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Did you read the article or just the headline? They are suing Apple for stealing their IP. That is entirely fair and reasonable.
Please remember: Apple allegedly stole their IP, and that’s not proven. There are a lot of people in the world and as such many people probably tend to have similar ideas and sometimes those ideas are really really similar because the way to execute is very limited.
If you need an example: just study any ancient civilization. Bridges, buildings etc.
 
Apple doesn't really do anything innovative either. They generally take existing technologies and look for ways to improve it and make it easier for the general population to use.
That is literally the definition of innovate:

Innovate (verb): make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products. (From OED)
 
No. It's not "that simple". The US has antitrust laws for a reason. I get that a vocal 20% of the members here disagree with those laws, but only when it comes to Apple (and not Google or Microsoft), but agree or disagree with those laws, they exist to protect consumers. I also get that same 20% would be not only be fine with, but would applaud, Tim Cook personally kicking in their front door and taking their dog and first born.
Antitrust doesn’t mean that a company is prevented from changing features, limiting features, or even removing features from the devices it makes.
The issue isn’t that antitrust laws shouldn’t exist (I think they SHOULD exist). The issue is when people (like yourselves) seek to apply them to everything Apple does or doesn’t do based solely on whether you like Apples decision or not. Antitrust has very specific conditions, it’s not some broad hammer you swing at every possible situation.
 
They’re all really jumping on the bandwagon these days since it’s apparently hard to find innovation anywhere in these companies.
Is suing Apple a trendy thing right now? It feels like everyone and their grandmother are out suing Apple nowadays.

It’s easy money. Apple has money and their lawyers are expensive. Most cases are easier settled out of court. Apple pays these companies to go away. Said companies happily walk away with some extra $$$
 
What's sad is that AliveCor actually is better, too.

They've been doing this for a long time. Their a-fib detection is superior because it actually analyzes rates that are typical for a-fib, whereas Apple caps their detection to low pulse rates. AliveCor's algorithms have gotten really good and are approved for more diagnoses by the FDA than Apple's.

Tim Cook talks about reading letters of people's lives he's saved, and then they cut out a competitor that actually has a better and less expensive product. How many lives has that impacted?
Alivecors product sucked for me personally. Expensive accessories on top of the watch and usually didn’t work. Not to mention the subscription required to utilize the watch program. Ugh. They’re non Apple Watch pad May have been better but I didn’t want to cart around another item in my pocket. More like Apple came in, did it better, yes not as feature rich but easier to use, and they lost a bunch of subscription revenue.
 
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I stopped showing my Apple Watch cardio “pseudo data” to my cardiologist after he and his colleagues had a good laugh with me alongside about how bogus it was. The data from the watch didn’t at all look like the data from the outboard unit I wore during the same period for 3 days. Very dissimilar results actually.
 
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Please remember: Apple allegedly stole their IP, and that’s not proven. There are a lot of people in the world and as such many people probably tend to have similar ideas and sometimes those ideas are really really similar because the way to execute is very limited.
If you need an example: just study any ancient civilization. Bridges, buildings etc.
Are you suggesting the Romans should sue bridge builders in 2021?
 
That is literally the definition of innovate:

Innovate (verb): make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products. (From OED)
So a 0.01% change is innovation?

"a new idea, method, or device" Merriam-Webster

I guess it depends on which dictionary you prefer. 🤣
 
That’s how you innovate. You build on what is already there. People are mixing up innovation with invention.
"Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
 
Alivecors product sucked for me personally. Expensive accessories on top of the watch and usually didn’t work. Not to mention the subscription required to utilize the watch program. Ugh. They’re non Apple Watch pad May have been better but I didn’t want to cart around another item in my pocket. More like Apple came in, did it better, yes not as feature rich but easier to use, and they lost a bunch of subscription revenue.
The courts will not care about your personal experience. AliveCor is a real company with real products and real IP. I would not diminish what they have achieved, including "The company is the first to receive FDA-clearance for a medical-device accessory to the Apple Watch."
 
