Alienware Shipping Ivy Bridge in Notebooks

[Pentad]

Maximum PC is reporting that Alienware/Dell are now shipping IB in their notebooks. You can read the article here.


Edit: Looks like Alienware/Dell estimate shipping to be 5/28-ish.


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[ronjon10]

Gaming rigs have been the first to be released in the past because they were fine using the desktop processors. I don't know if that's the case here though.

 

[mac jones]

Gaming rigs have been the first to be released in the past because they were fine using the desktop processors. I don't know if that's the case here though.

Yeah, that's what I always notice. And there's about a months lag, but at least no more than that (sometimes less).

A good sign at least

 

[yusukeaoki]

I think the Ivy's mobile processor might come out later.

 

[maflynn]

Gaming rigs have been the first to be released in the past because they were fine using the desktop processors. I don't know if that's the case here though.

This is why, Alienware has a long history of using desktop processors in their gaming laptops.

 

[theSeb]

These use mobile Ivy Bridge quad cpus.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5799/alienware-m14x-m17x-and-m18x-now-with-ivy-bridge-and-new-gpus

 

[Pentad]

theSeb beat me to it but:

These IB CPUs are not desktop CPUs. They are Mobile IB.

I would not have posted the link if they were desktop CPUs in Alienware's notebooks. I'm not even sure when the last time Alienware used desktop CPUs in their notebooks....


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[maflynn]

These use mobile Ivy Bridge quad cpus.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5799/alienware-m14x-m17x-and-m18x-now-with-ivy-bridge-and-new-gpus

Interesting, as I stated, in the past Alienware used desktop processors.

 

[Pentad]

Interesting, as I stated, in the past Alienware used desktop processors.

I was surprised you you thought they were desktop CPUs. I haven't seen a desktop CPU in an Alienware notebook for years...

 

[yusukeaoki]

The desktop IB has been reported to have heat problems.
I wouldn't really count on it.

 

[theSeb]

The desktop IB has been reported to have heat problems.
I wouldn't really count on it.

No, it hasn't. What has been reported is:

* Stock it runs cooler and uses less electricity than Sandy Bridge.
* Over-clocked it does indeed run hotter and seems to have stability problems when trying to hit the same frequencies as Sandy Bridge.

Over-clocking is not a concern for potential buyers so spreading FUD does not help.

 

[yusukeaoki]

No, it hasn't. What has been reported is:

* Stock it runs cooler and uses less electricity than Sandy Bridge.
* Over-clocked it does indeed run hotter and seems to have stability problems when trying to hit the same frequencies as Sandy Bridge.

Over-clocking is not a concern for potential buyers so spreading FUD does not help.

The desktop ver has been reported by Japanese users that the material used are cheap for cost down.
This is whats causing the heat.
I dont have the Ivy yet, but Im still concerned about the mobile as well.

 

[theSeb]

The desktop ver has been reported by Japanese users that the material used are cheap for cost down.
This is whats causing the heat.
I dont have the Ivy yet, but Im still concerned about the mobile as well.

Ivy Bridge runs cooler at stock frequencies. Check out the reviews on anandtech and tomshardware.

According to all of the benchmarks that tomshardware ran, ivy bridge 3770K is, on average, 3.7% faster than the 2700K.

Although Core i7-3770K, as one model in Intel’s line-up, is fairly easy for enthusiasts with modern machines to dismiss, don’t take our judgment as a cloud over the Ivy Bridge architecture.

An emphasis on integrated graphics performance and lower thermal design power points makes it clear that Intel is out to conquer smaller form factors like all-in-one desktops and thin/light notebooks.

Faster and uses less power

Anandtech echo this

In turn you get a cooler running CPU than Sandy Bridge (on the order of 20—30W under load), but you do give up a couple hundred MHz on the overclocking side. While I had no issues getting my 3770K up to 4.6GHz on the stock cooler, Sandy Bridge will likely be the better overclocker for most.

These are just two (very respected) review sites. You can find many more that say the same thing. Also, before you start thinking that these sites may be biased, they are the same sites that have pointed out the issues and high temps when over-clocked.

 

[yusukeaoki]

Ivy Bridge runs cooler at stock frequencies. Check out the reviews on anandtech and tomshardware.

According to all of the benchmarks that tomshardware ran, ivy bridge 3770K is, on average, 3.7% faster than the 2700K.



