Apps All in one?

oeagleo

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I’m becoming addicted to the Apple Watch, but for me, coming from the Garmin world, the ability to see all of my data, activities, all day heart rate, sleep, and total “calories in/out” interfacing with My Fitness Pal, and have it all on one web page is so totally convenient. Yes, I know about RunGap, and yes, I do import my activities into a Garmin Connect, but there is no way I’ve found to consolidate the sleep data, steps, and all day heart rate along with the activities data. Anyone know if this is even possible?
 

gr4z

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I would be really interested in this as well, as I am thinking of jumping from Garmin to Apple.
 

FunkyMagicUK

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“Health” gives you most of that...

Steps, covered distance, exercise minutes, VO2max, resting heart rate, sleep analysis, resting and active calories, flights climbed, heart rate variability etc.

Only missing I can see is you only get at basic summary info and map of the actual activity data.
 

FunkyMagicUK

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I don't see VO2 Max in Health. Am I missing something?
Click on a date when you’ve completed an activity where VO2max is predicted. From there you can get at the weekly/monthly trend data and view all data.


 

gr4z

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Ah I guess I don't see that as I don't have a AW at the moment. Only my Garmin and then allow Garmin Connect to sync to Apple Health?
 

oeagleo

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I think to get the VO2Max you have to either use a RUN app, don't know if cycle will do it. Garmin Connect won't show unless you have a bike, cycle activity, AND Power Meter. Running over 20 minutes will also generate a VO2Max, I believe. All has to be done with a chest strap, I believe. I've seen it in the Health App, but not recently, and can't find one now.
 

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I think to get the VO2Max you have to either use a RUN app, don't know if cycle will do it. Garmin Connect won't show unless you have a bike, cycle activity, AND Power Meter. Running over 20 minutes will also generate a VO2Max, I believe. All has to be done with a chest strap, I believe. I've seen it in the Health App, but not recently, and can't find one now.
I’m just using an AW4, no chest strap, and running using WorkOutDoors app.

From looking at the “data source” info inside health, the VO2max guesstimate comes from the Watch “post workout” rather than from the workout app, so any app that runs on AW and writes regular activities should result in VO2max calc in Health (although think has to be running or cycling as you mention).

From looking at “all values”, I seem to get a VO2Max after every normal run as far as I can tell, even the laid back recovery runs...think you’re right on the 20mins, as I don’t seem to get a VO2max measured after a run I’ve tracked where I just run for 10mins as a warm up.
 
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gr4z

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My Garmin watch (Fenix 5+) and the GC app both display my V02Max. Strange that it doesn't/can't sync this value to Apple Health.
 

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My Garmin watch (Fenix 5+) and the GC app both display my V02Max. Strange that it doesn't/can't sync this value to Apple Health.
Yes. Especially since they both use First Beat algorithms.

Can you import Apple Watch data into Garmin Connect?
 

oeagleo

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Yes. Especially since they both use First Beat algorithms.

Can you import Apple Watch data into Garmin Connect?
Yes, using RunGap. I think it's like $1.99 for a 3 month "subscription" that will let you import into almost any other format, Garmin, Suunto, Polar, Endomondo, etc, etc, etc.
One thing I have noticed, is that when you import the Apple Watch data into Movescount, (Suunto) it will generate a Peak Training Effect, and actually an EPOC value. Along with an Estimate VO2 for that activity. Pretty slick.

Good, handy program.
 

gr4z

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Anyone know if you can compete in Garmin Challenges with your Apple Watch using RunGap? Some of my family regularly challenge me to stuff, if I moved over to AW I would not want to miss out :) Thanks
 

oeagleo

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Anyone know if you can compete in Garmin Challenges with your Apple Watch using RunGap? Some of my family regularly challenge me to stuff, if I moved over to AW I would not want to miss out :) Thanks
I've not tried it, but I don't believe so. Only the basics actually move over, not the complete .FIT file, and I don't think that Garmin "acts" on the data, just logs it into the proper slots on Garmin Connect. Hopefully someone here will have an actual, tried & true answer, but that's my supposition.
 

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I already use Apple Watch for running (and love it) but a couple of my buddies use Endomondo and have invited to an event.

I tried Endomondo for a 20 km. run yesterday - so a pretty long one - it did fine regarding fast load and everything, but had two issues:

1: Used way more battery than the build in workout app
2: You can select three data fields to be shown - the build in app has more fields (I miss some if there is only three) - one of them with a swipe from the left is music

With the issues above I tried to see if import to Endomondo from the build in was possible - to only use the community part of it, and not the run app itself.

