Again heat issues i7

Discussion in 'Mac mini' started by FantomXR, May 29, 2014.

  1. FantomXR macrumors newbie

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    Hey people,

    I just signed up on this forum, because I have a question regarding the heating issues of a mac mini. Mine is a i7 2,6GHz with 16GB RAM and SSD. As far as I know, high temps are "normal" on this model.

    In Idle I have 50° celsius with fan speed at 3500rpm (set with SMC). When using software (Mainstage in my case), it goes up to 90-95° and the fan starts to spin faster till it reached 5500rpm. It stays there till I quit Mainstage.

    For some reasons the mac mini sits in an enclosure with limited space and so limited air. I putted two 50x50 fans inside this enclosure. One "shoots" to the air slot on the back and the second one is screwed to a hole in the enclosure and blows the air out.
    I turned the mini upside down and putted it on four little feet.

    I need to get this thing cooler. Because when the summer comes it could be, that this enclosure is placed on a warm spot and I'm afraid, that will kill the mini.

    My idea now is to saw a hole in the bottom of the enclosure and put a 120mm fan into it. But I'm wondering in which direction? Do you think, it's better to give the mini some fresh air by blowing air inside the box or does it lead to heat accumulation? Or maybe I should place the fan like it draws the hot air out of the case into the nature?

    Attached there is a picture of the case. BTW: The bottom is made from 9mm wood. So it would be pretty easy to add a hole, that is big enough.

    Thank you very much!

    Best regards from Germany,
    Chris
     

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  2. Mr. Retrofire macrumors 601

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    Open first the Mac mini and make sure that the fan is dust-free! The best cooling is useless without a dust-free fan. I use an old toothbrush to clean the fan(s).
     
  3. FantomXR thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Hey,

    I just bought this new a week ago and installed the SSD. The fan ist dust free.
     
  4. FantomXR thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Please let me quote myself from my first post:

    So, SMC Fan Control is already installed.
     
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    The i7 Mini does get quite hot and this weekend I plan on taking off the heatsink, cleaning it and using Arctic Silver.
    I have read of up to a 10 C drop so this would be worth it for me to do, I have a fairly brand new i7 mini also and while the heat doesn't scare me much, I've yet to have a mini restart or fail due to heat and I've been using them daily as work stations for 5 years.

    but

    Mine under high load will usually go up to 195-205 F so if I can get a 10 deg or more drop from just applying paste I'm on it.
    Also, this was 200+ F with the fan set on 4800+rpm.

    I am going to do a few controlled tests, avg the temp and then do the new thermal paste and retest right away and then again after a few days once it has cured more and see what the difference is.
     
  6. paulrbeers macrumors 68040

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    This is normal. The processors are rated to 105C and if they break that threshold they will shut down to protect themselves. Unless your mini is shutting down I see no reason to worry. This has been discussed time and time again. There is no widespread heat issues and only those storing their minis in poorly ventilated areas have any issues. There have been several threads on modifications if you really feel it necessary. With that said my mini has transcoded videos in handbrake for days straight running well into the 90s with no issues.
     
  7. jbarley, May 29, 2014
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    From what I read here it appears your modifications are counter productive and fighting the designed natural airflow.
    The mini is designed to draw cool air into the bottom and exhaust it out the rear slots.
    Blowing a fan into the rear slots would impede the exhaust of warm air, and mounting the mini upside down restricts the natural upwards flow of warm air rising.
     
  8. Schnort, May 30, 2014
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    The best solution for enclosing your mac would be to duct the output port of the mini directly to the outside of the enclosure. It may be useful to use fans to push air into the enclosure, and pull air out of the exhaust port.
     
  9. jjhoekstra macrumors regular

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    Based on years of building custom PCs for low noise environments I fully agree with this principle. In addition I would check if your 50mm fans are strong enough. 50s very often are low power with a corresponding low yield. A reasonably powerfull 120 mm fan at the bottom with air flowing into the enclosure and a duct from the mini-output port to outside the enclosure should be more than enough. And put your mini in the normal up-right position.
     
  10. Steve121178 macrumors 68040

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    Chips are designed to run to a certain level and the Mac Mini has adequate cooling. It will shut itself down if there is a problem to prevent damage.

    People waste too much time with stupid modifications and monitoring tools. You don't need any of it.
     
  11. Mr. Retrofire macrumors 601

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    Intel Turbo Boost reduces the processor speed before the processor can overheat. This means Sandy Bridge and newer processors can not overheat.
     
  12. wwohl macrumors regular

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    I have the same setup as you. My mini is running at 47*C right now idling on the web and was at 95*C a few minutes ago playing a game with the CPU under load.