Faster and uses less power

Anandtech echo this



These are just two (very respected) review sites. You can find many more that say the same thing. Also, before you start thinking that these sites may be biased, they are the same sites that have pointed out the issues and high temps when over-clocked.

Im not talking about the CPU itself but the material used.
People been removing the IHS on the Ivy.
Apparently, the materials used are very poor.

 

[theSeb]

You're claiming that Ivy Bridge has over-heating issues. No reputable review site has found this. In fact, they show with repeatable tests that Ivy bridge runs cooler than equivalent Sandy Bridge CPUs at stock frequencies. I am confused.

 

[yusukeaoki]

You're claiming that Ivy Bridge has over-heating issues. No reputable review site has found this. In fact, they show with repeatable tests that Ivy bridge runs cooler than equivalent Sandy Bridge CPUs at stock frequencies. I am confused.

Not over-heating, since if it over-heated, it would shut down.
But a huge heat increase more than 20~30C compared to Sandy on high usage.

 

[theSeb]

Not over-heating, since if it over-heated, it would shut down.
But a huge heat increase more than 20~30C compared to Sandy on high usage.

Yet, every review site says that it runs COOLER than Sandy Bridge during benchmarks (i.e. high usage) and when idle. You're now claiming that it runs 20 to 30 degrees Celsius hotter? Seriously.

The higher heat is ONLY when Ivy Bridge CPUs are OVER-CLOCKED, not when running at stock frequencies.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Intel said the shrink to the 22nm process node leads to higher temperatures due to increased thermal density, adding that "users may observe higher operating temperatures when overclocking". The firm added, "This is as designed and meets quality and reliability expectations for parts operating under specified conditions."
Source: The Inquirer (http://s.tt/1aq3n)

It's pretty simple. Higher heat when over-clocked. Lower heat when running at stock frequencies. People with Apple computers will be running at stock frequencies.

 

[heisenberg123]

is this in the wrong section whats an alienware have to do with macbook pro?

lol 3 down votes, yet my posts are the only one with the word macbook pro in them, but yes this is totally a macbook pro thread

 

[PeopleTheseDays]

is this in the wrong section whats an alienware have to do with macbook pro?

Possible guesstimation of new macbooks by examining other manufacturer's Ivy Bridge rollouts.

 

[A7ibaba]

Yet, every review site says that it runs COOLER than Sandy Bridge during benchmarks (i.e. high usage) and when idle. You're now claiming that it runs 20 to 30 degrees Celsius hotter? Seriously.

The higher heat is ONLY when Ivy Bridge CPUs are OVER-CLOCKED, not when running at stock frequencies.



It's pretty simple. Higher heat when over-clocked. Lower heat when running at stock frequencies. People with Apple computers will be running at stock frequencies.

Maybe u don't understand the part when turbo mode overclocks CPU in needed situation? Thats calling overclocking or turbo 2.0 mode.

 

[heisenberg123]

Possible guesstimation of new macbooks by examining other manufacturer's Ivy Bridge rollouts.

ahhh I see, so the the late 2011's wont be the last MBP

 

[theSeb]

Maybe u don't understand the part when turbo mode overclocks CPU in needed situation? Thats calling overclocking or turbo 2.0 mode.

*facepalm*

Turbo mode and over-clocking as mentioned in the reviews are two different things. They are talking about over-clocking by the user when you change the frequency and voltage in the BIOS. What you're talking about is something completely different and it's called Turbo mode.

At stock frequencies, even with TURBO mode, the IB CPUs run cooler and consume less energy both at idle and high-utilisation.

Under load however the power savings are significant. The Core i7 3770K pulls 27 fewer watts while delivering better performance than the 2600K.

In turn you get a cooler running CPU than Sandy Bridge (on the order of 20—30W under load), but you do give up a couple hundred MHz on the overclocking side.

These two factors combined with some architectural decisions focused on increasing power efficiency result in what many of you may have heard by now: Ivy Bridge won't typically overclock as high as Sandy Bridge on air.

