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Ahh! Tiger, come SOON!!
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Lacero said:
no tiger was previewed at WWDC 2004, where developers got a preview versions of the OS, not even a beta form, which followed a few months later, and has been followed by several seeds subsequently. So tiger should be rather stable from the get-go if you ask me because apple is taking their time putting it out, i think they are going to make sure its solid when its released, something they might not have done with Panther
Nobody knows the number it'll get, but what is known is that the first truly 64-bit Mac OS X won't appear until at least one year after every Mac Apple sells has at least a G5-class processor in it.Platform said:So when will the first 64Bit OS come out OS 11
And what will the 64Bit at the UNIX level do good
Having 64-bit support at the UNIX level helps scientists that make clusters of XServes and need 64-bit capabilities (such as the people behind the Virginia Tech cluster). 64-bitness hasn't become an absolute requirement for mainstream use yet (and won't until computers come with more than 4GB of RAM standard); therefore, there's no need for a truly 64-bit Mac OS X when the vast majority of applications will be staying 32-bit and the PowerPC G5 handles 32-bit and 64-bit applications equally well.
I can't wait for the Tiger Apple Installer app, to replace the piecemeal-incomplete Installer that's part of Panther.
In fact, Apple should backport the installer to Panther, so people don't have to buy a $100+ OS upgrade just to use the Tiger Installer, just to install a program that runs fine in Panther. For now I guess it's Loki_setup for Jaguar devs... =(
In fact, Apple should backport the installer to Panther, so people don't have to buy a $100+ OS upgrade just to use the Tiger Installer, just to install a program that runs fine in Panther. For now I guess it's Loki_setup for Jaguar devs... =(
What's new in the installer app? Are there notes in the ADC section, or would you mind sharing?
-Chase
-Chase
My 2 cents worth.
Nup. That's a Monday, and developers get their GM before the public. And the OS is always released on a Friday at 6pm, so that would be Fri 10th June.
It's my bet that it is released this day. If my memory serves me at all, the OS's have always been confirmed for release at the WWDC.
mateft said:
Nup. That's a Monday, and developers get their GM before the public. And the OS is always released on a Friday at 6pm, so that would be Fri 10th June.
It's my bet that it is released this day. If my memory serves me at all, the OS's have always been confirmed for release at the WWDC.
Platform said:So when will the first 64Bit OS come out OS 11
And what will the 64Bit at the UNIX level do good
Something tells me that 10.5 or 10.6 will bring in 64bit to the core.
Why do I say this, since 10.4 is laying the road map for 64bit as is the G5. Transitions as these do not happen overnight or even over the course of a year or two. And considering that Apple OS dev team is moving into longer release cycles is a fair prediction that this holds true. Some Apple apps already are released with Tiger components and will activate when run with Tiger, as of now they stay dormant.
Apple has no real reason to change its marketing to OS 11, when OS X seems to be well know and doing well for now.
You're right about release confirmations at WWDC. However, Mac OS X versions have historically been released on the 24th of a given month, but only when the 24th falls on a Friday - meaning June 24, 2005 is the release date, and June 10, 2005 is the day Apple puts up the countdown page.fisious said:
maya said:Something tells me that 10.5 or 10.6 will bring in 64bit to the core.
Why do I say this, since 10.4 is laying the road map for 64bit as is the G5. Transitions as these do not happen overnight or even over the course of a year or two. And considering that Apple OS dev team is moving into longer release cycles is a fair prediction that this holds true. Some Apple apps already are released with Tiger components and will activate when run with Tiger, as of now they stay dormant.
Apple has no real reason to change its marketing to OS 11, when OS X seems to be well know and doing well for now.
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Well guess you are right about that, but if 10.5 would be 64Bit would it be bad to buy a G4 now opr will the G4 also be able to run a 64Bit OS but just with less features like core image
Somehow I think making everything 64-bit ready won't come until Mac OS X 10.6. Apple would never exclude users of G4-class and earlier machines from running the latest Mac OS X (maybe without some of the features, but it would still run) until some time (3 years?) after Apple has sold the last machine in that class. I'm basing my guess of 3 years on how long the original G3 machines were officially supported by Apple for running Mac OS X (the ones that lacked USB ports). Assuming Apple moves to an 18-month Mac OS X release cycle, that would put full 64-bit support 2 updates after Tiger's release, which corresponds to Mac OS X 10.6.maya said:
link92 said:
No way they'd have one. Seeing the development on Tiger isn't done, and Panther is still being updated, I think their OS team is swamped. I don't even think a name has been thought of for 10.5, let alone the feature set.
-Chase
There's no firmware as such in the G4 chip. The Mac it's in has firmware, but not the chip. Making those kinds of changes ALWAYS requires a new design.Platform said:I have heard that they might be working on 64Bit extension's for the G4 but would that be a whole new re-design or could it be done with firmware updates
If it was easy to open a PowerBook and swap out the processor or the PowerBook had the equivalent of a Processor Direct Slot (PDS) that older Macs had, this would have been done by now. Since neither of those is the case...Platform said:Thanks.
Will there be CPU upgrades for laptop in the future (Al models)
So that you could change an "old" G4 to a new (possibly) with a 64Bit extension like the P4 that work's on the same slot
This is true of ALL PowerBooks Apple's ever released, I believe.
What features will you get by making Mac OS a 64-bit operating system only? As far as I can tell there are none. Mac OS X as it currently (10.3/10.4) stands handles 64-bit applications. handles large file systems and large files as well as more than 4GB of memory. It sounds like the OS doesn't need to be fully 64-bit for all the applications to get the benefit of running on a 64-bit processor.wrldwzrd89 said:
Also, since 64-bit versions of 32-bit programs require more memory, they run a little bit slower for the extra memory accesses. As long as the bulk of Max OS X being 32-bit doesn't hamper 64-bit applications, why waste the energy and time and money to make the whole OS 64-bit? As well as the additional disk space that would require.
As long as the processors Apple will be getting supports 32-bit and 64-bit apps the way the G5 does, there is no reason to make any application 64-bit that doesn't need the 64-bit features. Doing that will leave more system resources for programs that need them.
In any case, Apple would need to wait a least 3 to 5 years from the last sale date of any 32-bit only processors before they could introduce a 64-bit only OS. And they will have to do updates to the last 32-bit operating system for 5 years (at least) after it was released. Those are the timeframes required by those playing in the business space.
Of course this is not the first thread speculating when Mac OS will go totally 64-bit (and probably won't be the last either.)
Good point Bear. Remember, everyone, that PPC is not like x86 - PPC was designed to be 64-bit ready from the get-go, so it wouldn't need significant modifications to go 64-bit. This is evidenced in the G5 - most of the changes made to it relative to the G4 had nothing to do with 64-bit capabilities.Bear said:
rendezvouscp said:
Apple leapfrogs their OS teams. The same group that is releasing tiger released jaguar, and the same group that released panther released 10.1 (puma was it, or what? i dont remember off top) so technically they very well could have a 10.6 alpha demo at wwdc, but i would be understating to say they won't.
dotdotdot said:
Look at the bottom of my signature to see what happened. Thats right - I will not own my first mac until after Tiger is released!!!
AHHH!!! TIGER COME NOW!!!!
Just needed to say this...
...and also needed to say, when does Q1 of 2005 end? When was Tiger supposed to be released? Q1?
I can't wait myself. I was really hoping April 14th. But looks like it's becoming less of a possibility. With news of OpenGL updates, Amazon's July release date, and many more "evidence", Tiger might not be released for another 3 months.
Lacero said:
Yeah, it does look like just before wwdc...shame really. But heres hoping they get it right with no bugs.