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groovebuster said:
Hmmm... so you think that as a German I don't have the right to criticise nationalism the way I did, because of the german history 60 years ago, which I don't have anything to do with? And in the next sentence you say that nationalism is so 20th century?

I'm sorry when you didn't get my last posting, but I thought I made clear that I don't give a damn about nationalism. It wasn't me who started that Boeing is in the lead BS (btw, Böing was an immigrant from Germany, just mentioning it, even though I don't really care) and talking about military aircraft. And as far as I can recall history of the last 50 years I don't think that Germany was involved in any attacks on other countries... and what we were talking about is the present, not the past. And again, I wanted to talk about a civil aircraft in this thread: the A380!

Peace.

groovebuster

And I seem to recall NASA was built on German Rocket Scientists after the war.
 
groovebuster said:
Hmmm... so you think that as a German I don't have the right to criticise nationalism the way I did, because of the german history 60 years ago, which I don't have anything to do with? And in the next sentence you say that nationalism is so 20th century?

I'm sorry when you didn't get my last posting, but I thought I made clear that I don't give a damn about nationalism. It wasn't me who started that Boeing is in the lead BS (btw, Böing was an immigrant from Germany, just mentioning it, even though I don't really care) and talking about military aircraft. And as far as I can recall history of the last 50 years I don't think that Germany was involved in any attacks on other countries... and what we were talking about is the present, not the past. And again, I wanted to talk about a civil aircraft in this thread: the A380!

Peace.

groovebuster

Sure thing, as a German you have every right to criticize nationalism, war, film or anything else, as does anyone. I was just hinting at the nationalist sentiment behind the punch you made about American destruction -- and went on to quote Tristan to highlight the absurdity of current nationalist tendencies. (I'd be more likely to say that nationalism was beat to death in the 19th century...)

As per the other posts about Airbus' success and the rise or decline of Europe/America. It's Airbus -- a company -- who makes the great planes. Europe doesn't make the A320, Airbus does, and they're a damn fine company. I certainly wouldn't say that America's the best and only getting better just because Apple makes the best computers (and OS..) and is only gaining more marketshare!

Anyway, what a mucky sidetrack from a great plane, the A380! I will say that recently I few on one of SwissAir's new A340's (I think) and it was the best flight I've been on. They put a lot of work into redesigning the interior, including lay-flat seats for business class, and even the coach seating was the best I've seen: Loads of room, great recline to the seats, and big screens. The flight was smooth as butter and the pressure in the plane was very constant, no ear popping at all! If that's any indication, I'm all for flying in a new Airbus whenever I get the chance. Hmm... Won't that be funny when you search for flights based on what plane you want to fly!
 
crazzyeddie said:
The Titanic of the sky anyone?! :eek:

It was my first thought too. I'm not normally so dark, and I love technology, but man if one of these goes down it takes almost 1,000 people with it. And remember, the NEVER DID find those 1,000 missing stinger missles in Iraq.
I like the military strategy of more/smaller/cheaper. Same goes for civil aviation.
 
tristan said:
I'm all for faster trains, but realistically they're only for short haul transportation.
I'll be happy when they get these kittens in the channel tunnel. Imagine the ride quality - no turbulence, no bumpy takeoff and landing, no noise to speak of... sorted.

Wouldn't it be nice if our rail operators had the kind of money to invest in Maglev, hm? Sigh. I could get Nottingham-Canterbury in an hour, instead of six!
 
TheMac19 said:
It's Airbus -- a company -- who makes the great planes. Europe doesn't make the A320, Airbus does, and they're a damn fine company. I certainly wouldn't say that America's the best and only getting better just because Apple makes the best computers (and OS..) and is only gaining more marketshare!
Exactly... it is a company. And I also don't care if it is european or from Mars. So I guess it was just a misunderstanding.

groovebuster
 
I wouldn't trust flying in one!!

I know someone who works on desigining bits of it, and he reserves his judgement of it until further testing is done!
 
brap said:
I'll be happy when they get these kittens in the channel tunnel. Imagine the ride quality - no turbulence, no bumpy takeoff and landing, no noise to speak of... sorted.

Wouldn't it be nice if our rail operators had the kind of money to invest in Maglev, hm? Sigh. I could get Nottingham-Canterbury in an hour, instead of six!

has anybody here ever ridden a maglev train? it must be so cool!
 
I hear Ryanair has ordered a few :D

In fact, the're gonna remove the seats and replace them wiith terraces, so they can cram in 1500 people in! They're gonna use them on a shuttle service from Southend to Ibiza, Ayia Napa, and the parts of Greece that fill with lobster coloured Brits every July.

Well, whadya want for GPB 20 return?
 
geese said:
I hear Ryanair has ordered a few :D

In fact, the're gonna remove the seats and replace them wiith terraces, so they can cram in 1500 people in! They're gonna use them on a shuttle service from Southend to Ibiza, Ayia Napa, and the parts of Greece that fill with lobster coloured Brits every July.

Well, whadya want for GPB 20 return?
Pff... bw... bwahahahahahahaha!

New Burberry plaid terrrace design, guaranteed to be an instant hit! Let's just hope the calls of dubious reliability are true, eh?
 
bartelby said:
I wouldn't trust flying in one!!

I know someone who works on desigining bits of it, and he reserves his judgement of it until further testing is done!

The real test comes with time. Some examples of aircraft that showed problems after "flight hours" are: the Comet airliner and the C5.
 
Chip NoVaMac said:
The real test comes with time. Some examples of aircraft that showed problems after "flight hours" are: the Comet airliner and the C5.

Truth be told, all aircraft have "teething pains." You simply can't design something that complex, and test all of the possiblities that it will encounter.

The trick is to catch the big issues before they cause something, uh, unpleasant.
 
bubbamac said:
Truth be told, all aircraft have "teething pains." You simply can't design something that complex, and test all of the possiblities that it will encounter.

The trick is to catch the big issues before they cause something, uh, unpleasant.

True, but I was referring to unforeseen design "flaws".
 
bubbamac said:
Truth be told, all aircraft have "teething pains." You simply can't design something that complex, and test all of the possiblities that it will encounter.

I don't know... I saw a Nova on the making of the 777 (designed completely on computer). Boeing farmed out different components to Australia and Japan. When it went together, there just weren't any issues. Not that I'm blind to any limitations technology sure has, but these guys have had decades of experience on what works and what doesn't. It's not like designing the FIRST airplanes! So if they have teething pains, I hope it has something to do with, say, the little TV's in the headrests. But point taken.
 
groovebuster said:
... especially when building a plane that size the only thing you care about is: efficiency! There is no room for making it more pretty.

groovebuster

The world most beautiful passenger airplane the A330 (proberly at least i think so, looks like a real bird :D )
 
groovebuster said:
But there are two reasons why they didn't do that.

a) The aerodynamics are better and the noise level in the cockpit is lower.

b) Pilots rated for A330/A340 also can fly this puppy since the cockpit has the same height over ground and taxiing and flying this monster is not much different to the other airbuses. So it saves the airlines money.

So it is all about function.

groovebuster

The biggest reason for having the cokpit at the first deck is that with the 747 was meant to be an transporter so it needed the big space to load cargo.
But to land a thing like that is a lot more "anoying" becasue you don't have the same kind of visability.

The A330 pilot have to go trough a bigger course to fly the 380 because quad engines and new fuel systems+ the 340 people also have to take a bigger course than from 330-340 becasue it is so big ;)
 
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