Because you might be too far away from that location such that you cannot easily get there to get it.If Find My directs you to the lost device why would you need someone else to find it and report it?
Because you might be too far away from that location such that you cannot easily get there to get it.If Find My directs you to the lost device why would you need someone else to find it and report it?
Found our snarky apple fanoboi. Also, you seem to speak with authority about the nuances of an unreleased product.Congratulation, you have identified use cases for which AirTags aren't really suited for. Can we move on and rather look at the use cases for a given products instead of trying to list all the things they are not suited for?
And btw, merely bumping the AirTags won't trigger it. They would have to leave the house.
I get that. But it can serve multi use.I think people are missing the point of why the sounds plays. Apple does not want these to be used as surveillance devices to track other people if you can slip one in someone's bag or something like that. The sound will let people know they are being tracked!
Exactley. I want to know how long it works and can I disable the soundok, that sounds like a reasonable system. sometimes i don't use my car for 3 days, but if it doesn't move — this won't be an issue. and i assume there is a way to disable this feature, for instance if i haven't used it, but my wife is going to?
The primary purpose is for stuff you lose (or misplace). If you are close enough, you can pick it up yourself. If somebody else finds it before you get there on your own (or if it is too far away), they can either just keep it safely in their possession until you can pick it up or it gets returned to you by other means. Of course there is always the question whether it is better to try to go and get your object yourself (but possibly leave it lying openly in the street) or mark it as lost and hope that somebody honest picks it up.I was planning on getting these as trackers in the event of theft but as I'm getting more information I'm thinking they're not meant to be used for that?
1. Other people (and the theives) will see the tracker on their iPhone when they get close to my lost item?
2. It will make noises and the theives will find them?
I thought IPhones would pick up the signal in the background and silently and anonymously send the approximate position to my iPhone, but that feature is not available?
The use case for these seem to be based on people being honest and returning lost items and not keeping them for themselves?
Edit: what is the actual purpose of these and what benefit do they offer over just writing down my phone number on a note or sticker and attach/put inside my items?
Actually, in one of the footnotes on the main AirTag page, Apple notes that its one-year estimate is "based on an everyday use of four play sound events and one Precision Finding event per day," so I suspect that most users will get more than one year of battery life.@Apple_Robert Apple gets my benefit of the doubt with regards to battery life. Even of it's about 9 months, that would still be fair.
I also think it's safe to assume that (ab)using the lost mode often will drain the battery more quickly. Especially playing a sound.
You cannot put the battery back in remotely (which is the safest way for the person that wants to disable the tracker). If somebody wants to disable a tracker that they have discovered, there are plenty of ways, from a hammer to a microwave (but if that somebody knows that the battery is removable, they might do that preferentially).I get that. But it can serve multi use.
I just wanna know if the person disables it can I enable it again from my phone?
I'm not sure it will disable the audible sound after three days if another family member is nearby, but Apple notes that you can turn off the iPhone alerts "indefinitely" for AirTags that are registered to other people in your Family Sharing group.The proper solution for this scenario would be to add AirTags to family sharing. But as with almost everything, it normally makes sense to accept a few false positives to reduce false negatives.
You found somebody who is exasperated at people not understanding the basics of how trackers work and not using simple logic to unpack the known behaviour that Apple has informed us about.Found our snarky apple fanoboi. Also, you seem to speak with authority about the nuances of an unreleased product.
Unless the person has an iPhone, in which case they'll find out about it much sooner.Now all the stalkers know they have 3 days! Kinda creepy
Unsurprisingly, Apple has implemented the obvious solution to this problem.I'm not sure it will disable the audible sound after three days if another family member is nearby, but Apple notes that you can turn off the iPhone alerts "indefinitely" for AirTags that are registered to other people in your Family Sharing group.
That's exactly it. Apple has decided that protecting people from stalkers — some of whom could be violent — is far more important than helping people recover stolen items. Things can be replaced. People can't.I think people are missing the point of why the sounds plays. Apple does not want these to be used as surveillance devices to track other people if you can slip one in someone's bag or something like that. The sound will let people know they are being tracked!
I don't see how? Find My for iPhones doesn't let every iPhone user see all iPhones in their surroundings, there is no reason why that would be different for AirTags.Unless the person has an iPhone, in which case they'll find out about it much sooner.