I stopped showing my Apple Watch cardio “pseudo data” to my cardiologist after he and his colleagues had a good laugh with me alongside about how bogus it was. The data from the watch didn’t at all look like the data from the outboard unit I wore during the same period for 3 days. Very dissimilar results actually.
Hence not FDA approved.
 
Pseudo data? From what cereal box did your cardiologist got his papers?

You better read this:

Heart specialist: "The ECG of the Apple Watch is excellent"

Prof. Dr. Veltmann, ECG expert at Hannover Medical School.

 
Is suing Apple a trendy thing right now? It feels like everyone and their grandmother are out suing Apple nowadays.

If one takes a few steps back to see how society has changed over 50 years, there is a trend towards a certain way of thinking.

One way is to ask: is what the party did inherently wrong?

Another way is to ask: does what the party did do damage to my favorite tribe/team/party/group.

If using the first way, if there were lots of law suits against Apple - and each law suit showed up Apple's hidden behavior as being wrong - then the person who processes information like this would conclude that Apple is a rich but bad Apple.

Whereas, if using the other way of thinking, the fact that Apple being dragged into lawsuits is, in itself, is a bad trend because it hurts one's favorite brand of phone, tablet or computer.

I suspect that tribalism - as the prime criteria of how we go about forming our opinions - is becoming the norm in society these days.

I'm not sure if this was the way 50 years ago. And I make that statement as someone who can remember back that far.
 
Alivecors product sucked for me personally. Expensive accessories on top of the watch and usually didn’t work. Not to mention the subscription required to utilize the watch program. Ugh. They’re non Apple Watch pad May have been better but I didn’t want to cart around another item in my pocket. More like Apple came in, did it better, yes not as feature rich but easier to use, and they lost a bunch of subscription revenue.
Yeah, I never used the watch band. I got the pad a long time ago, and I was actually really lucky in that when they switched to a subscription model, they granfathered me in. Prior to that, they stored all of your EKGs for free forever. And because I had bought mine before that, they continue to to this day for free. Not only that, their premium service now lets you replace the pad up to once a year for $19 which I've already done when one stopped working since they consider me premium even though I don't pay. I could be wrong on the year, but I think I got the pad around 2015/2016. I probably would be annoyed if I had to pay just to store the readings. I'm sure they've lost money on me at this point, but it was pretty good customer service to switch me over to premium when they changed their business model.
 
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Pseudo data? From what cereal box did your cardiologist got his papers?

You better read this:

Heart specialist: "The ECG of the Apple Watch is excellent"

Prof. Dr. Veltmann, ECG expert at Hannover Medical School.

Hahahaha! It’s very telling that you would be swayed by an article on the Internet, written by a doctor, for what seems to be a technical website. Sure…..

If you really had skin in the game in regards to your heart you’d be able to quote your own cardiologist.

And actually, I have a very good cardiologist who is part of a team that has published world renowned research. They even performed a bypass procedure for the Emperor of Japan. Not that that really mattered anyway. And no the emperor doesn’t wear an Apple Watch - he has a Grand Seiko, a very limited rare one!
 
If one takes a few steps back to see how society has changed over 50 years, there is a trend towards a certain way of thinking.

One way is to ask: is what the party did inherently wrong?

Another way is to ask: does what the party did do damage to my favorite tribe/team/party/group.

If using the first way, if there were lots of law suits against Apple - and each law suit showed up Apple's hidden behavior as being wrong - then the person who processes information like this would conclude that Apple is a rich but bad Apple.

Whereas, if using the other way of thinking, the fact that Apple being dragged into lawsuits is, in itself, is a bad trend because it hurts one's favorite brand of phone, tablet or computer.

I suspect that tribalism - as the prime criteria of how we go about forming our opinions - is becoming the norm in society these days.

I'm not sure if this was the way 50 years ago. And I make that statement as someone who can remember back that far.

I think that you are right and inherently now people are more likely to ask those 2 questions. I believe the reason for this is that society as a whole grew a collective conscience in the last 50 years.