Does RunGap do this? Is there a way without any 3rd apps?
 

ftaok

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I think to get the VO2Max you have to either use a RUN app, don't know if cycle will do it. Garmin Connect won't show unless you have a bike, cycle activity, AND Power Meter. Running over 20 minutes will also generate a VO2Max, I believe. All has to be done with a chest strap, I believe. I've seen it in the Health App, but not recently, and can't find one now.
In my experience, if I use my chest strap (Polar H7 Bluetooth), the VO2max does not populate. It only populates when I do an outdoor run or outdoor walk with the AW's built-in HR sensor. It will also populate when I do an outdoor run using iSmoothRun.
 

FunkyMagicUK

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I already use Apple Watch for running (and love it) but a couple of my buddies use Endomondo and have invited to an event.

I tried Endomondo for a 20 km. run yesterday - so a pretty long one - it did fine regarding fast load and everything, but had two issues:

1: Used way more battery than the build in workout app
2: You can select three data fields to be shown - the build in app has more fields (I miss some if there is only three) - one of them with a swipe from the left is music

With the issues above I tried to see if import to Endomondo from the build in was possible - to only use the community part of it, and not the run app itself.

Does RunGap do this? Is there a way without any 3rd apps?
Bit convoluted but if you have HealthFit (or RunGap I guess) set up to sync your runs to Strava.

What you can do is go into Strava on the web view and set up a connection to Garmin.

Then on the Endomondo website set up a connection from Garmin.

And that’s it...all future workouts that get synced to Strava will also end up in Endomondo.
 

Significant1

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Yes, I know about RunGap, and yes, I do import my activities into a Garmin Connect, but there is no way I’ve found to consolidate the sleep data, steps, and all day heart rate along with the activities data. Anyone know if this is even possible?
HealthFit can export those data, but not found a link to garmin. Garmin can however import this from fitbit and at least with steps, fitbit has a way to add walk as activity by steps. I am fidling with and succeeded in getting steps into garmin connect this way. However import it is a very fiddly and fail on some days, without a clear reason.

If you really want to fiddle with it, you can add some data to fitbit and export it to see the data layout. If you are skilled at programming, you might be able to come up with a HealtFit to fitbit format converter. Notice that fitbit export all cells as text, even if they contain numbers. So when modifying the data I had to start with ' in excel for numbers to stay text.

I am only doing it compare steps with my garmin friends. I have no interest in other health data in garmin besides workouts.
 

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Anyone get rungap to import previous workout data into garmin connect automatically?

I can only import each workout manually one at a time.
 

Significant1

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Anyone get rungap to import previous workout data into garmin connect automatically?

I can only import each workout manually one at a time.
Have you tried hamburger menu->share & export?
Also in settings at the bottom, I have refresh on open enabled, which will update with latest workouts and ask to share, when I open the app.
 

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Bit convoluted but if you have HealthFit (or RunGap I guess) set up to sync your runs to Strava.

What you can do is go into Strava on the web view and set up a connection to Garmin.

Then on the Endomondo website set up a connection from Garmin.

And that’s it...all future workouts that get synced to Strava will also end up in Endomondo.
Damn is that really the only way? So there is no way to use RunGap for example to move runs from Apple Watch Activity to the Endomondo community?
 

ftaok

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Damn is that really the only way? So there is no way to use RunGap for example to move runs from Apple Watch Activity to the Endomondo community?
I just looked at my RunGap app. When you select to export, there's an icon for Endomondo. You have to pay for the SwagBag to unlock the feature though (a couple of bucks every 3 months).
 

xDKP

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I just looked at my RunGap app. When you select to export, there's an icon for Endomondo. You have to pay for the SwagBag to unlock the feature though (a couple of bucks every 3 months).
Going for a run today, so I'm gonna give it a go - Just for the research of it, I'll report back :)
 

oeagleo

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Going for a run today, so I'm gonna give it a go - Just for the research of it, I'll report back :)
Yes, Rungap does easily import an activity into Endomondo. I don't have the "paid" version, this is the Free version, but here's what you get with that:

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Yes, Rungap does easily import an activity into Endomondo. I don't have the "paid" version, this is the Free version, but here's what you get with that:

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It works so thank you for the advice.

Another thing - is the battery state worse with some of the newer updates? Ran a half marathon yesterday and had music (local on the watch, not streaming) for the first half and talked to a buddy for the second half.
Used the build in workout app and my battery tanked pretty hard. Around dinner I had an alarm with “10% left!”

This makes me worry a bit about my upcoming marathon in May. Is it not up for a full marathon - and not even close with music playing?
 

oeagleo

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It works so thank you for the advice.

Another thing - is the battery state worse with some of the newer updates? Ran a half marathon yesterday and had music (local on the watch, not streaming) for the first half and talked to a buddy for the second half.
Used the build in workout app and my battery tanked pretty hard. Around dinner I had an alarm with “10% left!”

This makes me worry a bit about my upcoming marathon in May. Is it not up for a full marathon - and not even close with music playing?
Hopefully, someone else can answer your question, I'm not a runner, so I have no idea about a marathon. Might try to search, seems that there's been discussions on the capability of the watch's battery for that.