    Those temps are "as expected" for the minis. Especially the core i7.

    Don't waste your time with an extra fan. The mini is always gonna run that warm (unless you put an AC unit in the box)

    Bill
     
  13. cgc macrumors 6502a

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    If you have an air conditioning vent on the floor you can place your Mini on it (might need extension cords). Kinda of lame but it would help.
     
  14. theSeb macrumors 604

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    What makes me laugh is people that use fan control tools, because clearly they know better.
     
  15. The-Pro macrumors 65816

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    taking the bottom cover off lowers cpu temps by about 20°C.
    I have seen someone buy a 120mm USB desktop fan, prop it up horizontally on 4 pieces of wood on every corner and place the mini without the bottom cover on top of the fan. So the fan is sucking in air and blowing it into the mini. Then he used a fine mesh under the fan to stop large pieces of dust to be sucked in. It was very effective.

    But honestly, dont worry about the temperatures. They are stress tested by apple for weeks running at max temperatures. If these temperatures would cause premature failure then apple would have made the cooling system better.

    My 2012 cMBP with the 2.6 i7 runs at 99-103°C when using handbrake. Its a bit freaky to see a number over 100 but as long as it wont melt down on me or anything im ok with it.
     
  16. mmomega macrumors demi-god

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    You may have a different Mini than I do because removing the bottom cover didn't drop my temps anywhere near 20C or 68F.
    That would be significant enough to not have to add any further cooling.

    For me I believe it's going to be thermal paste and call it a day.
     
  17. chrfr macrumors 603

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    I suppose if you take the bottom off and stick a giant noisy fan under there, it'd be cooler.
     
  18. AlexMaximus macrumors 6502

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    The most elegant mod

    The best mini cooling mod I know is to buy the H-Squared Mini Mount.

    Its a nice wall mount, that replaces the original black base. The wall mount plate offers more space and can be modified with a dremel tool. With a small milling tool, you can create cooling sections in the bottom plate and use black filter material to prevent dust. There was a great picture here on the forum somewhere for this solution, but I cant find it anymore.
     
  19. FantomXR thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thanks for your replies!

    I've ended up with opening the mac mini and replacing the old thermal paste with new one. When I reinstalled the mac, I made a hole into the wood and placed a 120mm fan into it. This one blows out of the case (sucks the air from mini, which was a mistake...). I had a wrong information about the fan, which runs inside the mac. I thought it draws the air into the mini. I did remove the bottom cover too.

    The result: I have a temperature drop of 10-15° without using the installed 120mm fan. When I switch on the fan, the temps are rising and the build in fan of the mac slows down a bit. I assume, that this is caused by the airflow from the mac out of the enclosure. The next step would be, to turn the 120mm fan so it blows inside the case. But for now I'm pretty happy with temperatures. I'm far below 80°.
     
  20. wwohl macrumors regular

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    I haven't seen any temperature changes from taking the cover off, standing the mini on edge or providing additional fans around it

    The CPU is under the fan and cowling. The air is ducted towards it and no fan blowing on the mini, cover or not is likely to change that. Leave it alone
     
  21. The-Pro macrumors 65816

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    Well the internal fan sucks in air from around the bottoms cover. Taking it off and standing the mini on its side lets the fan get a lot more air aswell as stopping and heat from being trapped inside the case.
    All I can say is I have tested it with my 2010 and 2011 minis and both saw CPU temperature lowering 10-20°C at full CPU load. The fan also stopped running at full speed.
    Thats just my experience but I am not the only one. There is a thread somewhere on this forum and many people have seen big temperature drops taking the bottom cover off and standing the mini on its side.

    BTW, the same technically goes for the cMBP's. I took the bottom case of my 2010 and 2012 15" model and propped them up on some non conductive styrofoam blocks. When I was doing my renderings, full CPU usage, the temperatures didnt go above 80°C with fans spinning at 4400rpm. With the bottom case back on the temperatures were 98-103° with fans at 6200rpm.
    That was just out of interest as using the MBPs without the bottom case would be rather stupid.
     
  22. fhall1 macrumors 68040

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    Lowering your temp BY (not TO) 20 degrees C does not lower your temp by 68 degrees F - more like about 36 degrees F
     
  23. Dizzler macrumors regular

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    Fanless Mini

    Here's another vote for the older Mini with the external power supply. No fans. Stays cool all the time . . . and silent. I sure wish Apple would make these again.
     
  24. chrfr macrumors 603

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    There is a fan inside the old Mini too. They make noise when hot enough.
     

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