The frequency delta isn't huge. You'll still be able to hit 4.4—4.6GHz without resorting to exotic cooling, but success in the 4.8—5.0GHz range will be limited to water alone for most. Ivy Bridge is also far more sensitive to voltage than Sandy Bridge. Heat dissipation can increase significantly as a function of voltage, so you'll want to stay below 1.3V in your overclocking attempts

Do you not understand what over-clocking is?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5763/undervolting-and-overclocking-on-ivy-bridge

Ivy Bridge gets hot with voltage.

At 4.4GHz, we see that our chip is stable as low as 1.05 volts, which is around the stock voltage for this processor (or in other words, a free 500 MHz overclock). But what we see with increasing voltage is alarming. Temperatures very quickly gets north of 90C if automatic settings are not set at an appropriate level. It could be hazardous for system builders just to go straight to 1.200 volts and set a target speed without monitoring the long term effects (given dust and age, these temperatures may rise).

Given what we know already, it is perhaps unsurprising to see that the CPU at load runs at 77C while only at 3.3GHz in this 1.25 volts test. As we up the CPU speed, the temperature (and power draw) actually rise very slowly. At 4.5GHz, we see the temperature hit 90C, which in my book would be the absolute limit for a daily machine--I would even suggest nothing more than 80C to be safe).

This conclusively proves that if you want the best overclock for your machine, you cannot just choose a relative voltage and see how far it will go at that setting. Overclocking on Ivy Bridge needs to be methodical and done correctly so as to not introduce unnecessary heat into the system.

This brings us to the good news and bad news. The good news is that at stock settings, we have a cool and quiet processor with a nice low power draw. The bad news is that it perhaps will not overclock as well as people think it should. Those wishing for 4.8GHz at 1.4 volts (similar to Sandy Bridge) will run into a lot of issues if they think that 1.4 volts is appropriate for Ivy Bridge. In comparison, you may end up with something more reasonable like 4.6GHz at 1.1 volts, or 4.8GHz at 1.2 volts (as per some boards I have tested). Then it will be a case of deciding whether the small IPC gains that Ivy brings will be worth 200 MHz less on your CPU compared to Sandy Bridge.

 

[A7ibaba]

*facepalm*

Turbo mode and over-clocking as mentioned in the reviews are two different things. They are talking about over-clocking by the user when you change the frequency and voltage in the BIOS. What you're talking about is something completely different and it's called Turbo mode.

At stock frequencies, even with TURBO mode, the IB CPUs run cooler and consume less energy both at idle and high-utilisation.

That's not quite true.

After removing the protection of CPU, a customer discovered that intel did not used its usual high-tech and expensive technique to improve the contact between the CPU and the heatsink, but rather something that looks like the cheap silicon-based thermal paste we can by on our shops... This method is much less efficient than the original Intel one to allow the heat transfer between the CPU and the heatsink. As a consequence, this could explain why Ivy Bridge CPU to heat up much faster than their brother Sandy Bridge.

 

[theSeb]

That's not quite true.

After removing the protection of CPU, a customer discovered that intel did not used its usual high-tech and expensive technique to improve the contact between the CPU and the heatsink, but rather something that looks like the cheap silicon-based thermal paste we can by on our shops... This method is much less efficient than the original Intel one to allow the heat transfer between the CPU and the heatsink. As a consequence, this could explain why Ivy Bridge CPU to heat up much faster than their brother Sandy Bridge.

The problem with quoting is that it's far too easy to take things out of context and at face value. Instead, if you read the whole story, then you will find out that the article is about over-clocking, not about running at stock settings. Every reputable review site has has found via extensive testing that Ivy Bridge runs COOLER than Sandy Bridge at STOCK SETTINGS.

They have also reported that over-clocking = heat, as per my above post full of links and quotes.

 

[A7ibaba]

I really think there is no point to argue further more on irelevant statements who says then and that,and make solid facts on the table and finish this debate because clearly u wont give up atleast for 3 more pages on irelevant discussion.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Intel-Ivy-Bridge-Quad-Core-Processors.73624.0.html

Intel appears to have increased the idle speed from 800 to 1200 MHz, which will presumably impact energy draw. Nevertheless, we ascertained a reproducible increase of approximately 2 watts in all Ivy Bridge models compared with the old i7-2760QM – likely still a BIOS issue or peculiarities of the pre-production CPU. We will examine the upcoming production models closely for confirmation.

And finnaly
However, if you are the owner of a Sandy Bridge notebook, you will likely see little reason to upgrade to Ivy Bridge.