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I didn't know they were available to order until the next day! ACK! Ours are coming Jan 30th.... poop

Same thing with me. Got 1/30/17 as the delivery date as well. I am thinking about trying to get one in the Apple store. I see that it looks like they will have the "Pick up in store" option. I am wondering if that option will go live tomorrow, and if so, when it is likely to do that???
 
Yes essentially but you can use Siri if you hate yourself enough to waste your time with that!

I assume you're alluding to some kind of in ear virtual assistant like something from the movie "Her"? Honestly that ignores the fact that Siri is terrible and that Apples development of it is glacial.

Five years to get an SDK out for it, thats almost funny when you consider that Amazon had a developer kit out for Alexa almost from day one.

Theres no paradigm shift here, if there was there is every liklihood that Apple would get beaten to the punch with it.
Alexa is kinda dead in the water because Amazon has practically no ecosystem to take advantage of that. I mean, I can use Siri to hail an Uber when I am outdoors. What device does Amazon have to let me do that, especially when I am not residing in the US?

Siri has improved a fair bit and is quite useable today. I am already using Siri a fair bit these days and have become less self-conscious about invoking Siri in public (especially now that I have an Apple Watch).

To be fair, I haven't seen the movie "Her", but yeah, the idea is with a pair of wireless Airpods constantly in your ears, it gives you constant access to Siri, thereby increasing the likelihood of people using Siri by reducing the friction it takes to invoke her.
 
When I picture these airpods, it reminds me of a certain scene from "There's Something About Mary." After visualizing that, I could never wear these.
 
So are these Airbuds basically the same design and ergos as the cheap set that Apple throws into every iPhone and iPod box? Literally the most uncomfortable pieces of plastic one can shove in their ears, that continually fall out with the slightest bodily movement, not to mention awful sound? But just wireless?
No, not according to people who have them.
 
So are these Airbuds basically the same design and ergos as the cheap set that Apple throws into every iPhone and iPod box? Literally the most uncomfortable pieces of plastic one can shove in their ears, that continually fall out with the slightest bodily movement, not to mention awful sound? But just wireless?

Nope.
Nice try though.
 
Alexa is kinda dead in the water because Amazon has practically no ecosystem to take advantage of that.

You couldn't be more wrong. Amazon has got exactly the ecosystem to take advantage of it

The Echo is already miles ahead of anything Apple is doing in terms of home automation and is backed by Amazons cloud business, again far and away ahead of anything Apple is doing in that space. The Echo allows the user to shop using voice commands and have the items delivered to their door.

No amount of apps on the App Store or movies on iTunes are going to help them in this market. It was a great value add for mobile but it makes no difference here. The big players the Spotifys, the Ubers they will all be present on Amazons service.

I mean, I can use Siri to hail an Uber when I am outdoors. What device does Amazon have to let me do that, especially when I am not residing in the US?

The Echo can be used to hail an Uber. While outdoors why wouldn't you use your phone rather than pay $160 for some awkward looking wireless earbuds to do it? Its a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Siri has improved a fair bit and is quite useable today. I am already using Siri a fair bit these days and have become less self-conscious about invoking Siri in public (especially now that I have an Apple Watch).

To be fair, I haven't seen the movie "Her", but yeah, the idea is with a pair of wireless Airpods constantly in your ears, it gives you constant access to Siri, thereby increasing the likelihood of people using Siri by reducing the friction it takes to invoke her.


Honestly at the pace Apple moves with these things I think its more likely that an Amazon or a Google or somebody else comes along and eats their lunch.

When you see the strides that Amazon have made with Alexa since releasing the Echo only two years ago and bear in mind Amazon aren't particularly even a technology company, that isn't their core business, it is absolutely embarrassing the state Siri is in after five years on the market. Theres no reason to believe Apple are going to be at the forefront of voice based AI.

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There have also been people dismissive towards the iPad and think Apple should drop it altogether simply because they don't see a need for it in their lives.

At the end of the day, we don't owe either party everything. I will continue to keep tabs on the products Apple releases, buy those which suit my needs, and skip those which don't.

You won't find me bitching about it here in these forums like what some posters have been wont to do.


Would you believe I find copying and pasting on iOS a breeze compared to a desktop? Thanks to this neat little app called Copied, I can easily save a whole bunch of copied text, then paste them all in at one go.

In fact, I use this app extensively every time I respond to anyone here in this forum (as I favour the Tapatalk app).

