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The latency is too high for gaming, unless you are planning on wiring them.

So far no games have been mentioned and the spatial audio feature only works on Apple devices.

Why would you think they are not designed for stereo ? 🤨

You can wire them?
 
That case thing is hideous. Even the headphones, while not bad, seem un-Apple. Really concerned about Apple's design direction with Jony gone. He got flack with wanting to make thinner iPhones, but his designs were stunning.
A- I’d instantly trade 2mm more in thickness for significantly more useful power in an iPhone. I’m not looking for a phone the thickness of a sheet of paper after all.
B- I feel people with a cold-heart like Tim in command, Apple is a fraction of what it was with awesome creative people in the command path. Bean-counters should be kept away from the controls.
C- damn I miss Steve.
 
A- I’d instantly trade 2mm more in thickness for significantly more useful power in an iPhone. I’m not looking for a phone the thickness of a sheet of paper after all.
B- I feel people with a cold-heart like Tim in command, Apple is a fraction of what it was with awesome creative people in the command path. Bean-counters should be kept away from the controls.
C- damn I miss Steve.

Steve counted beans as well. He groomed Cook. He simply was more of an ***** if he personally thought it was crap. Cook seems more hands off.
 
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So, as I said, I was not defending the case, I DO want and will get a better case for traveling for better protection. I AM concerned about jamming things in around it in my pack. Just like I am with my iPad or laptop. I am very very clear on that. And until I get that better case, I will find other ways to take care of it.

But, this is the case we have today. I tend to be a realist and try to figure out how to make things work for me rather than rant about what they are not. Seriously what will ranting get me TODAY? I am NOT going to wait for a potential improvement from Apple on a gen 2 that may or many not be 2 years out. For me, the Max is good enough as is, TODAY. And the case that is provided? Does protect from scratches sitting on my desk from casual abuse. Are there still exposed surfaces on the edges? yes. Is it likely I am going to have something pinpoint those exposed surfaces and cause damage without being deflected by the major portion being covered? nope. Shrugs. So get behind it? doesn't matter if I do or don't. it is what it is. I own the Max. Move forward.

My guess is, like a lot of MR, the many of those calling the case a major fail have zero intention on buying the Max and are looking for a reason not to (besides price lol) or just a reason to pick it apart. Whatever. I fully accept that like my other devices I will take on the additional cost of finding the case that suits me.
It's great that you only leave them on your desk but a lot of people like to toss these into backpacks and what not. The reason to rant is that hopefully customers make enough noise so they do make a better case down the line. Why should people accept a mediocre case when paying $550 for high end headphones?

I think the worse part about the case other than it looks awful IMO, is you need to put your headphones in it to turn them off. If it was a charging case totally makes sense, like the rest of the airpods line, but it ain't. Hopefully if you're getting another aftermarket case it at least has the ability to turn off the headphones otherwise putting them in a case and another case. Ugh.

Based on the recent reviews I've seen I'd actually consider buying a pair but probably wait till next gen or at least a year or two. I'm not travelling any time soon so I don't really need over ears noise cancelling cans and still have beats studios if really I do.
 
It's great that you only leave them on your desk but a lot of people like to toss these into backpacks and what not. The reason to rant is that hopefully customers make enough noise so they do make a better case down the line. Why should people accept a mediocre case when paying $550 for high end headphones?

I think the worse part about the case other than it looks awful IMO, is you need to put your headphones in it to turn them off. If it was a charging case totally makes sense, like the rest of the airpods line, but it ain't. Hopefully if you're getting another aftermarket case it at least has the ability to turn off the headphones otherwise putting them in a case and another case. Ugh.

Based on the recent reviews I've seen I'd actually consider buying a pair but probably wait till next gen or at least a year or two. I'm not travelling any time soon so I don't really need over ears noise cancelling cans and still have beats studios if really I do.

I’m liking mine so far. Case does suck. Sound quality is as at least as good as other $500 headphones I own. H1 features work great.
 
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I’m liking mine so far. Case does suck. Sound quality is as at least as good as other $500 headphones I own. H1 features work great.
Small thing for me, I’m used to grasping my earcups vertically to adjust them, and with these, that means I hit the buttons the first few times... minor adjustment there. :) Also, going from wireless to wired iwhile wearing them s a bit harder because a 3.5mm port is easier to find and hit by feeling than the lightning port. However, I’m thinking that just takes a little learning, too. And, I THOUGHT I was going to have to reverse the direction of the Digital Crown for increasing volume, but increasing it by turning it to the left (by scrolling the rear edge of the crown) feels more intuitive.
 
I have the QC 35 also...they aren’t great besides the ANC, which I’d say is matched about 90% by the airpods pro. The only difference is likely the Bose are over ear and block more sound physically.

Bottom line is you will pay a lot for that last 10%. It’s true in TVs, cars, speakers, etc.

I challenge the average person to discern the difference in a world world picture of an OLED TV, QLED, and LED. Some people can tell, most can’t.

