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I have 15 Pro Max, but my thumb is suffering from "thumb reach" pain. So I am considering Pro. It's interesting how 17 Pro boasts nearly the same battery capacity 4,252 mAh vs 4,441 mAh.

iPhone 17 Air is intriguing enough that I'm hoping for a few surprises to sway my decision.
If I had to guess, with those numbers I imagine the 17 pro will have better battery life than your 15 pro max
 
What is the point of releasing a slim phone with such a small battery that you need a bulky battery case ?
To cater for different needs of different people? Just a wild guess…

I’m actually positively surprised by that battery size, and I am starting to question if I should have waited for that phone, instead of replacing my 13 Mini with a 16 Pro. I usually go to bed with 40+% left, except for holidays where I sit around doom-scrolling or play Pokemon Go. I do charge my phone in the car to and from work though, but since the inductive charger in my car is horribly inefficient it doesn’t make that much difference.
 
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The takeaway here is the Air will have roughly 1/4 less battery life compared to the Pro. Not to mention it has a larger display than the Pro which consumes more power. It's not going to be a popular model for sure.
25% less than a new model that people haven’t experienced yet. It is 12% less than my 16 Pro, not counting a possible benefit of a newer more efficient SOC. Complete non-issue. This battery capacity is a selling point, not a downside. Trust me, they will tout this as a feat of engineering tomorrow.
 
I can't imagine that this is true at least for the 17 Pro models. I'm not an expert but removing the SIM card slot can't give them SO much extra space to fit a 4k battery in there...?
 
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To put it in perspective, 17 Air has a smaller battery than iPhone 13 but it uses a display nearly as large as iPhone 14/15 Plus. The battery life experience will probably be just a hair better than iPhone 12/13 mini.

In terms of Whr, the 17 Pro has a massive battery, 30% larger than 15 Pro. Will definitely be noticeable.

My 16 Pro Max is usually a 3 day phone for me, at a minimum a 2 day phone. The Air seems to have a battery that is around 66% of the size of mine while having a smaller screen and rumoured more efficient modem and SoC.

Even without any efficiency gains the Air is easily a 1-2 day phone for me which is plenty. Ill probably be completely fine with a 85% charging limit on that one as well.

I just hope they tome the SIM card tray here in Sweden so we get a bit more battery in all models instead of the unused tray.
 
25% less than a new model that people haven’t experienced yet. It is 12% less than my 16 Pro, not counting a possible benefit of a newer more efficient SOC. Complete non-issue. This battery capacity is a selling point, not a downside. Trust me, they will tout this as a feat of engineering tomorrow.

The display area is nearly 10% larger than 16 Pro. Most of the power consumption comes from the display, not SoC. And it's not as if N3P has some magical improvement over N3E.

Apple will try their best with marketing but most consumers aren't stupid. They will look at the single rear camera, mediocre battery life, relatively high price and choose one of the other iPhone models.
 
The display area is nearly 10% larger than 16 Pro. Most of the power consumption comes from the display, not SoC. And it's not as if N3P has some magical improvement over N3E.

Apple will try their best with marketing but most consumers aren't stupid. They will look at the single rear camera, mediocre battery life, relatively high price and choose one of the other iPhone models.

possibly, or some people will get it because they don't care about most of the extra features, and dont use their phone as much as others and thus the battery life will be of less concern to them.
 
possibly, or some people will get it because they don't care about most of the extra features, and dont use their phone as much as others and thus the battery life will be of less concern to them.

And many of those people will just buy iPhone 16e for $599.

You should be able to see how niche of a market the Air is.
 
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The display area is nearly 10% larger than 16 Pro.
But with a less advanced and likely less power hungry screen.
Most of the power consumption comes from the display, not SoC. And it's not as if N3P has some magical improvement over N3E.
That’s why I didn’t count it. If battery life ends up 20% less than my 16Pro, I don’t see it as an issue for anyone other than power users who should be buying the 17Pro anyway, due to the other limitations of the Air. Camera will be the dealbreaker for most people, not battery.
Apple will try their best with marketing but most consumers aren't stupid.
Yes, most consumers are, in fact, stupid. Has been proven an infinite number of times
They will look at the single rear camera, mediocre battery life, relatively high price and choose one of the other iPhone models.
You make it sound like no one cares about thinness. Many will desire the thinness, and deem the rest “good enough”.

Depending on price. If it sits between standard and Pro, many will buy it simply to stand out. You couldn’t do that with a 13 Mini, because it just looked like you had an old phone.
 
You make it sound like no one cares about thinness. Many will desire the thinness, and deem the rest “good enough”.

And weight, the Air is rumoured to be much lighter than the Pro and Pro Max phones.

I’d rather have a thinner and lighter phone and charge it every 1-2 days instead of having it heavier and thicker but charging it every 2-3 days.
 
I didn’t read anywhere if the sim will be present by country or if we will be able to choose between sim or eSIM when buying.
I do wonder about it too. I hope they will at least give the option to get a esim only version.
 
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But with a less advanced and likely less power hungry screen.

If it's less advanced, it'll consume more power. It's cheap to make 120Hz displays and many Android phones support it. What's expensive is lowering down to 1Hz for power savings.

That’s why I didn’t count it. If battery life ends up 20% less than my 16Pro, I don’t see it as an issue for anyone other than power users who should be buying the 17Pro anyway, due to the other limitations of the Air. Camera will be the dealbreaker for most people, not battery.

The #1 reason people upgrade their phones is because of battery life. Every percent counts, not just pro users.



You make it sound like no one cares about thinness. Many will desire the thinness, and deem the rest “good enough”.

Depending on price. If it sits between standard and Pro, many will buy it simply to stand out. You couldn’t do that with a 13 Mini, because it just looked like you had an old phone.

People care about thinness, but not at the expense of battery life or cameras. The poor sales of S25 Edge already proves that.

Nobody is going to buy Air to "stand out." It has a single rear camera. It looks like an iPhone 16e Plus.
 
What is the point of releasing a slim phone with such a small battery that you need a bulky battery case ?
The philosophy of “new” Apple: they have done similar weirdo decisions in the 90s before nearly bankrupting, back then Steve Jobs saved them. Now I dunno who can save them from all of this… Inconsistency all around. By trying to cater to everyone they are not really increasing sales but doing heavy fragmentation and thus getting relatively tiny revenue for each “tier” device, with regular/cheap iPhones probably stealing the bank.

I feel nostalgic about old iPhone. It was mocked by every competitor for having small battery capacity (but nevertheless not small battery life!), small display, single camera, small storage capacity, but somehow this “compromise phone” was enough and still outperformed every contender.

And now? Their iPhone 16 literally lags on it’s original OS, doesn’t feel like it’s a new phone. Doubt 17 will be any way better
 
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It appears that the iPhone 17 Air will have a battery capacity between the iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro. That's not bad, as I had the iPhone 13 Pro and the battery capacity worked well for me.

I will still go for the iPhone 17 Pro, as I don't need a thin phone, which will probably be bigger in screen size
 
It appears that the iPhone 17 Air will have a battery capacity between the iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro. That's not bad, as I had the iPhone 13 Pro and the battery capacity worked well for me.

I will still go for the iPhone 17 Pro, as I don't need a thin phone, which will probably be bigger in screen size
The 17 Air will have a 6.6" screen so the battery consumption will definitely be higher. 😕
 
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Do the iPhone 16 models have different battery capacity for the eSIM and physical SIM models?

I'm surprised Apple would have so many different battery designs for the 17.
 
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