As for hardware, there is the Apple Pencil. I am a school teacher, and in the course of my daily lessons, I annotate on a lot on PDFs and word documents and the Apple Pencil offers a really sublime writing experience. It's particularly nice when recording screencasts as well.

The 8mp camera of my iPad Pro has also been fairly handy at times (say what you will about iPad photography). I use it to scan documents, as a makeshift visualiser, even take impromptu photos and videos to insert directly into documents.

It's come to the point where for more than 80% of the tasks I do, I am more comfortable doing those tasks on an iPad than a conventional Mac.

I also love the inbuilt 4g, the long battery life, the simplicity of iOS, and its thinness and lightness.

iPad productivity is a thing. It sometimes requires that you rethink your workflow and get things done in a somewhat atypical manner, but it's very much possible to get things done on iOS.

Well i'm happy for you. You're the customer Apple wants - one who adjusts their workflow to the way Apple forces you to with ios, rather than mac os, which gives the user way more flexibility on how to manage workflows the way they feel suits them best
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You couldn't be more wrong. Amazon has got exactly the ecosystem to take advantage of it

The Echo is already miles ahead of anything Apple is doing in terms of home automation and is backed by Amazons cloud business, again far and away ahead of anything Apple is doing in that space. The Echo allows the user to shop using voice commands and have the items delivered to their door.

No amount of apps on the App Store or movies on iTunes are going to help them in this market. It was a great value add for mobile but it makes no difference here. The big players the Spotifys, the Ubers they will all be present on Amazons service.



The Echo can be used to hail an Uber. While outdoors why wouldn't you use your phone rather than pay $160 for some awkward looking wireless earbuds to do it? Its a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.




Honestly at the pace Apple moves with these things I think its more likely that an Amazon or a Google or somebody else comes along and eats their lunch.

When you see the strides that Amazon have made with Alexa since releasing the Echo only two years ago and bear in mind Amazon aren't particularly even a technology company, that isn't their core business, it is absolutely embarrassing the state Siri is in after five years on the market. Theres no reason to believe Apple are going to be at the forefront of voice based AI.

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Couldnt have
answered him better if I tried. The coolaid is strong with that one. o_O
 
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Mine on Apple showed the 21st but FedEx said the 20th. This morning Apple shows the 20th :)))


SUUPER HAPPY!





After going up for order on Tuesday, Apple's AirPods have now been marked as "shipped" for the first wave of customers who were lucky enough to order their pair before delivery estimates slipped to four weeks, and then six weeks. Many users in the United States, Australia, Canada, Europe, and elsewhere have taken to Twitter and Reddit to share that their AirPods shipments are on the way.

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Delivery dates still vary slightly among customers, but the average estimates suggest deliveries on either December 20 or December 21. AirPods launched in more than 100 countries around the world, and a few areas in Europe and Australia saw slightly earlier delivery dates for the wireless headphones than those given to U.S. customers, with some as soon as Monday, December 19. Australia customers specifically reported shipping status updates earlier in the week.

For anyone who missed out on the first run of orders, Apple will begin selling the AirPods in its retail stores Monday morning. Some of the company's authorized resellers and a few carrier stores will also be receiving AirPods stock next week. Given how fast they sold out online, the supply of AirPods in retail locations is also expected to be limited. Nevertheless, in the press release on Tuesday, Apple said that its retail locations will receive "regular AirPods shipments" going forward.

Article Link: AirPods Now Shipping to Customers Around the World
 
You couldn't be more wrong. Amazon has got exactly the ecosystem to take advantage of it

The Echo is already miles ahead of anything Apple is doing in terms of home automation and is backed by Amazons cloud business, again far and away ahead of anything Apple is doing in that space. The Echo allows the user to shop using voice commands and have the items delivered to their door.

No amount of apps on the App Store or movies on iTunes are going to help them in this market. It was a great value add for mobile but it makes no difference here. The big players the Spotifys, the Ubers they will all be present on Amazons service.

I see the Amazon echo as a lightweight, single-purpose device which sold well, but will ultimately suffer from high abandonment rates and whose functionality will eventually be swallowed by smartphones (Siri for ios and / or Google Now for Android).

The Amazon echo has no future. Not in its current incarnation, at least.

The Echo can be used to hail an Uber. While outdoors why wouldn't you use your phone rather than pay $160 for some awkward looking wireless earbuds to do it? Its a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

I am not buying airpods solely for the purpose of being able to hail an Uber using Siri while outdoors. It's just one of many possible advantages to having Siri at your ear.