On the other hand, A Kia is 90% of a BMW in that it has 4 wheels and gets you from point A to point B. The Kia even has air conditioning, leather seats, Bluetooth and navigation...buts it’s still a Kia and I don’t want it. Others won’t care.
I got the Bose for 2 reasons: Comfort and ANC. At times I wear my headphones 4-8 hours a day, and because I am on the move a lot, I need to be able to shut out everything around me to focus on what I'm working on.
The sound is definitely better than my previous headphones, but I am sure other headphones have better sound. But the actual sound quality wasn't the most important for me.
Another thing that's important is the portability, and I really like the QC 35 case. The Bose 700 don't even fold like these.
 
Small thing for me, I’m used to grasping my earcups vertically to adjust them, and with these, that means I hit the buttons the first few times... minor adjustment there. :) Also, going from wireless to wired iwhile wearing them s a bit harder because a 3.5mm port is easier to find and hit by feeling than the lightning port. However, I’m thinking that just takes a little learning, too. And, I THOUGHT I was going to have to reverse the direction of the Digital Crown for increasing volume, but increasing it by turning it to the left (by scrolling the rear edge of the crown) feels more intuitive.

I did reverse the direction of the crown. And I only hit it by accident once :)
 
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I did reverse the direction of the crown. And I only hit it by accident once :)
I haven’t found the weight to be a problem, either. I wore them for several hours on the first day just going through my music library and some videos. Even spent some time with them on reclined and, other than shifting the headband slightly, they were still quite comfortable.
 
This is hilariously incorrect. The people that buy high end headphones would NEVER pay $550 for bluetooth headphones that don't even give the option of use with a cable. This isn't for the "people that buy high end headphones". This is for the people who care what other people think and don't care about sound quality.
Well, wait a second.... The statement isn't "hilariously incorrect", it just doesn't make any mention of bluetooth. I agree that all the sticker shock flying around is a bit naive (there's definitely a troll contingent that finds the "overpriced" narrative irresistible). Anybody who has done their research will know that $550 isn't outrageously expensive for headphones these days.
However, I absolutely take your point on bluetooth-only headphones being a stumbling block for the high-end buyer. Personally, I love the idea of having bluetooth headphones, but I've stayed away so far (except for earbuds, of course—which I rarely use). This is a good article on the bluetooth issue:


Mind you, it is still up to the listener to decide what sounds good to them. Also, I don't think it's clear yet (happy to be corrected) what Apple's "computational audio" might be able to do to improve things. I know, for example, that it's possible to "super res" images using machine learning, so perhaps Apple is able to do something similar with audio?... No idea... (From what I understand, computational audio is mostly concerned with tuning the response to the user.)
 
However, I absolutely take your point on bluetooth-only headphones being a stumbling block for the high-end buyer. Personally, I love the idea of having bluetooth headphones, but I've stayed away so far (except for earbuds, of course—which I rarely use). This is a good article on the bluetooth issue:
AirPods Max aren’t bluetooth only, though.
 
Summary:

Fashionistas: This is a hit. Impractical stilettos, anyone?
Function-first Folk: This is a miss.
 
AirPods Max aren’t bluetooth only, though.
Oh, of course, I remember seeing the port mentioned, but didn't realize you could use it for wired audio. Thanks for clarifying! This article also clarifies things a bit further:


...and also mentions that the sound is "noticeably better", which is not super surprising. I wonder how they'd compare to other studio reference headphones in their price range, like the Adam SP-5, Beyer DT 1770 PRO, or Shure SRH1540s... ??

(As a composer/musician I am most interested in reference headphones, not normal/casual listening, so that's a bias of mine.)
 
Mine are on the way... But I was wondering, Sony released the XM4s and a week later there on sale for $278 at many locations, down from the list of $349.

Did Sony know the price of APM ahead of time and drop the price of there Flagship product to roughly half, to make the contrast more evident?

I’m gonna compare the APM’s to my XM4s, and decide which one to pick.

Coachingguy
 
...and also mentions that the sound is "noticeably better", which is not super surprising. I wonder how they'd compare to other studio reference headphones in their price range, like the Adam SP-5, Beyer DT 1770 PRO, or Shure SRH1540s... ??

(As a composer/musician I am most interested in reference headphones, not normal/casual listening, so that's a bias of mine.)
So, I thought I heard a difference. Not being a deeply audio focused person, I was surprised that I could tell the difference.
 
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Oh, of course, I remember seeing the port mentioned, but didn't realize you could use it for wired audio. Thanks for clarifying! This article also clarifies things a bit further:


...and also mentions that the sound is "noticeably better", which is not super surprising. I wonder how they'd compare to other studio reference headphones in their price range, like the Adam SP-5, Beyer DT 1770 PRO, or Shure SRH1540s... ??

(As a composer/musician I am most interested in reference headphones, not normal/casual listening, so that's a bias of mine.)
The wired option might have even worse SQ though. Does not it rely on a $17 ADC built in to the cable? Not an audiophile material.
 
The wired option might have even worse SQ though. Does not it rely on a $17 ADC built in to the cable? Not an audiophile material.
Hmm... I would assume it would just be sending data along the cable (so no need for a ADC in the cable) to avoid the bluetooth codec, but not really sure.
 
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