Not exactly. Other people will only see the AirTag on their iPhone if they pick it up and start moving around with it to different locations. The alert is "AirTag Found Moving With You" not merely "AirTag Found." It's a privacy feature designed to prevent people from being stalked by someone else planting an AirTag on them, since if the user has an iPhone you'd basically get real-time tracking through the AirTag much like you could by using Find My Friends (if they were your friend).I was planning on getting these as trackers in the event of theft but as I'm getting more information I'm thinking they're not meant to be used for that?
1. Other people (and the theives) will see the tracker on their iPhone when they get close to my lost item?
2. It will make noises and the theives will find them?
I thought IPhones would pick up the signal in the background and silently and anonymously send the approximate position to my iPhone, but that feature is not available?
Nope, that would prevent the anti-stalking protection (as the stalker obviously wouldn't mark the item as lost and you don't have to mark the item as lost to access its location). AirTags aren't suitable for tracking animals that are in the care of multiple people (unless they can be linked via Family Sharing to that tag) as AirTags are linked to an AppleID and devices linked to that AppleID.I am assuming that the beeping feature will only get activated when you mark the tag stolen but if you leave on vacation and have a tag on your dog or keys or whatever, you can still locate the tag without causing it to beep, like you do now. I can open FindMy and see my daughter's iphone, ipad, airpods on the map but not make a sound. Unless I explicitly make it lost, then it will start beeping. Is my assumption correct?
Your iPhone will show you an "AirTag Found Moving With You" alert if it detects an unknown AirTag travelling with you to different locations. Apple doesn't specify in its support article exactly how quickly this will happen, but it seems to be on the order of hours, not days.I don't see how? Find My for iPhones doesn't let every iPhone user see all iPhones in their surroundings, there is no reason why that would be different for AirTags.
What if I attach one to my bike and it gets stolen? Will nearby iDevices report the location to me silently or will the owners of the nearby iDevices be notified about my tag?Not exactly. Other people will only see the AirTag on their iPhone if they pick it up and start moving around with it to different locations. The alert is "AirTag Found Moving With You" not merely "AirTag Found." It's a privacy feature designed to prevent people from being stalked by someone else planting an AirTag on them, since if the user has an iPhone you'd basically get real-time tracking through the AirTag much like you could by using Find My Friends (if they were your friend).
If it's left where it is, or even if someone picks the item it's attached to up and moves it but puts it back down again, the location is simply reported silently back to Apple from whatever iPhones or other relatively modern Apple devices are in proximity.
A noise will not be made at all until the AirTag has been separated from its owner's iPhone for at least three days. This will only happen if the tag is moved in any way.
You are right, the reported 3-day period was strictly only for the beeping alert. For the 'somebody-is-tracking-you' notification, this has not been specified yet (but almost certainly is also something Apple can still tweak server-side). But that period shouldn't be too short either if one wants a chance to track a stolen item (thieves getting notifications like 'the bag you have stolen has a tracker in it, beware the owner might be tracking you' would reduce the usefulness for this scenario significantly). But of course, the main focus of AirTags is finding stuff yourself or another honest person finding it (not tracking thieves).Your iPhone will show you an "AirTag Found Moving With You" alert if it detects an unknown AirTag travelling with you to different locations. Apple doesn't specify in its support article exactly how quickly this will happen, but it seems to be on the order of hours, not days.
In fact, I suspect it's based on how far you travel with it, rather than how long it's been detected for.
It's much more important for iPhone users to get this notification, since if somebody else plants their AirTag on you, they can basically track you in real-time through your iPhone, since it will be regularly reporting the location of the nearby AirTag.
Notifications only appear if an unrecognized AirTag is moving around with the person to different locations (and the actual owner of it is not also with it).What if I attach one to my bike and it gets stolen? Will nearby iDevices report the location to me silently or will the owners of the nearby iDevices be notified about my tag?
Yup, the text in that support article — particularly the footnote about not being able to play a sound — suggests that it's less than a day: "wait to see if another alert appears as you move from location to location during the day."You are right, the reported 3-day period was strictly only for the beeping alert. For the 'somebody-is-tracking-you' notification, this has not been specified yet (but almost certainly is also something Apple can still tweak server-side).
i'm sure that will be added, same as the apple card is now available in a 'family' set up. my wive hates all these gadgets anyway, so i don't think we'll every run into an issue where she wants to track the car — she'll just call me and have me do itYou can disable any of your AirTags at any time. The question of using them in items (my fingers just typed iTems) that multiple people use (like a car) is certainly a relevant one. Most likely initially those are just things for which AirTags well-suited for (though in future those could be solved by some kind of family ownership of specific AirTags).