At the end of the day, why would I want to fragment my AI experience between Alexa at home and Siri / Google Now outside? Might as well consolidate around one standard, and that's where Alexa ultimately loses out because Amazon has no mobile presence whatsoever.

What exactly is the value add of Amazon's cloud services in this regard?

Honestly at the pace Apple moves with these things I think its more likely that an Amazon or a Google or somebody else comes along and eats their lunch.

When you see the strides that Amazon have made with Alexa since releasing the Echo only two years ago and bear in mind Amazon aren't particularly even a technology company, that isn't their core business, it is absolutely embarrassing the state Siri is in after five years on the market. Theres no reason to believe Apple are going to be at the forefront of voice based AI.
IMO, each company has its own challenges.

Apple's challenge is improving Siri at a quick-enough rate within the constraints of their self-imposed privacy limitations. But otherwise, Apple will have no problems earning from this through their hardware sales (i.e.: more iPhones / Apple watches / iPads / EarPods sold).

Google's challenge is in successfully monetizing their AI services, because Google currently has a very bad record of profitability when it comes to their various investments.

But ultimately, I expect Apple and Google to converge on the same point. They are simply starting from opposite starting points, that's all.

As for Amazon, like I said, they lack a platform to sustain them beyond shopping and cloud services. Likewise, you just raised a very valid point. AI isn't Amazon's core business, so what exactly is the benefit to Amazon here apart from selling more echo devices (they are probably being sold at cost anyways, so profit is minimal) and hoping people will use them to buy more stuff online?

Well i'm happy for you. You're the customer Apple wants - one who adjusts their workflow to the way Apple forces you to with ios, rather than mac os, which gives the user way more flexibility on how to manage workflows the way they feel suits them best

You make it sound like a bad thing.

Truth was the iPad was working better for me than a Mac in my line of work anyways. It was lighter, had longer battery life, the form factor was more convenient, and when I saw AirPlay mirroring being demoed on an Apple TV, I knew there was no going back.

At the end of the day, it's not about iPad vs the MacBook. It's about using the best device for the job, and as a teacher, the iPad simply works better for me than any laptop for the things I want it to do. There are still tasks I prefer to do on my 27” iMac (like working on massive spreadsheets), but I am getting more done on my iOS devices every day.

And if I have to adjust my workflow a little, so be it. Contrast with the Mac, where no amount of finagling will allow me to do on the Mac what I am doing with ease on my iPad.
 
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Truth was the iPad was working better for me than a Mac in my line of work anyways. It was lighter, had longer battery life, the form factor was more convenient, and when I saw AirPlay mirroring being demoed on an Apple TV, I knew there was no going back.

At the end of the day, it's not about iPad vs the MacBook. It's about using the best device for the job, and as a teacher, the iPad simply works better for me than any laptop for the things I want it to do. There are still tasks I prefer to do on my 27” iMac (like working on massive spreadsheets), but I am getting more done on my iOS devices every day.

And if I have to adjust my workflow a little, so be it. Contrast with the Mac, where no amount of finagling will allow me to do on the Mac what I am doing with ease on my iPad.

The MacBook also supports AirPlay Mirroring.
 
I see the Amazon echo as a lightweight, single-purpose device which sold well, but will ultimately suffer from high abandonment rates and whose functionality will eventually be swallowed by smartphones (Siri for ios and / or Google Now for Android).

The Amazon echo has no future. Not in its current incarnation, at least.

Erm can you explain for me how the Echo is "Single purpose" ?

At the end of the day, why would I want to fragment my AI experience between Alexa at home and Siri / Google Now outside? Might as well consolidate around one standard, and that's where Alexa ultimately loses out because Amazon has no mobile presence whatsoever.



What exactly is the value add of Amazon's cloud services in this regard?

Amazon maybe but Google has got the majority market share in mobile. Apple have got some wireless earbuds and a severely limited SDK.

All of Amazons Automatic Speech recognition and Natural Language Understanding is based around their Cloud services. The cloud services are also a value add to the consumer in terms of storage. Prime members get unlimited photo storage and free free access to Prime Music which allows users to upload their music library to the cloud.

Meanwhile Apple are still offering up an measly 5gb of free iCloud storage. Granted Apple have equivalent services iTunes Match, iCloud Photo Library but by time you had subscribed to them all and bought the hardware it would've cost a fortune.

In the UK 2tb iCloud Storage and iTunes Match subscriptions is around £220 a year!

