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Bad swing. If that was the case, then Apple wouldn’t have acted as early as they did by closing the stores in early February. ‘Sales Numbers’ isn’t even a valid argument, Apple has been monitoring the situation closely and it seems the climax of the situation is on the decline in China where they believe it’s safe enough to re-open.
Now, In most areas of China, the epidemic has been effectively controlled. And, more importantly, the areas worst affected by the COVID-19 is Hubei, but there is no Apple Store in this province.
 
Apple will need to depend on China's market to ride through this rough trough.
 
"Coronavirus infection numbers and deaths have been steadily declining in China over the course of the last few weeks, and the worst of the outbreak seems to be over." LOL!!! And who trusts the information released by a Communist Government?
 
I get opening essential businesses to human survival, like food and health related, but it seems premature to open up non essential retail in the originating country with the most cases on record. Not to mention the new cases being reported are probably no where near the actual amount of new cases. Literally seems impossible it’s slowed down that quickly even with the stringent quarantine rules there
 
Been working in HK for the past year. People in China and surrounding regions have went through SARS. The response has been quite different. Large parts of the country were locked down back in Jan and you couldn't even go out to buy groceries at first. Even before the lockdown nearly everyone wore masks. You can doubt the numbers all you want but science doesn't lie. If everyone is quarantined there is no way the virus can spread. Tried telling my friends and family back home to hunker down and sold all my stocks back in Feb. The rest of world especially the U.S. has been way to sanguine about the risks and the government seems totally lost as to what to do. I would seriously worry about the response first before questioning whether Apple is making the right decision reopening stores...
 
Seems premature. All it takes one person to get sick in the wrong place and the whole circle starts all over again, no? It’s not like you are immune once you had it

Not premature. Dynamic. Reported cases go down for awhile, open all the stores. Cases start going back up, depending on how fast and how much, shut everything down again. Maybe a 50/50 or 90/10 duty cycle of lockdowns will keep the hospitals from being overloaded (or no more busy than a normal flu season), and the stores still busy (when open).

Plus everybody will get better practice at these shutdowns for when an even more dangerous pandemic appears.
 
Meanwhile, we have a fraction of cases but everything is shutting down.. People are climbing over each other at Costco for hand sanitizer, water, and toilet paper. 'Merica.
Get back to us in three weeks to see if the curve makes shutting down now the correct move.
 
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If we can assume Apple really, really doesn't want COVID-19 spreading in their stores, the fact that they're reopening is a sign of hope. Unlike online commenters, Apple has a large stake in this decision.
 
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Locked down 60 million people.
UAVs blasted atomized bleach at everything the public could touch.
Ramped up mask production to 116 million+ per day.
Developed a 29 minute test kit for COVID-19.
Basically moved heaven and earth.

Yeah, it's gonna have an effect on containing the virus.
 
There are some variables between China and the United States that make it less clear-cut than “a few months there means a few months here.” China locked people in their homes and fought hard to restrict COVID-19 to the Hubei province to the extent possible. As for the U.S., the virus is already widespread in multiple highly populated states, and good luck convincing the federal government to ever dare try locking residents in their homes. State governments, far more strapped for cash than the federal government, have been forced to take the initiative on COVID-19 in the face of a federal government that didn’t start caring until far too late.

Given the factors unique to the U.S., I’d hazard a guess that it’ll take somewhere around 6 months at least to either fully adjust to a new normal or return to an old normal…and that could be optimistic. The disease’s spread outside densely populated areas is going to be slow but especially painful, I fear, owing to the state of rural health care in the United States.
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If we were actually testing people at the rate other countries are, we’d most likely have far more confirmed cases. It’s a shame that the federal government is more concerned with controlling the narrative than gathering accurate information.

The Ohio Department of Health estimates that as many as 100,000 Ohioans could be carrying the virus.

Despite completely locking down provinces, China had much higher mortality rate than other countries who practiced transparent public education and disclosure, public sanitation measures, and public participation. Although South Korea had a second largest reported cases after China initially, they were able to curtail its spread with free virus screen tests, open information (public alerts), and health treatment. Now they are seeing a plateau and have less reported cases than Italy or Iran. They only have 67 deaths per 7,979 cases vs 1,016 deaths per 15,113 cases in Italy or 429 deaths per 10,075 cases in Iran. Singapore reports 0 death per 187 cases. South Korea even instituted drive-through virus testing stations. Thankfully we too are starting to implement something like this in local level (University of Washington Medical Center is offering drive-thru testing now).

Hope we too can have coordinated public program at the federal level soon here in the U.S. Clearly we don't have to resort to complete lockdown like China to have successful containment. Many open societies like South Korea have previous experiences from SARS and MERS and their experience can be modeled to contain the outbreak effectively.

 
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I'm trying to work out what this means. Is Apple being premature in reopening stores because it doesn't want to miss out on profits? Or does it now believe the virus has got to everyone in the country and susceptible people will have died or developed an immunity?
Im trying to wrap my head around this too. There is no vaccine yet, and peole are said to have reinfected themselves, so i dont’t know how this works.
 
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Been working in HK for the past year. People in China and surrounding regions have went through SARS. The response has been quite different. Large parts of the country were locked down back in Jan and you couldn't even go out to buy groceries at first. Even before the lockdown nearly everyone wore masks. You can doubt the numbers all you want but science doesn't lie. If everyone is quarantined there is no way the virus can spread. Tried telling my friends and family back home to hunker down and sold all my stocks back in Feb. The rest of world especially the U.S. has been way to sanguine about the risks and the government seems totally lost as to what to do. I would seriously worry about the response first before questioning whether Apple is making the right decision reopening stores...
The science doesn't lie, but it's difficult to follow and not very conclusive yet. I think the market is the surest sign. Like how US election polls are useless in comparison to US election betting odds.
 
