10.6.2 (I think). Whatever they did in that update carried over into Lion. Absolutely convinced Apple introduced some kind of conflict here and they certainly know it. Every update supposedly has some kind of documented Wi-Fi fix in it but it hasn't worked for me.
 
blackomega31 said:
Ok this is for all of you. Now I started with osx in tiger now what I have observed since then is that osx was this perfect OS that was getting better. Apple would add stuff and improve stuff along the way and in the end for the most part the choice was left to the user. I loved leopard seeing the wwdc keynote introducing leopard was the reason I bought my first apple computer and the same thing with snow leopard I saw the same thing. It only got better.

Then lion is introduced and It felt like they took the apple design bible and threw it out the window. All of a sudden tablets became the it thing and apple decided to re think a concept that was just fine.

Some one else said here that tablets are not adopted by businesses. That is a half truth, they are. But tablets have not not replaced the PC it only complements it and that right there is apples problem. They need to let the iPad be the iPad and let the Mac stay the Mac

Look at windows 8 for a moment. Lets forgo the ugly ribbon that they have put in. And look at the metro interface. An interface designed for tablets or a PC but you can disable it and use it like a normal keyboard mouse system

Now I may be lions #1 hater on the net but I think If apple would ever make a proper tablet, lion would be great in that application

In conclusion. Apple you did not have to go back to the drawing board with osx. You had a good thing and if you can go back to the drawing board with lion and return control to the users. Let us decide how we use our computers, we are all different you might come up with something special. I have a big monitor, I don't need my scroll bars to disappear or be the tiny black ones you can opt for etc etc

Im interested on what you all think with what I had to say
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Ive been a user since OSX 9. I really think OSX is maturing in the right direction. I haven't had any major issues upgrading to Lion on this iMac that was originally built with Tiger. I do agree with you that the user should be able to have more control over the UI.
 
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