Apple are so far behind Google (also offering unlimited photo storage) and Amazon on this stuff its untrue.

Apple's challenge is improving Siri at a quick-enough rate within the constraints of their self-imposed privacy limitations. But otherwise, Apple will have no problems earning from this through their hardware sales (i.e.: more iPhones / Apple watches / iPads / EarPods sold).

Google's challenge is in successfully monetizing their AI services, because Google currently has a very bad record of profitability when it comes to their various investments.

But ultimately, I expect Apple and Google to converge on the same point. They are simply starting from opposite starting points, that's all.

As for Amazon, like I said, they lack a platform to sustain them beyond shopping and cloud services. Likewise, you just raised a very valid point. AI isn't Amazon's core business, so what exactly is the benefit to Amazon here apart from selling more echo devices (they are probably being sold at cost anyways, so profit is minimal) and hoping people will use them to buy more stuff online?

I don't think Google is too worried about monetizing the Cloud/AI it has earned them around $4 billion this year.

AI is a part of Amazons core business it is all a part of AWS, they just aren't a technology company per se which makes it even more startling that they seem to be miles ahead of Apple with some of this stuff.

Why should the customer care about how much profit is made out of a device? Do you feel like you're getting a better experience with your iPhone because Apple are making a huge margin? It isn't as if Amazon are going anywhere. This is exactly Apples problem they are so busy trying to wring more out of the customer with every transaction that the value proposition dwindles. 5gb of free storage in 2016, seriously?
 
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I still cannot understand why anyone would buy these as they are substantially inferior in sound compared to most other wireless earbuds.

Not only that, they are a heck of a lot more expensive too!

Plus you can lose them!

And then pay an additional $70 to replace one! Ridiculous.

It just boggles me. I have the Jaybird X2's which I got for $80 and they've been serving me incredibly well with exceptional sound, and they have a band around both earpieces so you don't lose them.


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This is how the AirPods should've been, Apple.

No thanks. Keep your Wired wireless headphones lol just cause some people are careless or shatter their screens doesn't mean we all are.

I've never shattered an iPhone screen so don't use cases. I haven't lost a iPhone headset so won't be losing these either. I've had nearly every iPhone except the 3GS since 08.

The airpods is exactly how I want wireless headphones to be and a case that charges them yet being so small is perfect for me.
 
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I'll be paying attention to reviews from runners. I've hated in these things (I still think they look stupid, but so do I when I run so whatever). Just not willing to drop this kind of cash if there's a good chance I lose it down a storm drain.
 
Wow you are a big apple fan for sure. A wire can prevent it from being lost when you are jogging. And the earpod doesnt fit in my ears, with a little to no movement it often falls off my ears so if the airpods size is still the same as the current earpods i believe i will lose it when i run in the morning.

An Apple fan on Macrumors? You don't say. You don't even buy these if the average EarPods don't fit in your ear (mine fit perfectly, never fall out) so this entire argument is essentially void. Seriously, why would you buy AirPods which are the exact dimensions where it counts as the EarPods if the EarPods never fit you? People like you just have to get the Beats earphones if you want those sweet W1 chip benefits. Simple.
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No thanks. Keep your Wired wireless headphones lol just cause some people are careless or shatter their screens doesn't mean we all are.

I've never shattered an iPhone screen so don't use cases. I haven't lost a iPhone headset so won't be losing these either. I've had nearly every iPhone except the 3GS since 08.

The airpods is exactly how I want wireless headphones to be and a case that charges them yet being so small is perfect for me.

I'm glad at least one person here gets it.
 
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I am interested in knowing how these can work with Apple-TV 4. How do you adjust the volume levels (if it can be used with ATV, that is)? Is it good the experience with the Airpods and ATV 4?
 
I've had the chance to use them.

They sound and fit similar to the earpods, so don't expect much improvement in sound quality.

Huge downside is you can only play/stop songs, there are no controls to skip tracks or change the volume.
 
I've had the chance to use them.

They sound and fit similar to the earpods, so don't expect much improvement in sound quality.

Huge downside is you can only play/stop songs, there are no controls to skip tracks or change the volume.
That is what I can finally use my Apple watch for. Finally have a better use for it. Yay! :)
 
So these things are needed to listen to music on an iPhone 7 without a dongle, and they're only shipping now?
Well done Apple! (slow hand-clap)

I have been listening to music no problems on my iPhone 7+ since the day I got it (Without a dongle). I don't know what you're trying to imply but try to troll better.
 
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