Anyone know the duration of the first store closing and the last store re-opening?

The Qingdao store was closed on January 28th. It is already re-open (ie, no stores have been closed for the entirety of the last 6½ weeks)
 
Despite completely locking down provinces, China had much higher mortality rate than other countries who practiced transparent public education and disclosure, public sanitation measures, and public participation.

You might want to look into the figures a little more deeply. “Despite” suggests it didn’t work.

The figures are very heavily skewed by the overwhelmed medical system in Wuhan, which is being mirrored in northern Italy right now.

Jiangsu province - 80 million population. 631 cases. 630 recovered, no deaths. There’s no “despite”. It worked.



Most countries still have a long way to go.
 
There are some variables between China and the United States that make it less clear-cut than “a few months there means a few months here.” China locked people in their homes and fought hard to restrict COVID-19 to the Hubei province to the extent possible. As for the U.S., the virus is already widespread in multiple highly populated states, and good luck convincing the federal government to ever dare try locking residents in their homes. State governments, far more strapped for cash than the federal government, have been forced to take the initiative on COVID-19 in the face of a federal government that didn’t start caring until far too late.

Given the factors unique to the U.S., I’d hazard a guess that it’ll take somewhere around 6 months at least to either fully adjust to a new normal or return to an old normal…and that could be optimistic. The disease’s spread outside densely populated areas is going to be slow but especially painful, I fear, owing to the state of rural health care in the United States.
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If we were actually testing people at the rate other countries are, we’d most likely have far more confirmed cases. It’s a shame that the federal government is more concerned with controlling the narrative than gathering accurate information.

The Ohio Department of Health estimates that as many as 100,000 Ohioans could be carrying the virus.

The federal government CAN’T just decree lockdowns. They don’t have that power. It is up to states to do that.
Where the feds have failed big time is the lack of testing kits.
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I think this is just happening to make China (the chinese government) seem better and oh so "responsive". (When they should've been responsive to the first reports of the virus instead of SILENCING them, arresting the whistleblower doctors...) So much blood will be on their hands.
And their foreign minister is putting out tweets claiming the US created the virus and leaked it in Wuhan.

Xi is trying to advertise the superiority of the Chinese model of authoritarianism and wants to declare victory just as the problem is getting worse in the rest of the world.
 
The federal government CAN’T just decree lockdowns. They don’t have that power. It is up to states to do that.
Where the feds have failed big time is the lack of testing kits.

Heh. It’s kind of like the federal government = microsoft and the states are the various PC manufacturers. Sometimes Microsoft can lead a horse to water but they can’t make them drink. Sometimes they’re too slow to respond and support something (new hardware in the analogy, testing in real life) so the manufacturers/states have to hack together their own solutions. Funny in a way.

Then you have the Chinese government sitting pretty with everything integrated like Apple. Not always the fastest to respond, but...
 
Read more on Covid-19 antibodies. I posted here earlier on this. There seems to be some research that indicates there's not a real immunity from survivors.
There is no such research saying that, there have been some reports of reinfection, but in the case in Japan the indication is that the testing was flawed. What is observed and best guess by scientists are similarity to how antibodies developed and responded to the original SARS-CoV. Only recently have an antibody test for SARS-CoV2 been developed, which should help research. https://doi.org/10.1002/jmv.25727

From other coronaviruses including the first SARS there is a long lasting t-cell mediated immunity response. It is reported to be still active in tested humans and animals, so high expectation of lifetime response, compared to more limited lifetime of the antobodies. But how it works it may not stop an reinfection but should very likely cause a much more muted illness.
 
One would hope that this is a timeframe that will be followed everywhere else. China's first case was around New Year's. Now here we are, in March...and it has slowed down big time there and they can start to get back to normal. What it COULD mean...is that while this may be a rough few months for other countries...all we have to do is make it through and we could get ourselves somewhat back to normal. Let's hope, people. A few months. We can do it!!!
The thing is our medical facilities and capacities are not remotely on par with China. We don't have enough supplies for the medical centers let alone the public.
 
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I think this is just happening to make China (the chinese government) seem better and oh so "responsive". (When they should've been responsive to the first reports of the virus instead of SILENCING them, arresting the whistleblower doctors...) So much blood will be on their hands.

Your comment is ridiculous.

1. China was facing a brand new virus, unknown to the human being. When doctors look at the first few cases, nobody knew about the virus. How do you expect government to deal with something unknown. Everything government does will have real world consequences. When you take action without knowing anything about the virus, you are triggering mess public panic. It does nothing good to counter virus. In fact, it will do the opposite. When you have a optometry doctor speculate the virus without detailed knowledge about the virus, you just gonna make things worse. Anyone can go back and criticizing Chinese government, but I doubt you can do better.

2. China did quick study about the virus, shared genetic information to the WHO and locked down the city. Tell me which government has that quick response? Canadian government has been telling its own citizen risk is low and no need to wear mask. Now the PM’s wife is tested positive. United States has months to prepare, yet mess infection is still happening in United States.

3. China opened two field hospital within ten days. Tell me which government is capable of doing this? China is treating all patients for free, yet you are out of luck in United States. The fact that the president of United States tells his citizen nothing to worry about on Twitter is very telling.

It is joke to see how Western government deals with this virus.
 
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