In the last 50 years women/minority ethnic groups got their right to vote and sit where they want to on the bus, work in the same offices, earn a similar wage (not quite equal yet but quite close to)

50 years ago women had to have back alley abortions and were forced to give up their kids to adoption out of the shame their parents told them they should feel. Beating kids in school for misdimeanours became unacceptable also.

In the last 50 years the world also woke to climate change the huge effect its having.

As you are a person over 50, do you see how asking both these questions was essential and required in order to achieve all these great results? Or do you think these questions were not asked?

I think it may sometimes lead society down a path where it can arrive at the wrong answer. But nevertheless it's every individuals right to ask these questions and it's a companies duty to be robust and honest in its policies and actions in order to stand up to the required level of scrutiny.

Its society's duty to continue to answer and ask these same 2 questions in order to level the playing field for everyone. We need to be asking these same questions of every for-profit organisation, and possibly then one day ask it of the not for profit ones too.

What I'm trying to say in essence is that a lot of the big societal issues that existed 50 years ago were only changed or adjusted because people began to seriously ask themselves these questions. If we all acknowledge that these were huge issues 50 years ago, then how can you now seek to undermine this same thought process? What we cannot do, for the love of humanity, is hamper or deny anyone the right to ask themselves these 2 questions.
 
Hahahaha! It’s very telling that you would be swayed by an article on the Internet, written by a doctor, for what seems to be a technical website. Sure…..
Let’s see on the one hand we have an article by a named doctor whose credentials and facts we can verify.
On the other hand we have a story by some random person from the internet (you) with no credentials or verifiability whatsoever.
Yes it says a lot about a person to value the former over the latter.


If you really had skin in the game in regards to your heart you’d be able to quote your own cardiologist.
No, heresay is far FAR less valuable than published, verifiable, independent evidence.

And no the emperor doesn’t wear an Apple Watch - he has a Grand Seiko, a very limited rare one!
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 
Hahahaha! It’s very telling that you would be swayed by an article on the Internet, written by a doctor, for what seems to be a technical website. Sure…..

If you really had skin in the game in regards to your heart you’d be able to quote your own cardiologist.

And actually, I have a very good cardiologist who is part of a team that has published world renowned research. They even performed a bypass procedure for the Emperor of Japan. Not that that really mattered anyway. And no the emperor doesn’t wear an Apple Watch - he has a Grand Seiko, a very limited rare one!
Grand Seiko for the win! I wear an Apple Watch daily, the GS is for special occasions. :)
 
They’re all really jumping on the bandwagon these days since it’s apparently hard to find innovation anywhere in these companies.
Why would you innovate? The moment that you do then your innovation is snatched by others, sometimes within days.
 
It actually won’t as most of those cheap pulse oximeters available from pharmacies and ebay are not FDA approved and the Apple Watch is. FDA approved fingertip pulse oximeters generally start at $200 and go upwards from there. For example, the Masimo MightySat starts at $380+. FDA approval means they are guaranteed to work in a range of clinical conditions….the more expensive ones generally have better performance in low oxygen conditions which are really difficult to detect due to a sharp drop off in arterial partial pressure O2 below 92% SpO2 readings (it‘s not a linear relationship).

If you want to geek out on it, have a look at the oxyhaemoglobin dissociation curve and how it relates to pulse oximetry.
I have a MightySat and a cheapo Amazon pulse ox as a backup, and when not in motion they give the same results. The cheap one struggles in motion. But I was talking just about pulse, not about oxygenation in the response I gave. The Apple Watch can't get around the physics of the wrist. It can't send light through and read it on the other side, like a pulse ox can on the fingertip. It's measuring a reflection of light, which is why—in my experience—none of the wrist devices are that great. I have POTS so I can have my pulse go from 50 to 120 just from standing up, in just a second. I've never encountered a regular pulse ox, including the cheap ones (and most doctor's offices use the cheap ones), that can't detect that. Whereas with Fitbit and Apple Watch, they are very slow to catch up to changes. They might detect a change after a couple of minutes, but by then if I've sat back down, they missed the whole episode and will read out like nothing changed.
 
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